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The South Carolina Primary & Nevada Caucuses |Feb 20, 23, 27| Continuing The Calm
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Don't recognize the poster, but it has to be sarcasm. There's no way
The don't attach your rhetoric to the same inane ideas on the level of 'shillary'
There is no evidence that suggest she will install a 'corporatist' on the bench.
Where are the other states with greater discrepancies? You've still utterly failed to name so much as one.
Pick up a fucking dictionary. They're listed under 'm' and 'l'
That's what they said. The poster regrets it and admits it was in poor taste.
Look what is quoted. I would assume it's facetious.
crimsonspider89
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It isn't. Wish it was.
African Americans during the slave years were treated like animals and were breed the same way.
Tried to breed out the "bad" traits such as intelligence.
However, since the civil rights movement which was the real ending of slavery nationwide with laws being passed that prevent the abuse of minorities the intelligence of African Americans is on the rise.
Where the stereotype of dumb blacks that is present in American society stems from.
metalslimer
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IM DONE
edit: You know what, I'm not even touching this.
Angelus Errare
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We are officially through the looking glass.
eBay Huckster
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And here I thought this thread's wildest ride would come last night.
Well, Mao was a leftist. I think tyrants like him did more to poison the socialist cause than the Red Scare could have ever hoped to do.
What the fuck? Even if that wasn't false, Jesus Christ
SHiet, this kind of thinking isn't allowed here for a reason.
California? Assuming this is accurate.
Arkansas looks to be higher as well.
I'm not sure where Vermont is located relative to every state. I just looked at states at the top of the list.
If this is a joke it is a bad one and you should feel bad.
eBay Huckster
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California? Assuming this is accurate.
Yep, it's accurate. One of California's worst failures as a state.
(Though that's still only 4.5x!)
Manmademan
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Good LORD
I never said we should focus only on police brutality. In fact, I specifically mentioned Trayvon Martin and Renisha McBride, who were not murdered by police.
You asked how Sanders' economic strategy would benefit white people more than black people. I was responding. White people with wealth have more privilege and power in America than black people with the same wealth -- up to a certain threshold where celebrity becomes a factor. Therefor raising the economic status of all people will benefit white people more than it benefits black people. This is why it might not be the most important issue in America to all people, as you suggested.
You said that the tenants of white supremacy are in some way based on the economic status of black people. Are we under the impression that Dylann Roof murdered a state Senator because he thought he seemed poor? White supremacy, I think it would be much more accurate to say, is at least partially rooted in white poverty. That I would agree with. White supremacy is at least partially derived from a competitive atmosphere perpetuated by those in positions of power to find the other equally fucked over person to blame for your situation instead of the ones genuinely responsible. That I could agree with.
But simply focusing on economic disparity will not solve these culturally ingrained issues. How will raising everyone's economic status help gentrification, for example?
And to your point about Sanders: I find it troubling that, while he does speak about racial inequality, I can't recall a single time where he responded to such a question at a town hall or debate without then pivoting back to the same line about more people in jail because of weed than Wall Street.
The problem isn't that he talks about things other than police brutality, but rather that he feels all things must somehow connect back to economic inequality, as though it were the essential root to all that ails our country. This isn't to say that economic disparity isn't important. But to suggest that it must be equally important to everyone -- or that it will benefit everyone equally -- is either supremely disingenuous or comes from a fairly limited perspective.
edit: Jesus christ, I just looked up thread.
brainchild
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Wow. I...just wow.
California? Assuming this is accurate.
Arkansas looks to be higher as well.
So it's just math you're not comprehending here, check.
California is showing a black incarceration rate of 4.5 times the blacks in its general population.
Arkansas is less than 3 times.
In this, outdated might I add because Vermont has gotten even worse since this, link Vermont is incarcerating blacks at a rate of NINE FUCKING TIMES their representation in the general population.
For perspective, to match this Cali would have to have a prison population that was 54% black. Arkansas would have to be 135%.
EDIT: Sorry for the shot, despite your name you're not the wall I've been bashing my head against for over an hour.
BlastProcessing
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I TRULY HATE THIS ELECTION
I've been reading the thread the last few days but my god did it go down below the depths of a sewer. What the hell? There's passionate if heated disagreement about candidates and then there's... what happened many posts above.
Really? I love it. Let all that dirty laundry air on out.
plagiarize
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You guys are maniacs if you think America was less liberal in 2001 than it was in 1993. Maniacs I tell you. Yes many of his positions were centrist. But they were centrist after three Republican terms.
If America was, say, three steps to the right when Bill came into power, and it was one step to the right when he left power, sure you could say he 'kept' the country center right, but he left the country further to the left than it was when he was elected.
No he didn't leave it a liberal utopia, but he left it better in more metrics than he left it worse.
If America was, say, three steps to the right when Bill came into power, and it was one step to the right when he left power, sure you could say he 'kept' the country center right, but he left the country further to the left than it was when he was elected.
No he didn't leave it a liberal utopia, but he left it better in more metrics than he left it worse.
User 463088
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I just....how....
Are we not....
Never mind.
Are we not....
Never mind.
SpideySenses
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"Feeling the Bern" is going to mean something entirely different if his (worst) supporters keep this up.
Cesare Borgia
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I wonder if this is the next stage of Sanders delusion. First he was going to win, now when Clinton wins she should face a primary during her re-election campaign if she doesn't accomplish x,y,z.
The reality is that the best case 2016 scenario for democrats is winning the WH and re-taking the senate. Meaning it would be impossible for either Sanders or Hillary to accomplish most of the promises they've made. This is largely a status quo election for democrats no matter what Sanders says: whichever democrat wins will essentially only be able to maintain the status quo of the second term Obama administration - protecting Obamacare, nominating Supreme Court and federal judges, executive orders, defending DAPA, etc.
Which means that I can buy the idea that Hillary will disappoint many people, especially if the economic takes a dip. But it's laughable to suggest Hillary should be primary'd if she doesn't accomplish things that she has no means of accomplishing.
brainchild
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I don't disagree with you that Sanders typically pivots back to economic inequality on a number of issues (including race), but I disagree on the interpretation of that pivot.
I believe he pivots back to economic inequality because he's ultimately tying his responses into how he will personally be able to address those issues as president, not because he thinks that solving economic inequality will solve racism.
The true root of racism and bigotry is something that no one can change, nor can it be solved (even Hillary says this), so as a politician running for president, Bernie responds to the issues of racism by focusing on his ability to address certain aspects of racism.
Personally, I believe that if Bernie was already famous, he wouldn't rely on his current strategies as a response to racism, but since he's not well known, he seizes every opportunity of exposure to talk about his platform and what he can do on his end.
User 463088
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I mean, to be fair, he's only losing AA voters in Michigan by 54 points at the moment. It would be physically impossible for him to do worse among AA voters over 65. I mean...literally, he couldn't do worse if he tried.
brainchild
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Well he's not necessarily wrong. Black people in the southern states don't necessarily speak for all black people in the United States.
Let him dream.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THIS THREAD O_O
Why does Sanders thinks he'll do better in other states with the AA community? He didn't put forth a rational or reason in this article that you linked. Is he just doing wishful thinking?
Sure but what's different about them that might make them favor Sanders? If he has a hypothesis he should put it forth. I'm genuinely curious.
Why does Sanders thinks he'll do better in other states with the AA community? He didn't put forth a rational or reason in this article that you linked. Is he just doing wishful thinking?
Sure but what's different about them that might make them favor Sanders? If he has a hypothesis he should put it forth. I'm genuinely curious.
Think about it. Trump and the GOP are taking the republican party so far to the right that anyone who seems even remotely moderate and sane will be seen as a liberal.
Likewise now you have people saying Obama isn't a true liberal/progressive. Even though he is center left.
At this stage in American politics you have to be seen as Center left or right. Maybe in the next 10 years America will be ready for a far left candidate but not right now.
Gordon Shumway
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They're smarter?
Oh..and I thought Crimson_Gold had gone nuts for a minute lol. Just keep reading "Crimson" and didn't realize it was another poster.
They aren't being actively ravaged by the republican party so they can play a little looser with their votes. As a black man born in NOLA, raised in Texas, who is now currently residing in California, Bernie just said one of the few things that would guarantee my vote for Hillary. Thanks for reminding me about what's really important, Bernie!
I mean, I'm sure he'll perform better in those states than the blowout of last night, but this is quite the spin.
User 463088
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The problem is that a lot of the issues Bernie is championing just don't resonate outside of his core group of supporters. I believe Bernie has lost the "who best handles healthcare" question in every state except New Hampshire. He's not winning the messaging race, regardless of the race of the voters. He was also destroyed on the "Do you trust Bernie Sanders to handle an international crisis?" question last night. I think part of this is his laser focus on his two or three major issues. That's respectable, but he really, really needed to branch out before now.
His arguments, for whatever reason, just aren't making inroads where he needed to.
His arguments, for whatever reason, just aren't making inroads where he needed to.
Genes determine your skin colour... and I'm pretty sure skin colour has something to do with racial inequality. If one day the majority of people are mixed race, then racial inequality should be a thing of the past, because all our genes would give a similar skin colour
As for the other items in my list, a poor upbringing (e.g when parents teach their children to use racial slurs) will cause more racial inequality. A poor education (e.g when teachers pretend the civil war wasn't about slavery) will cause more racial inequality. A poor culture (e.g when police disproportionately arrest minorities) will cause more racial inequality. A poor media (e.g when outlets like Fox News compare BLM to the KKK) will cause more racial inequality.
Pamplemousse
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Plenty of Americans are ready for a far left candidate. It's just that a certain segment of the population isn't "ready."
I think there were generational social and economic changes that might have started moving America to the left at the end of the 90's, but those changes weren't reflected in American politics yet. American politics were still very right wing at the end of Clinton's term. The Republicans controlled both branches of Congress, and they were more conservative than previous Republicans. Al Gore had to pick Joe Lieberman as a running mate. Clinton held back some of the most extreme stuff the Republicans wanted to do, but he made a lot of compromises to do it. The country didn't really start to shift to the left until the 2005-2006 period.
BlastProcessing
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The Technomancer
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Guys please, leave the genetics thing alone, there's not going to be any good way to defend it
Whats crazy is this shit was predicted last spring, and him and his team did nothing to head it off.
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