"My friends... You bow before nobody. You salute me."camineet said:damn, I really do NOT like McCain's arrogance in his speech.
All of his "my friends", "my friends", "my friends", and "I will be commander in chief".
ugh.
I didn't like him in the past, I like him even less now.
I hope McCain loses in SC to either Fred or Mike, or even Romney.
only 4 states were approved to go before feb 5th. MI ignored that.worldrunover said:Can someone explain why Michigan dems don't get to vote in the primary? (or get to vote but they don't count). I'm really confused by that.
The state lawmakers moved up the primary. The national parties didn't like that, so they sanctioned our state. Dems docked us ALL our delegates, so the primary doesn't count. Repubs docked us HALF... so those votes kinda count.worldrunover said:Can someone explain why Michigan dems don't get to vote in the primary? (or get to vote but they don't count). I'm really confused by that.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080116/ap_po/primary_wrong_releaseMich. GOP congratulates wrong candidate 36 minutes ago
LANSING, Mich. - The Michigan Republican Party mistakenly sent out a news release Tuesday night congratulating John McCain for winning the state's GOP primary.
It quickly issued a second statement praising Mitt Romney for his win.
"Heading into tonight, this race was too close to call, so we prepared a release for either scenario," state GOP spokesman Bill Nowling said. "We simply pushed the wrong button."
The Associated Press named Romney the GOP winner when polls closed in Michigan's western Upper Peninsula at 9 p.m. EST.
The first GOP release went out just minutes later and stated, "In a close-fought victory, Senator John McCain succeeded again (in) the Michigan Republican primary, winning over a traditionally unpredictable voter base in Michigan."
Five minutes after that, the party sent a release that said, "In a close-fought victory, native son Governor Mitt Romney won an important contest here tonight."
speculawyer said:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080116/ap_po/primary_wrong_release
I am not good with computer. How did this get here? :lol
Yesquadriplegicjon said:http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#MI
Democratic Vote by Gender:
Female: 57%
Male: 43%
Primary Vote:
Hilary: 57%
coincidence??
Tamanon said:What the...was that Joe Lieberman at McCain's speech?
Tamanon said:What the...was that Joe Lieberman at McCain's speech?
Tamanon said:What the...was that Joe Lieberman at McCain's speech?
painey said:can someone clarify just so i can understand.. obama is not on the ballot because he wasnt happy that the vote was today? Thats it? He wasnt happy about the day of the vote?
McCain won the Dem/Indie vote in MI still by a wide margin so no. Romney won via the republican base.Juice said:Almost everyone I know in Michigan is socially conservative / Republican, and everyone I talked to today voted for McCain.
Anecdotal evidence supporting the success of the newsletters telling dems to vote for Romney to inject chaos into the Republican race?
Tamanon said:He wasn't happy that the votes weren't going to count(also, if they don't count, then why campaign)
scorcho said:this is the oddest republican race i've ever seen. romney has the most delegates, but has absolutely zero momentum anywhere. else. in. the. country. mccain's ornery 'maverick' persona plays well in the north, while huckabee will decimate the non-believers in the bible belt.
at least we can all agree now that giuliani's national strategy was a spectacular failure, and an indicator of the man's incredibly, stupidly high risk tolerance. as a new yorker i am most pleased.
Cheebs said:Romney wont extend his lead in SC after tonight I think. SC is about Huckabee and McCain this saturday. Whoever wins that goes into Feb 5th the front runner. I pray huckabee wins. I don't want Obama or Hillary going up against McCain in a general.
scorcho said:this is the oddest republican race i've ever seen. romney has the most delegates, but has absolutely zero momentum anywhere. else. in. the. country. mccain's ornery 'maverick' persona plays well in the north, while huckabee will decimate the non-believers in the bible belt.
at least we can all agree now that giuliani's national strategy was a spectacular failure, and an indicator of the man's incredibly, stupidly high risk tolerance. as a new yorker i am most pleased.
scorcho said:this is the oddest republican race i've ever seen. romney has the most delegates, but has absolutely zero momentum anywhere. else. in. the. country. mccain's ornery 'maverick' persona plays well in the north, while huckabee will decimate the non-believers in the bible belt.
at least we can all agree now that giuliani's national strategy was a spectacular failure, and an indicator of the man's incredibly, stupidly high risk tolerance. as a new yorker i am most pleased.
i still remember when giuliani first tried flipping on abortion early last year. after romney called him out on it, rudy defiantly affirmed his liberal social record while smugly maintaining his national lead in polls. pundits bleated like sheep that he was changing decades of republican politics and identity and that we were in the dawn of the new era.Mandark said:I'm continuously amazed by Giuliani's complete inability to effectively pander. It's not for lack of trying.
:lol i'm so happy that I post on a message board where someone would make this joke.Tamanon said:DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN!
Deku said:39% voted uncommitted in the democratic primary. I thought I read somewhere there was a 15% threshold to cross for uncommitted voters and it had something to do with the delegates. Can anyone clarify?
No, they need new policies. Bush had a GOP congress and GOP senate for much of the time and pretty much got most policies that he and the GOP wanted passed.Mandark said:I think the shoddy state of the GOP primary field is a function of how spectacularly the Bush presidency has failed.
If Bush were still polling well and the Republicans had Congress, there'd be a healthy field of credible, if not inspiring candidates, and enough party discipline to get behind an early front-runner.
But the state of the party and its association with Bush has basically knocked out George Allen, Rick Santorum, Bill Frist, and Jeb Bush out of the picture. The GOP suddenly needs to find someone who isn't associated with the Bush admin, but who still favors its policies (which are the policies favored by a majority of Republican voters).
scorcho said:Mandark - you really think that 2008 is going to be comparable to the realignment that took place in 1968? that election signaled 20+ years of conservative ideological dominance in this country.
grandjedi6 said:After the 15% threshold the state would also send "uncommitted" delegates to the Democratic Convention in August, instead of delegates specifically for Obama or Hillary. However since Michigan gets 0 delegates, this doens't really matter
Uh oh . .Deku said:RFK and MLKJ getting assassinated didn't hurt either!
Deku said:Ah ty. The BBC story I read made a mention of this and noted somehow helping Obama and Edwards play a role in the convention. But that makes no sense if they're not getting any delegates to begin with.
Have you heard what he says these days? Quite a different tune.Mandark said:Trivia! When Kevin Phillips was pushing the Emerging Republican Majority back in the late 60's/early 70's, he said the demographic shifts would tilt the country towards the GOP through 2006. True story.
Mandark said:speculawyer: I meant in terms of winning the primary. The big dilemma is that the criteria for winning the primary (loyalty to movement conservatism as embodied by Bush) conflicts with the criteria for winning the general (showing that you're not Bush).
Recent polling (but before primaries started) suggests they would pretty much all go down against Obama.Synth_floyd said:I hope Romney wins the GOP nomination. He's clearly the weakest of all the major candidates. Him and Guiliani. They'd go down so hard against Obama.
I stood next to Governor Romney for a moment or two on the stage (a sign in itself of how small-scale and low budget the Republican effort is at the moment, compared with the big presidential-style hoopla surrounding Hillary and Barack) and witnessed the kind of incident that makes you wonder whether this man has what it takes to make voters like him. A girl (she might have been 14) was calling out: "Mr Governor, I had lunch with your cousin."
President Bush would have squeezed her hand and brushed her off - any decent campaigner would have - but Mitt Romney simply froze her out, did not answer, until she persisted to the extent that he had to say: "Great." Or words to that effect.
It sounded grudging and odd; and it did not need to. Of course, that doesn't mean he would be a bad president or that he is a bad man - but on a "rope line" he sucks, as they say here.
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grandjedi6 said:No. Obama, Richardson, Edwards and Biden were not happy about Michigan bumping up their primary date. So they asked to be removed from the ballet. The only reason Dodd and Hillary did not follow was that they felt it was useless step since the delegates weren't being counted anyways.