xBerserker
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Gamestop will be hearing from me several times today asking about the MGS Online Beta Key 
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Metal Gear Solid 4 Limited Edition Details - US Version
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Yoboman
Member
I'm sure he has a better idea than you. He's probably been shot by rubber bullets at the very leastrobertsan21 said:
You also need to remember that this is a stealth game, so running out in the open and shooting like an idiot should be a punishment. If you got just plow through enemy bullets, what's stopping it from being an ordinary TPS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_kv4p65q3s
Here's an example of what happens when someone takes a large caliber rifle round in a real world situation (stopped by body armor).
Here's an example of what happens when someone takes a large caliber rifle round in a real world situation (stopped by body armor).
robertsan21
Member
EviLore said:
yea so?
what I am saying is, the animation DOES NOT TOSS snake to the ground it makes him stop, why not just let us keep running but with the "hit" animation on?
it would lead to better and more fun gameplay.
the animation that is in the game now is just as unrealistic as running then just stop and do the "hit" animation then continue to run.
I called my gamestop in cambridge, ma and the clerk says they did not receive the saga dvd yet.
if any can, could you all call your gamestop and see if they have it and if not or if they do just post it here so we can see where and what gamestops are receiving them now.
if any can, could you all call your gamestop and see if they have it and if not or if they do just post it here so we can see where and what gamestops are receiving them now.
xBerserker
Member
My local gamestop open in 30 mins, I'll call around then.
neojubei said:
gamestop is my pt gig 2 nights a week thanks to a really good friend of mine, so i hope i get my saga discs tonight....oh and for all the gamestop haters out there fyi we can order games from different stores and have them shipped so you can purchase ( just got document of mgs 2 for 2.50 yesterday!)
WasabiKing
Member
Don't do this shit, it's annoying, even though I fucking hate GameStop with a passion. Of course, karma will just strike you and force you to be a counter jockey the rest of your life.-xBerserker- said:Gamestop will be hearing from me several times today asking about the MGS Online Beta Key
xBerserker
Member
They usually get there shipment around 10:00 or 10:30, so I'll call after that.
WasabiKing said:
BloodyYank
Member
I pre-ordered the MGS4:LE yesterday, but still no Saga 2.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Jeez, if I want to order this from US Gamestop for delivery in Canada, the price is
$115
A bit crazy, no? They add $10 to S&H because of the size of package (game box + art book I guess) and the S&H for Canada is no more or less than $15.
I would still pay it, but I'd rather know for damn sure this won't show up in Canada...
$115
A bit crazy, no? They add $10 to S&H because of the size of package (game box + art book I guess) and the S&H for Canada is no more or less than $15.
I would still pay it, but I'd rather know for damn sure this won't show up in Canada...
razgriz417 said:
After a mild amount of detective work I have found that this guy lives in Washington, which confirms my suspicion that it's going to be west coast stores that have the disc.
Western GAFers - GameStop, ho! Looks like the rest of us are going to be waiting. I need to see if they shipped yet when I go to work in an hour...
robertsan21 said:
"Yea so?" Rather than continue with back and forth speculation about Mori's abilities as a technical advisor, or what actually happens when people get shot, I provided video evidence. You were arguing that no reaction would be the most natural method, but now you dismiss a pause in MGS4 because it isn't as severe as falling down. That doesn't follow logically.
What MGS4 does is a compromise for the sake of gameplay. MGS4 is not an absolute real life simulator, nor can it be with current technology or the production budget. Regardless, they give a player feedback without significantly disrupting the action. If Snake fell down every time he was shot, that'd obviously be annoying as hell considering the gameplay system allows him to be shot many times (depending on the difficulty level). You're now suggesting they do away with the concept entirely and have Snake do some sort of "ow" motion without losing a step, which arguably skews too far to the other side of realism. A brief moment out of control gives the player another level of feedback, in conjunction with audio cues, animations, and (optionally) rumble, and connects with general expectations reasonably well (badass soldier in futuristic suit still feels it but doesn't get devastated).
You don't like the pause, that's fine. But your justifications are all over the place.
-It's not what would happen if you got shot:
robertsan said:
-It's "bad" and unnatural:
robertsan said:
-Mori doesn't know what happens when people get shot because he hasn't been shot many times, videos of people running and getting shot in the arm prove this, and MGS4 is flawed and unrealistic because it doesn't replicate this whole lack of reaction, and/or does its reaction in the wrong direction:
robertsan said:
And now a dismissal of the video evidence, and an appeal to gameplay concerns because reality has already been thrown out of the window:
robertsan said:
I don't really see the grounds for thinking that a momentary pause is a huge game breaking deal as far as the flow of gameplay is concerned; I'd argue that it's a solid middle ground.
Holding MGS4 up to high standards is a natural thing for all of us Metal Gear fans, but dude, take a breather. MGS4 will have technical limitations and it will have design decisions that you disagree with. KojiPro is going to trust that you as a Metal Gear fan will accept the product despite that and enjoy it for what it does do right, which will hopefully be quite a lot.
Didn't Lost Planet have a lot of getting hit and knocked down which people bashed to hell?
Anyway, if you fell down every time you got shot, getting caught would suck, because when a bunch of people are around you shooting you you would have no where to go (like real life :lol)
Anyway, if you fell down every time you got shot, getting caught would suck, because when a bunch of people are around you shooting you you would have no where to go (like real life :lol)
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Breaking NEWS!
Ok get this. I just called my Gamecrazy that I cancelled my pre-order from. I asked them if they had the SAGA 2 DVD's in and the guy said they got this email from Sony this morning that they are not doing the LE anymore. I told him the whole biz on how it was the pre-order bonus and you get into the beta bit. He more or less said that they (GC) were not getting the LE anymore, he said they are not even taking pre-orders on it. Made it sound like they have already gone through their allocation.
Now, I proceed to call my Gamestop that I had switched my pre-order to and they said it was still on and told them the whole Gamecrazy encounter. He said they are still taking pre-orders for the LE.
From our limited discussion, he made it sound like maybe the LE is more of a GS exclusive or that allocations are running out fast. Seems like the anticipation is getting real hot now. Either way this email that GC got may not be good for those hoping to get the LE through them. Either way, I'm glad I switched over to the GS reserve.
One question for Kagari. The manager told me that they would be getting the SAGA DVD's closer to release or on the date of. Is this just a formal response or does he really not know? Judging by the pics from IGN, this is definitely gonna happen. He just may not be completely clear on the details.
Ok get this. I just called my Gamecrazy that I cancelled my pre-order from. I asked them if they had the SAGA 2 DVD's in and the guy said they got this email from Sony this morning that they are not doing the LE anymore. I told him the whole biz on how it was the pre-order bonus and you get into the beta bit. He more or less said that they (GC) were not getting the LE anymore, he said they are not even taking pre-orders on it. Made it sound like they have already gone through their allocation.
Now, I proceed to call my Gamestop that I had switched my pre-order to and they said it was still on and told them the whole Gamecrazy encounter. He said they are still taking pre-orders for the LE.
From our limited discussion, he made it sound like maybe the LE is more of a GS exclusive or that allocations are running out fast. Seems like the anticipation is getting real hot now. Either way this email that GC got may not be good for those hoping to get the LE through them. Either way, I'm glad I switched over to the GS reserve.
One question for Kagari. The manager told me that they would be getting the SAGA DVD's closer to release or on the date of. Is this just a formal response or does he really not know? Judging by the pics from IGN, this is definitely gonna happen. He just may not be completely clear on the details.
robertsan21
Member
EviLore said:
HOLY SHIT you sir have to much time on your hands hahaha
but I get your points but I just wanted the ultimate experience MGS4 wise, and I always hated the breif stop in running when getting hit by some bullets.
I also wanted the graphics better and otherthings that you read, I also wanted jessica alba to carry my kid but hmm that didnt go so well
Yoboman
Member
I would say MGS is realism with a twistLiK said:like i said, MGS isn't realistic *points to the ridiculous bosses*
Everything is based on real-world properties. Even if you have big mechs and crazy enemies, guns are still guns, and Snake still moves like a person. They've always made a deal of making that aspect realistic
Yoboman said:
indeed, i think that's true for all games. the realistic aspects of MGS involves things like the guns, military terms and locations, equipment and tactical strategy.
but i think that guy was trying to say that Snake should move like he's a real person and react like he's in some simulation.
xBerserker
Member
I just called my local Gamestop store. They got there shipment for today (and they have gone threw it all too) and NO Metal Gear Saga Vol. 2 DVD today. I'm located on the west coast.
Yoboman said:
Not to toot my own horn, but I made that video for gaming-age, and the 720p version is at the bottom of this article.
LiquidMetal14 said:
A. GameCrazy can sometimes be stupid and say false things. For example, the one time I went to one, the idiot there tried telling me that he had seen a secret beta for MGS4 running on the 360 (rofl)... so in other words, the LE isn't cancelled :| The Saga DVDs are coming in April. How else would people get to play in the beta that starts on 4/21 if they didn't? I think whoever that employee was, lied to you D:
B. I'd let you know if it were cancelled too if it were true
robertsan21
Member
Big-E said:
I really tried that but I seem to always get hit, its something with me and getting hit on.....
Yoboman
Member
Awesome, getting the 720p version now. A few things I noticed, you didn't seem to be making use of the threat ring - which is basically the equivelant of the radar for MGS4. And it got you spotted from the side a few times.-Rogue5- said:
Also, you'll be able to choose either side as Otacon says at the start. Though I'm not sure how it works. You seemed intent on making PMCs the enemy, did you ever experiment by taking out some militia instead? There was a point towards the end where reinforces showed up and didn't seem to attack you right off, maybe both sides leave you alone unless you take a side in the fight. Though they may simply not have seen you
firehawk12
Subete no aware
So, my undesrstanding is that Canada might be getting screwed on the LE, but is Canada getting that bonus disc?
Yoboman said:
Yeah, I tried covering all the bases in the article I wrote; I basically ran (not walked) through that demo as the line to play was getting bigger behind me and it was on the show floor. Not only that, but the controls were uninverted and I'm used to playing inverted. I've got some footage of the konami rep playing it the way MGS is supposed to be played, but it isn't framed properly so I didn't use it for the Trial Playthrough video.
In the trial PMCs attacked Snake no matter what...the rebels didn't fire unless you unleash Snake's fury. Maybe that's fixed in the final game... Realistically, though, the war going on in the background is just a set peice -- when you play it properly no one on either side of the conflict should know Snake was even there.
You can't tell from that video (because it was captured off a display and was recorded at 24fps), but the game runs silky smooth and the sound is the clearest I've heard in a videogame thus far... And that is based on impressions from a crowded showroom floor at CES. Whatever Kojima Productions is doing for audio, it's working...
Yoboman
Member
Yes, I was impressed by the sound even in that offscreen demo. Every bullet sounds unique, and you can hear it panging against various objects. Good stuff.-Rogue5- said:
I'm glad it's silky smooth too, MGS3 definitely lost something compared to 2's smoothness. It looks smooth in the vid, at least no frame-drops
A few questions; are they able to shoot through walls like Call of Duty 4? It seemed like the case at some points
The room where you meet MK-II. There's a ladder in there, do you know if you can climb up it (maybe another alternate route)? If you saw anyone attempt
untoldhero
Member
Yea a little Snake figure I believe. Well I hopeDarkpen said:
Yoboman said:
After that cinematic, I didn't try to go back into the room to use the ladder. Hell, I didn't even notice it.
As for shooting through walls, I'm not sure. I didn't play stealthily so I was getting shot at from all over and when you do play full-stealth, they never notice you enough to shoot through walls.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
LiquidMetal14 said:
i can verify that my gamecrazy told me it was canceled tooooooooooooooo wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
distantmantra
Member
The Gamecrazy I stopped by today told me that the LE was canceled, too. One of the employees made some comment about how "other stores" are still getting it, though.
distantmantra
Member
Kagari said:
You mean like GS/EB? That's what I'm thinking.
GalacticAE
Member
If it is store exclusive, let's hope that they don't feel like ruining the cover with the store logo like they did with RE4.
I think FFXII was OK though.
I think FFXII was OK though.
:|
What the fuck did I just walk into? Robertsan finding new reasons to bitch about how to disapprove of how MGS4 is being made?
Jesus, I don't know about you, but after watching that video, I have to agree with Evilore. The whole being knocked down/temporary-invincibility thing seems to be the most reasonable realistic compromise the game makes for being shot.
What the fuck did I just walk into? Robertsan finding new reasons to bitch about how to disapprove of how MGS4 is being made?
Jesus, I don't know about you, but after watching that video, I have to agree with Evilore. The whole being knocked down/temporary-invincibility thing seems to be the most reasonable realistic compromise the game makes for being shot.
Super_Chicken
Member
shagg_187 said:
*sees French*
MOTHAFAKK!! WHY DAMNIT!!? On the other hand, I guess that confirms that it's in stores in Canada? :O
WTF all my EB's deny that these discs/online beta's don't exist!
OokieSpookie
Banned
Super_Chicken said:
They deny..that they don't exist?