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Metal Gear Solid V: Forward Operating Base (FOB)
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giancarlo123x
Banned
None of your resources that you acquire in game are at risk. Think of the FOB resources as a bonus. The only thing you can lose are soldiers so if you want to avoid that keep your security team empty.
Dick Justice
Banned
Security team dropped several levels after a guy who's already invaded me twice while I was offline did the same thing yet again and stole about 20 staff members. What the fuck.
I hear your main MB is also at risk, not just the FOB you create and the staff you appoint there.
Dick Justice
Banned
Why do people keep spreading misinformation? If you keep your security team empty, invaders can just run to the objective and steal core staff members.
I'm pretty sure everybody and their mother preys on those things now, while they are still low leveled, I know I do
creid
Member
If the base is on full alert, the invader can't run through the door until the alert is over.
Yeah what affects the guards' equipment?
Spring-Loaded
Member
Ah, okay.
Damn. If someone can get through my 4/4 platform, then they kind of deserve to take some of my stuff. I wish you could see replays of invasions, or watch live ones (invasions of yours or of others). Must be entertaining.
Pop On Arrival
Banned
not if theres another player defending. I've made mad dashes to the exits before while the base was alert.
Also, I don't know why people are so against FOBs. You'll eventually realize the stuff you lose doesn't really matter. I think I have like 120k online fuel resources waiting to be processed. Absolutely fleeced some guys earlier
best advice when sneaking bases with lots of struts is to not get too greedy during the first couple of struts. the 2nd to the last one always has the good stuff.
bernardobri
Steve, the dog with no powers that we let hang out with us all for some reason
Every time it's invaded.
th4tguy
Member
Thanks, just started watching the videos in OP and it's answering a lot of my questions.
Dick Justice
Banned
Defenders being able to spawn right next to you with a few seconds of invincibility is yet another example of fucking godawful design.
RandomExpletive
Member
Are you talking about people "camping" the capture area by watching their spawn camera, because I guess I agree with you, not really sure how you'd combat that...
Dick Justice
Banned
Pretty much. Took out a guy multiple times, got to the objective, waited for the alert to die down, and of course he spawns there with a ridiculously long invincibility window.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
you can choose to just respawn where you die right beside the guy who killed you too
did that once two nights ago and I had waited until he turned and stuck a few 'nades near his feet... felt pretty darn cheap
did that once two nights ago and I had waited until he turned and stuck a few 'nades near his feet... felt pretty darn cheap
There is some serious balance issues with the mode. I want to like it, but I can't with these issues. I doubt Konami will allow Kojima to fix it/support it past December, either.
Dick Justice
Banned
This and MGO2 just go to show how fucking incompetent KP is when it comes to basic multiplayer design.
Under the security settings, you can see a text-based play-by-play of each invasion on each platform while looking at indicators on the FOB map screen. You see a dotted line move across the map with text telling you a time stamp and what was done (neutralizing guards or UAVs, stealing resources, fultoning guards) with an icon on the map where it happens.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Also I don't think CQC throws should be a one shot incapacitation. They are the weakest CQC option, maybe two throws but not one imo.
Against other players I mean. Against NPCs it's fine.
Against other players I mean. Against NPCs it's fine.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
which is odd because I think they have really great level design.... level design in a MP sense
even guardposts in SP sometimes strike me as very well designed in a defensive gameplay sense, just the logic of their layout.
and FOBs (or Mother Base, indirectly) are pretty awesome in terms of design for MP layout or even asynchronous MP layout. FOBs have pretty awesome level design when you look at the pure design and gameplay within.
all the problems seem to stem from the other elements of MP design being incompetent, such as item balance, respawn, Marking, etc basically almost ruining great tactical level design with chaotic, messy sort of grenade spamming or semi-auto rifle no-scoping deathmatching ;p
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Currently the best way to kill someone in FOB is using the semi-auto snipers along with grenade launcher attachment. Or the Brennan Anti-material rifle as well I suppose since I hear that knocks people down and kills them with a single shot (even more damage than the semi-auto sniper).
Close range you can use a shotgun for the knockdown and subsequent kill.
I am assuming that in MGO people aren't going to be able to just put grenade launchers on their rifles, because if they did everyone would just use that since they are so easy to kill with.
Dick Justice
Banned
Managed to fight my way through a defender and his guards and actually win for once. Defender decided to just camp in one spot while I sniped his soldiers one by one as he repeatedly tried and failed to snipe me, resulting in him quitting. Lost a lot of heroism, though.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Can anyone confirm that if a defender arrives then the control room door stays open even during combat alert?
KOMANI
KOMANI
If you visit the animal conservation you can reverse those demon points (I know you were talking about heroism, I just thought I'd add that if you were cautious on the demon points as well).
Spring-Loaded
Member
What about the semi-auto Brennan/Barret?
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Which one is that? The off-shoot one that doesn't have any upgrades? Haven't tried it but I Don't think you can fit a silencer on it. Although I guess that doesn't matter if you're using it to defend.
Spring-Loaded
Member
It's the "Serval" that's semi-auto. Once you upgrade the Brennan to level 6, you can put that silencer on the the Serval.
RandomExpletive
Member
Wellllllll I'm gonna have to dock you points for knowingly sitting at one of the three spawn-points for more than 20 seconds... With that said, if you had hid somewhere else and he had just sprinted over to you with his invincibility, then yeah, still bullshit.
I'm having good results running the sleep grenade launcher, by itself or on an AR, with the silenced sniper and uragan for knockdowns, shit is ridiculous. Also not sure why anyone would try infiltrating the support platform, its literally the worst designed platform if the defender shows up. All I need to do is sit at the bottom of the stairs with a sleep grenade launcher
A little bummed I can't shout simple commands to my security team, stuff like "re-group," "spread out" or maybe "investigate over here."
Anyone here have trouble with resources when invading? I just ran out of African Peaches. Used too many sleeping gas mines and grenades.
There are definitely some evil ledges on one of the central platforms (Command?) that give you the fence-hop action instead of the hang-off-the-side action. And they're high enough to make you fall to your death. I'm pretty sure it's an oversight by the level designers.
There are definitely some evil ledges on one of the central platforms (Command?) that give you the fence-hop action instead of the hang-off-the-side action. And they're high enough to make you fall to your death. I'm pretty sure it's an oversight by the level designers.
It's a really annoying oversight, too, especially when some of the best places to confuse guards can be around the ledges. Confusing like eight gaurds one by one and fultoning them, then falling to your death right before you start making your way deeper into a base is just frustrating.
I wish the game had a way to let you hop a railing or hang off the side. There are several instances where I've wanted to just hop down but Snake just hangs off the side and I have to press another button to get to the ground.
Maybe a system where tapping the action button (or holding it from before you hit the railing, like how you can hold the action button to quickly climb ledges) lets you hop over the railing and holding the action button within range lets you hang could work.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
I guess I'll have to test that one out then.
Dick Justice
Banned
Competent multiplayer modes make it so that a spawn point is blocked off if opponents are too close by. This is not a competent multiplayer mode.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Yeah, lol. After and invader CQC'd and fultoned me, I was mashing the X button over the closest spawn point, thinking it was locked. Turned out I could respawn there immediately, once the timer ticked down.
Then I grenade laucnher'd the dude in seconds. I think I have a recording.
lazybones18
Banned
Tried out Infiltration and it was interesting to say the least. Few success came without getting spotted (or in my case, headshotting people via reflex mode); most came from just killing everyone. Still haven't had success that involved taking out a defender.
Two of the biggest issues I have so far:
1. Losing heroism when I kill a NPC. Why should I be penalized for killing some poor sob, especially if I get spotted and have to probably waste at least 20+ soldiers before they stop spawning?
2. Not having the ability to pick up a NPC's weapon once they're taking out. This became really annoying when I tried infiltrating a FOB with a grenade launcher and rocket launcher equipped and couldn't pick up the various assault rifles and LMGs that were lying around when I was running low on ammo
As for retaliations, I really don't care about that. I still only have my lone Command Platform built so if they wanna wreck shit there, be my guest. I did have one person retaliate after I failed to infiltrate their FOB so I might return the favor just for fun
Two of the biggest issues I have so far:
1. Losing heroism when I kill a NPC. Why should I be penalized for killing some poor sob, especially if I get spotted and have to probably waste at least 20+ soldiers before they stop spawning?
2. Not having the ability to pick up a NPC's weapon once they're taking out. This became really annoying when I tried infiltrating a FOB with a grenade launcher and rocket launcher equipped and couldn't pick up the various assault rifles and LMGs that were lying around when I was running low on ammo
As for retaliations, I really don't care about that. I still only have my lone Command Platform built so if they wanna wreck shit there, be my guest. I did have one person retaliate after I failed to infiltrate their FOB so I might return the favor just for fun
Exploratory
Banned
Pretty sure I can buy one with all the free coons I've been getting.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Lmao. You're knowingly breaking into someone's base to possibly steal their offline resources/staff. Saying it's unfair to lose heroism for that is the silliest complaint. It certainly could use some balance fixes, but the odds will be stacked against invaders.
The distance on Snake's sonar should be decreased though. I used it against an invader the other day and it spotted him from another platform (a 2/4 one) as he was the only one on there. Two seconds later, I hit him with a rocket as he's climbing a pipe and he tumbles into the ocean...
I just got back from a week's holiday in Sweden, and guess what?
All my fucking fuel is gone.
I have been away from the game, physically incapable of being near it, looking at it, or turning it on, and I'm punished fucking severely.
From now on I'm disconnecting at the end of every play session. (Don't know if that even helps. Might disagree to the Online Agreement.) On my Subsistence PC Mod playthrough I'm going to be doing everything I can to stay off the FOB system.
It's a pity, because I actually like the FOB infiltrations and think it's a good idea. Just forcing this shit like that is really fucking bad. A cancerous blemish on an otherwise mindblowing singleplayer experience.
All my fucking fuel is gone.
I have been away from the game, physically incapable of being near it, looking at it, or turning it on, and I'm punished fucking severely.
From now on I'm disconnecting at the end of every play session. (Don't know if that even helps. Might disagree to the Online Agreement.) On my Subsistence PC Mod playthrough I'm going to be doing everything I can to stay off the FOB system.
It's a pity, because I actually like the FOB infiltrations and think it's a good idea. Just forcing this shit like that is really fucking bad. A cancerous blemish on an otherwise mindblowing singleplayer experience.
Cannon Goose
Member
Tried out FOB for the first time on PC and it's pretty fun! I only had one player come in to defend their base as I was invading and I smoked them with my giant sniper rifle. How fast is the respawn timer for the defender? I'm pretty sure they came back quite quickly and destroyed me with an anti-air gun before some unfortunately laggy stuff happened and my opponent disconnected.
Are you sure it didn't just get processed?