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[farnham]

I've got to agree with Moor-Angol on this one. Nintendo games do have legs, but you are overlooking some serious facts if you think that AC may go on to sell like the DS release.

1) Like Mario Kart, it's a game which has already found success on DS, so has a large fanbase ready to accept the title at launch. There's nowhere near as much word of mouth going into long term sales here.

2) DS/Wii audience, both current and projected, are totally different. Nintendo aims to have a Wii in every home, and a DS for each person. Based on those projections alone, you'd imagine something like Animal Crossing would sell a quarter to a third of the DS numbers, purely because people in the same house will share out of convenience, and in some cases, necessity (not many households are going to have multiple Wiis, for instance).

3) The game is not a large revision. It's more like a console version of an existing handheld game. Some extra events and no doubt a fair bit of extra content here and there, but the essentials are shared.

1. wait what..? Mario Kart was successful since SNES. It was successful even on the GC.. and its successful on the Wii as well
2. Well third of the DS numbers would mean a million seller.. thats not what i would consider a dissapointment
3. that i have to agree with.. but has barely anything to do with sales..

 

[king zell]

These are leaked m-create numbers right?

yes

 

[Psychotext]

Impressive sales for LR there. That's technically the fastest selling 360 game ever in Japan right? (Week 1 anyway)

 

[schuelma]

PSP 61,226
Wii 35,298
DSL 18,580
PS3 17,436
X360 15,474

Pretty disappointing Wii hardware numbers, honestly.

Might be a rough holiday

 

[Spiegel]

03. [PSP] Kidou Senshi Gundam: Gundam vs. Gundam - 266,932 / 266,932 (69.63%)

PSP 61,226

Gundambump.

The end of the year will be interesting

 

[Pureauthor]

Bleh at City Folk sales.

 

[u_neek]

Impressive sales for LR there. That's technically the fastest selling 360 game ever in Japan right? (Week 1 anyway)

I believe Vesperia sold 109k copies in its forst week..

 

[jj984jj]

Impressive sales for LR there. That's technically the fastest selling 360 game ever in Japan right? (Week 1 anyway)

No, ToV did slightly better.

 

[Psychotext]

I have 101k from here: http://www.japan-gamecharts.com/360.php

They're based on Famitsu numbers (assuming they're accurate).

 

[RpgN]

01. [WII] Animal Crossing: City Folk - 305,180 / 305,180 (41.27%)
02. [NDS] Chrono Trigger - 270,868 / 270,868 (69.82%)
03. [PSP] Kidou Senshi Gundam: Gundam vs. Gundam - 266,932 / 266,932 (69.63%)
04. [360] The Last Remnant - 101,543 / 101,543 (68.85%)
05. [NDS] Saka-Tsuku DS: Touch and Direct - 71,661 / 71,661 (49.43%)
06. [NDS] Kirby Super Star Ultra - 55,470 / 418,573 (70.17%)
07. [NDS] Wagamama Fashion: Girl's Mode - 25,275 / 208,706 (92.02%)
08. [NDS] Rhythm Heaven - 24,731 / 1,184,167 (93.51%)
09. [NDS] Pokemon Platinum - 24,173 / 1,941,290 (95.80%)
10. [PS3] Way of the Samurai 3 - 19,641 / 100,687 (90.42%)

DSi 88,843
PSP 61,226
Wii 35,298
DSL 18,580
PS3 17,436
X360 15,474

AC sold well on the first week, but they didn't sell even the half batch of the first shipment. Nintendo is probably preparing it for the next few weeks?

Chrono Trigger got some solid figures. Great!

Gundam is doing well too. How is it doing compared to the other gundam games on the psp?

The Last Remnant is selling like the other Xbox 360 rpg games, it can sell 130k +.

Kirby is hanging in there and doing really good.

Pokemon and Rhythm Heaven are doing amazing as usual.

The fugly game that is Way of the Samurai 3 managed to stay in the top 10 for the second week >_< The hell?

Looks like ps3 is selling consistent the last couple of weeks. I thought it would return to 10k- levels. I also thought the Xbox 360 would outsell the ps3 thanks to The Last Remnant (like TOV). Wii is doing okay and the handhelds are always doing good. Though the handhelds are selling lower than the last years. I remember the NDS somehwere 300k+ and more.

Good week overall!

 

[schuelma]

Just for some perspective on hardware, specifically has it relates to Wii and PS3-

Last year around this time (11/19-11/25)

Wii-54K
PS3-50K


So for those saying "well it's good the PS3 has stabilized"..well, really the sales should be going up right about now.

 

[ksamedi]

I wonder what Nintendo is planning to gain Wii momentum. They released all the expanded audiance titles already (WiiFit, Wiisports, Wiiplay, Wiimusic) and the usual million sellers. But the Wii doesn't seem to be selling to this expanded audiance that much in Japan. Maybe they need to bring some new colors, or a redesign. Or make people understand that the Wii experience is different from the DS experience. But with titles like Animal Crossing City folk, they're not exactly doing a good job of it.

 

[schuelma]

I wonder what Nintendo is planning to gain Wii momentum. They released all the expanded audiance titles already (WiiFit, Wiisports, Wiiplay, Wiimusic) and the usual million sellers. But the Wii doesn't seem to be selling to this expanded audiance that much in Japan. Maybe they need to bring some new colors, or a redesign. Or make people understand that the Wii experience is different from the DS experience. But with titles like Animal Crossing City folk, they're not exactly doing a good job of it.

I'm sure they are banking on Wii Sports Resort for the expanded audience crowd.

They need MH3 to come as soon as possible.

 

[Private Hoffman]

Just for some perspective on hardware, specifically has it relates to Wii and PS3-

Last year around this time (11/19-11/25)

Wii-54K
PS3-50K


So for those saying "well it's good the PS3 has stabilized"..well, really the sales should be going up right about now.

PS3 received a price drop last year around this time. Just another thing to consider.

 

[schuelma]

PS3 received a price drop last year around this time. Just another thing to consider.

I realize that, but that doesn't change the fact that those aren't very good sales and PS3's 2008 seems pretty much guaranteed to be less than PS3's 2007.

And just to be fair, I think Wii hardware is hurting too and is going to be pretty weak compared to last year as well.

 

[ksamedi]

I'm sure they are banking on Wii Sports Resort for the expanded audience crowd.

They need MH3 to come as soon as possible.

I kind of see Wiisports Resort as the Brain age 2 of Wii. But the DS was already selling amazing before Brain age 2 was out.

 

[Private Hoffman]

I realize that, but that doesn't change the fact that those aren't very good sales and PS3's 2008 seems pretty much guaranteed to be less than PS3's 2007.

And just to be fair, I think Wii hardware is hurting too and is going to be pretty weak compared to last year as well.

I'm not saying they are good sales...but PS3 hasn't really had much software release for it at all recently, and it's the same price as last year. It's really no surprise that the hardware isn't much higher than it is. Ditto for the Wii. There's no Wii Fit or Mario Galaxy this year. Wii Music didn't do as well as expected, and Animal Crossing did well, but doesn't appear to be selling huge numbers of systems over there. Handhelds are going to dominate this Christmas. Japan is a weird market, that's for sure.

The biggest thing I'm curious about is the bump it will receive from White Knight Story and how many units that title will end up pushing.

 

[BoilersFan23]

I realize that, but that doesn't change the fact that those aren't very good sales and PS3's 2008 seems pretty much guaranteed to be less than PS3's 2007.

And just to be fair, I think Wii hardware is hurting too and is going to be pretty weak compared to last year as well.

Also Japan got the 20GB/60GB SKU still, which were extremely popular SKUs there. They were discontinued early this year. Some bought them just because they played PS2 games. Now there is no longer that option. I could tell that was the reason because I believe PS3 software sales in Japan, relative to software sales each much, were pretty low (decent amount of hardware, just not much in software sold).

 

[RpgN]

Just for some perspective on hardware, specifically has it relates to Wii and PS3-

Last year around this time (11/19-11/25)

Wii-54K
PS3-50K


So for those saying "well it's good the PS3 has stabilized"..well, really the sales should be going up right about now.

I realize the ps3 isn't selling well compared to last year. But if we pick the data for all handhelds/consoles, the overall hardware sales have declined. Remember how much a ds and psp would sell?

 

[schuelma]

I'm not saying they are good sales...but PS3 hasn't really had much software release for it at all recently, and it's the same price as last year

I'm not really interested in why it's not selling well for this particular discussion. It just isn't, and for PS3 to have a worse 08 than 07 is a pretty poor sign.

 

[Spiegel]

I realize that, but that doesn't change the fact that those aren't very good sales and PS3's 2008 seems pretty much guaranteed to be less than PS3's 2007.

And just to be fair, I think Wii hardware is hurting too and is going to be pretty weak compared to last year as well.

That week Winning Eleven 2008 PS3 was released. But yeah, Wii and PS3 will be considerably down this year.

Gundam is doing well too. How is it doing compared to the other gundam games on the psp?

The best selling Gundam on the psp is SD Gundam G Generation Portable 271,425 LTD

 

[schuelma]

I realise the ps3 isn't selling well compared to last year. But if we pick the data for all handhelds/consoles, the overall hardware sales has declined. Remember how much a ds and psp would sell?

Well here are the rest of last year's numbers for the equivalent period:

1. NDS - 116,694 | 76,084 | 6,153,877 | 20,159,556
2. PSP - 75,027 | 65,609 | 2,385,574 | 6,917,703
3. WII - 54,362 | 36,230 | 2,951,022 | 3,870,665
4. PS3 - 50,564 | 39,178 | 934,310 | 1,391,868
5. PS2 - 14,875 | 8,855 | 682,503 | 20,837,362
6. 360 - 7,117 | 6,525 | 202,358 | 467,060
7. GBA - 82 | 262 | 50,247 | 15,348,326
8. NGC - 44 | 38 | 10,385 | 4,179,853


So actually 360 is up, DS is about the same, and PSP is down a bit.

 

[schuelma]

That week Winning Eleven 2008 PS3 was released. But yeah, Wii and PS3 will be considerably down this year.

Noted. Let's see how much hardware sales rise next week with 09 coming out, and coming out before the PS2 version.

 

[RpgN]

Well here are the rest of last year's numbers for the equivalent period:

1. NDS - 116,694 | 76,084 | 6,153,877 | 20,159,556
2. PSP - 75,027 | 65,609 | 2,385,574 | 6,917,703
3. WII - 54,362 | 36,230 | 2,951,022 | 3,870,665
4. PS3 - 50,564 | 39,178 | 934,310 | 1,391,868
5. PS2 - 14,875 | 8,855 | 682,503 | 20,837,362
6. 360 - 7,117 | 6,525 | 202,358 | 467,060
7. GBA - 82 | 262 | 50,247 | 15,348,326
8. NGC - 44 | 38 | 10,385 | 4,179,853


So actually 360 is up, DS is about the same, and PSP is down a bit.

Ah, I guess I mistook the sales for another period. I really remember the ds selling 300k a week and the psp 200k+ etc. Hmmm...

As for the ps3, I think it received a lot of backlash this year and for a while, the xbox 360 recieved a lot of momentum in Japan. I'm surprised it managed to fight its way up there (even though it is still low compared to last year).

The best selling Gundam on the psp is SD Gundam G Generation Portable 271,425 LTD

Thanks, the newest one is heading to the right direction. It can outsell SD Gundam it seems.

 

[Psychotext]

Ah, I guess I mistook the sales for another period. I really remember the ds selling 300k a week and the psp 200k+ etc. Hmmm...

:O

 

[schuelma]

Ah, I guess I mistook the sales for another period. I really remember the ds selling 300k a week and the psp 200k+ etc. Hmmm...
.

You're probably thinking of December sales which are higher.

 

[Spiegel]

Thanks, the newest one is heading to the right direction. It can outsell SD Gundam it seems.

That number is LTD, not first week. Gundam Vs Gundam will be the best selling gundam on the psp next week

 

[RpgN]

You're probably thinking of December sales which are higher.

Yeah, probably. I'm curious about December this year, so many new releases.

:O

Yeah, it happened often back before (okay, maybe not the 300k a week often, but you get what I'm saying). It was crazy but also fun to watch many people surprised at the same time

That number is LTD, not first week. Gundam Vs Gundam will be the best selling gundam on the psp next week

Yes, I'm aware it's LTD number, that's why I think the newest one will outsell SD gundam anyway.

 

[Psychotext]

Yeah, it happened often back before (okay, maybe not the 300k a week often, but you get what I'm saying). It was crazy but also fun to watch many people surprised at the same time

Yeah, just for fun, here's the top 10 weeks for both the PSP and DS (Media Create, courtesy of Garaph)

PSP
17/09/2007 277,794
31/12/2007 218,234
10/12/2007 184,610
17/12/2007 171,804
24/12/2007 161,370
19/12/2005 161,332
16/12/2004 160,019
13/10/2008 159,816
18/12/2006 138,588
02/01/2006 132,757

DS
19/12/2005 597,628
18/12/2006 485,584
29/11/2004 468,883
12/12/2005 408,770
20/12/2004 396,674
26/12/2005 390,181
01/01/2007 344,878
11/12/2006 319,708
04/12/2006 309,630
05/12/2005 299,328

 

[Phife Dawg]

Pretty disappointing Wii hardware numbers, honestly.

Might be a rough holiday

Yeah, WiiMusic and AC did not really stimulate more people to go out and buy a Wii. This must be disappointing for Nintendo for sure.

PS3 received a price drop last year around this time. Just another thing to consider.

Iirc they had the price cut before the introduction of the 40G. This year they introduced an added value SKU with the 80G and GT5 bundled instead of introducing a cheaper SKU with the 40G.

 

[donny2112]

They were discontinued early this year.

When the 40GB version with no BC was announced last Fall, the existing 20/60GB versions had a sales spike as the stock was being bled off. I believe we had reports that the 20/60GB versions were pretty much completely gone by the time December rolled around. Can anyone who was in Japan last Fall shed some light on that?

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

When the 40GB version with no BC was announced last Fall, the existing 20/60GB versions had a sales spike as the stock was being bled off. I believe we had reports that the 20/60GB versions were pretty much completely gone by the time December rolled around. Can anyone who was in Japan last Fall shed some light on that?

Can't speak to last Fall, but by the time I moved to Japan at the beginning of Feb, there was not hide nor hair of the BC systems to be found, outside of astronomical prices at used shops.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

01. [WII] Animal Crossing: City Folk - 305,180 / 305,180 (41.27%)
02. [NDS] Chrono Trigger - 270,868 / 270,868 (69.82%)
03. [PSP] Kidou Senshi Gundam: Gundam vs. Gundam - 266,932 / 266,932 (69.63%)
04. [360] The Last Remnant - 101,543 / 101,543 (68.85%)
05. [NDS] Saka-Tsuku DS: Touch and Direct - 71,661 / 71,661 (49.43%)

Heh, some more and some less the shipments are in line with Famitsu (from the first day). But Gundam definitely had a second shipment through the weekend, it was 250k (and 20k for the LE) but with that 69.83% it means there are ~385k copies out there.

I'm sorry to tell Prinny it doesn't look like he will really be the hero ever again :/

 

[botticus]

Is the DSL supply constrained, or were CT buyers choosing the Lite over the DSi this week?

 

[jesusraz]

With this new MC leak, does that mean the Famitsu leak has gone forever more? I quite liked getting early numbers for 11-30...

Also, good to see Chrono Trigger doing so well. About 110,000 units left in its initial shipment, right? I wonder if S-E has more waiting in the wings to help push it towards the million mark before the end of December?

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Some Famitsu numbers

PSP Prinny - 17500
PS2 Koihime Musou - 16000
360 Otomedius - 14500
PS3 Mercenaries 2 - 7000
PS3 Motorstorm 2 - 6500
360 Mercenaries 2 - 3000

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Well holy shit Otomedius pretty much killed TFVI dead.

Also did nearly 1.5 times my predicted LTD in the first week. Fucking hell.

 

[Pureauthor]

PSP Prinny - 17500

Huh. February next year is gonna be nuts.

 

[adversesolutions]

Well holy shit Otomedius pretty much killed TFVI dead.

Also did nearly 1.5 times my predicted LTD in the first week. Fucking hell.

higher quality title period. leaderboards are also extremely active. mostly brand new people too so i bet it moved a few systems with it.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

This Christmas DDP: DoJ EX BL will be hitting. I'm going to predict 20k first week.

Ketsui which follows shortly afterwards(little over a month) should do slightly better. Mainly because this is going to be the first real console port of the game(which might not even be much of a factor). Also one could make the same argument about Black Label.

DeathSmilies will top them all though.

Though what was Cave's most successful console port? I'm thinking Mushihime-sama and that didn't even do 100k did it? Hmm..

 

[Fuu]

Can someone with more sales knowledge of Nippon Ichi games tell me what those numbers mean for a spin-off like Prinny?

 

[Busaiku]

Is the DSL supply constrained, or were CT buyers choosing the Lite over the DSi this week?

The DSi is still supply contrained, I think.
But regardless, I believe, Rhythm Heaven GBA is also being rereleased, so that could spike up older DS hardware.

 

[Phife Dawg]

Can someone with more sales knowledge of Nippon Ichi games tell me what those numbers mean for a spin-off like Prinny?

Take a look here. Thanks to Josh. Dunno if it's complete though.

 

[Fuu]

Thanks, that's very useful.

 

[sphinx]

nintendo is a very stubborn company, over the years I have noticed they aren't able to try different paths at the same time.

either it's " we go for the casuals" and neglect the hardcore entirely or " we go for the yearly mario rehashes" and not try anything new at all.

They just can't seem to pull it off at once.

the wii hasn't been the success it was just a year ago in japan and still they place all their bets on stuff like AC and wii music... people NOTICE when you give them lesser games, they can enjoy wii sports, all right, but some damn quality every 2nd or 3rd month is definitely requierd to please not just hardcore but everyone.

I am surprised the wii hasn't lost even more momentum.

Where are the bundles? where are the colors? where are the adventures?

 

[Captain Smoker]

nintendo is a very stubborn company, over the years I have noticed they aren't able to try different paths at the same time.

either it's " we go for the casuals" and neglect the hardcore entirely or " we go for the yearly mario rehashes" and not try anything new at all.

They just can't seem to pull it off at once.

the wii hasn't been the success it was just a year ago in japan and still they place all their bets on stuff like AC and wii music... people NOTICE when you give them lesser games, they can enjoy wii sports, all right, but some damn quality every 2nd or 3rd month is definitely requierd to please not just hardcore but everyone.

I am surprised the wii hasn't lost even more momentum.

Where are the bundles? where are the colors? where are the adventures?

Please inform you better.


I know, List WarzzZZzzz

either it's " we go for the casuals" and neglect the hardcore entirely

- Excite Truck
- The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
- Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
- Kororinpa: Marble Mania
- Eyeshield 21: Field Saikyou no Senshi Tachi
- Super Paper Mario
- Mario Strikers Charged
- Mario Party 8
- Super Swing Golf
- Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
- Endless Ocean
- Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
- Battalion Wars 2
- Super Mario Galaxy
- Link's Crossbow Training
- Super Smash Bros. Brawl
- Harvest Moon: Magical Melody
- Mario Kart Wii
- Mario Super Sluggers
- Wario Land: Shake It!
- Fatal Frame: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse
- Captain Rainbow
- Trauma Center: Second Opinion
- Disaster: Day of Crisis
- Trauma Center: New Blood

or " we go for the yearly mario rehashes" and not try anything new at all.

- Excite Truck
- Kororinpa: Marble Mania
- Super Swing Golf
- Endless Ocean
- Fatal Frame: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse
- Captain Rainbow
- Trauma Center: Second Opinion
- Disaster: Day of Crisis
- Trauma Center: New Blood
- Another Code:R - Kioku no Tobira
- Cosmic Walker
- Dynamic Zan
- Forever Blue 2: Beautiful Ocean
- Kensax
- Line Attack Heroes
- Span Smasher
- Tact of Magic



*we're not talking about quality, it's your opinion.

 

[Psychotext]

where are the colors?

I want my black Wii.

 

[Stumpokapow]

either it's " we go for the casuals" and neglect the hardcore entirely or " we go for the yearly mario rehashes" and not try anything new at all.

They just can't seem to pull it off at once.

which of those two are they doing next year based on their announced lineup of 13 wii games?

the wii hasn't been the success it was just a year ago in japan and still they place all their bets on stuff like AC and wii music...

... but when they placed their bets on AC and WM, it was a success? I mean, I guess they could have shuffled stuff a little bit, but it's not like they could spontaneously develop a punch of big-name games. Their error was in not forecasting a continued need for software at the end of 2007. It's not like Nintendo looked at this summer's sales and then said "Welp, I guess we'll try AC and WM!" Those were already on the docket long before sales ebbed.

where are the adventures?

a first-party adventure title comes out next month.

 

[Spiegel]

*we're not talking about quality, it's your opinion.

Name the Nintendo games internally developed. (just for curiosity)

 

[rykomatsu]

Some Famitsu numbers
PS2 Koihime Musou - 16000

holy shit LOL :lol :lol

Well holy shit Otomedius pretty much killed TFVI dead.

Also did nearly 1.5 times my predicted LTD in the first week. Fucking hell.

The overpriced OtomeStick limited edition bundle selling out close to 2 months before the ORIGINAL (Sept) release date should have been an indication that this title would do pretty well for what it is.