Vicetrailia
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Yup, companies run too lean.
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Millennials Are to Blame for America's Vacation Problem (Travel+Leisure)
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Yup, companies run too lean.
Things are expensive...I really don't see the argument here. The cost of living is steadily going up, in order to live comfortably you've got to make some sacrifices. As a "millennium" I don't want to be in my parent's current situation, working to the bone and having less than $100 in their bank accounts until pay day because of shit they have to pay for.
My mom works 3 jobs and my dad works 12 hours a day and they still don't have "play" money cause expenses is always popping up. My dad just got off a little over a thousand cause we needed a new air conditioner for our house. Before that he needed to pay for some new wheels for my SUV, pay the mortgage and pay for a trick out of state for a funeral of a family member. He also doesn't get the benefits that me and my mother get from out job so he has to pay for his health benefits as well.
I literally just got my first paycheck on Friday and I already spent about $100 of it SPECIFICALLY for my job. I doubt I'm getting reimbursed for it but it's something completely necessary for me to do my job effectively, and judging by how quickly the last person in my position was let go, I'm not trying to lose this job. Even my Mom, who was born in 1955 always told me to not take my sick days even if I need them cause if your employer sees that you can muscle though pain for the sake of your job then you'll most likely be someone they'll keep and rely on in the future. So far it's worked out well for her, with her taking up two leadership roles in two of her jobs and a basically only works two days a week for her other job, so her work mentality really worked in her favor.
My mom works 3 jobs and my dad works 12 hours a day and they still don't have "play" money cause expenses is always popping up. My dad just got off a little over a thousand cause we needed a new air conditioner for our house. Before that he needed to pay for some new wheels for my SUV, pay the mortgage and pay for a trick out of state for a funeral of a family member. He also doesn't get the benefits that me and my mother get from out job so he has to pay for his health benefits as well.
I literally just got my first paycheck on Friday and I already spent about $100 of it SPECIFICALLY for my job. I doubt I'm getting reimbursed for it but it's something completely necessary for me to do my job effectively, and judging by how quickly the last person in my position was let go, I'm not trying to lose this job. Even my Mom, who was born in 1955 always told me to not take my sick days even if I need them cause if your employer sees that you can muscle though pain for the sake of your job then you'll most likely be someone they'll keep and rely on in the future. So far it's worked out well for her, with her taking up two leadership roles in two of her jobs and a basically only works two days a week for her other job, so her work mentality really worked in her favor.
Davey Cakes
Member
I have an answer for that
Yes, and NOBODY CARES.
Our generation was dealt a bad hand and we're just trying to make due, but society and the media continue to paint us as entitled and lazy. We can't win.
Our entire social net is based on old people (Baby Boomers) being supported by healthy young people (Millenials), then Millenials being subsidized by the following generation.
Only Millenials are being crushed into an unhealthy state and can't afford to have the next generation.
Baby Boomers are the worst generation.
Yeah idk what this article is on about. I'm a software engineer in the US, I have 4 weeks paid vacation and almost never work overtime. I think maybe millennials are overestimating how much anyone else gives a shit about their vacations.
In this situation, I would inform my employer that I refuse to be a bottleneck. Then, let them make the decision between giving in to my reasonable, pragmatic demands or really taking a risk by firing me and trying to find someone simultaneously as qualified and more willing to fall on a pike for them.
Maximus.
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They are too lazy to take vacation. The worst kind of lazy.
This times a million. All of us saw what happened in 08. Most of us have a friend or several who have been laid off do to downsizing. I'm lucky enough to be a fairly strong company, and that still sits in the back of my mind.
entremet
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This is all Western societies though. It's why falling birthrates are a concern in places like Japan. Our social safety nets are based on math that assumes a growing population, which then subsidizes an older one.
But with a falling population, the next generation isn't generating enough tax revenue to support the larger older one.
Baby boomers didn't do this intentionally. It was mostly second order effects.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Pretty much, and it literally doesn't benefit you as a work martyr. You don't get promoted or anything else, you just get dumped on even more than the rest because they know you're happy to soak it up.
entremet
Member
They roll over, but there's usually a limit.
Depends on the employer and state. Some let you roll over up to a limit some are use it or lose it. Pto is recorded as a liability for companies so they don't want people to have too much of it on the books.
KeyBladerXIII
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Companies and employers don't care about health, they just care about work output and if someone burns out there's a thousand other people clawing at the door who need a job.
Just unscrew the busted light bulb, toss it, and put a new one in.
Vicetrailia
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Depends on the job. "Roll over", "pay out", and "use it or lose it" are the most common that I see.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Uhhh, depends on what you do in the US. I'm only 2.5 years in and I get 20 vacation days, 3 personal days and 6 sick days per year. I mean I guess you get overtime but I don't know how much you get paid either but I guess I live a rough life that you could never endure?
CosmicQueso
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"Millennials are to blame for X" articles must drive some serious Internet traffic.
Davey Cakes
Member
Me too. I would always tack on a day or two to a long weekend. I wouldn't take a full week off. Some people would take two weeks at once but that's all of the allotted vacation time. I'd rather parse the days out then go all at once. Not like I ever had the money to take a week or two-week long trip anyway.
It's kind of funny. I'm talking about 10 days like it's some crazy amount. Then you have people coming in talking about 30 days of PTO per year, which blows my mind.
I get 2 weeks a year now of just vacation days since I've been with my company for 2 years now. I'm taking a vacation next year that is going to further push me into debt. Won't be able to move out for a long while, but at least I can cross going to Japan off my bucket list.
Also I'm currently on vacation now, but just staying in my house.
Also I'm currently on vacation now, but just staying in my house.
That's exactly what will happen. I'm fully expecting medical problems relating to stress, overworking and fatigue to boom in 20 years or so. Couple that with a growing population, the potential rise in anti-biotic resistant diseases and less government funding and we've got a recipe for disaster. Gonna be fun.
Depends on the company. Sometimes it rolls over, but usually there's a limit to how much you can accrue. Sometimes it doesn't roll over and you lose it. Sometimes if doesn't roll over but you get equivalent pay for it.
In reality most people won't be working like they do now in 20 years.
The first big test is going to be around 2023 when autonomous cars are mainstream and 3.5 million truck drivers are out of work. It is the largest profession in 29 states and going to be one of the first destroyed by automation.
Yeah, automation will kill a lot of jobs but it definitely won't kill those issues. Society isn't just start going to let people off, after all "they picked a job that robots can do so they're worthless."
HeisenbergLannister
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Old people blame the younger generation for all the world's problems?
There's a new concept.
There's a new concept.
andthebeatgoeson
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That's a really sparse article. I guess they know no one wants to read an in depth critique of the issues.
I'm gen X but I've had two bosses that don't a good job of making it clear and unstressed to take vacation. There is a significant component that comes from older generations that make people not want to take vacations.
I'm gen X but I've had two bosses that don't a good job of making it clear and unstressed to take vacation. There is a significant component that comes from older generations that make people not want to take vacations.
All these "millennials are killing XXX" articles make sense when you realize its just click bait and their target audience for these articles is millennials.
Aren't they supposed to be the most narcissistic generation? Of course they would love to read how much they are affecting/killing/causing these other issues.
Aren't they supposed to be the most narcissistic generation? Of course they would love to read how much they are affecting/killing/causing these other issues.
I know this feeling. :/
It's more of a sheer volume of news stories that blame millenials for all the troubles in the world. Wasn't meant to be offensive.
If you get chewed out again, tell them: "I told you before: This is why you should let me train someone to be a back-up."
Mineshaft_Gap
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This is enfuriating.
People aren't work martyrs because they choose to be. They're doing it because they don't have the same opportunities that the baby boomers enjoyed before working to dismantle.
People aren't work martyrs because they choose to be. They're doing it because they don't have the same opportunities that the baby boomers enjoyed before working to dismantle.
Delusibeta
Banned
Smug European here. I've got 20 vacation days for this calendar year, and I've already used half of them and I've already booked off Christmas week. Plus, there's the ten public holidays, the eighth of which is tomorrow.
I worked a job that had use it or lose it. I blocked off a week and change at the end of the year. Then they came in mid December, thew me on an emergency project due Jan 1, and threatened me if it wasn't done. And refused to roll over my leave. I was blessed to get it done without losing time but I had to work like a dog and it was not fun.
Vicetrailia
Member
"We can't do that, we must keep costs low."
"You're only as valuable to me as much as you are here. I don't need people who aren't here no matter who you are."
Skellig Gra
Member
I'm about to take a vacation to the UK. I know I'm one of the lucky ones thanks to nice IT salaries.
Now government jobs, it's an endless bounty. All my relatives with gov jobs have like 90+ days stashed away.
My company lets you roll over the amount you would accrue in a calendar year. So say you get 15 days. You could carry over that to next year and have 30 days but if you don't take any time off that year you lose the extra 15 and stay at 30 for the next year, etc.
Now government jobs, it's an endless bounty. All my relatives with gov jobs have like 90+ days stashed away.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
This American will take off every day they will give me. I don't give a shit what happens when I'm not there. That's not my responsibility. Its theirs to make sure they can suitably replace me. I feel sorry for people who give in to that kind of pressure.
This is a world where there are a lot of always online services that need to be maintained, packages that need to be delivered within hours, software that needs to come out on time with dlc and support coming soon.... Everything is more on demand and now requires more continuous work.
now the jobs that are like this... Do they hire enough staff to accurately allow people to take their vacation days? Or do they save money and become more profitable by implying to their few employees that if they aren't putting in the work they will find someone else who can?
I'd bet one vacation day this is less about a generations attitude on life and more about the types of jobs out there these days.
now the jobs that are like this... Do they hire enough staff to accurately allow people to take their vacation days? Or do they save money and become more profitable by implying to their few employees that if they aren't putting in the work they will find someone else who can?
I'd bet one vacation day this is less about a generations attitude on life and more about the types of jobs out there these days.
hodayathink
Member
I literally have a part time job in a grocery store where I'm replaceable at the drop of a hat and nearly everyone can do my job, but I get three week's paid vacation because I have a great union and I make sure to take each and every day of it. Done more than a couple "staycations" as well. You can pry my vacation days from my cold, dead hands.
Unknown Soldier
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They'll just hire those drivers back as ride along guards because autonomous freight vehicles will be prime targets for crimes.
7DollarHagane
Banned
ah whatever, most people in most jobs screw around half the day anyway or are on their phones/facebook.
Millenials have the worst efficiency.
peteykirch
Member
My boss was the worst with this. You'd get the impression you would be punished for taking vacation that you earned.
It wasn't uncommon for someone if they took vacation to come back and find they were now working 10-12 hour days, and the weekend as well, even if they never work the weekend anyway.
It wasn't uncommon for someone if they took vacation to come back and find they were now working 10-12 hour days, and the weekend as well, even if they never work the weekend anyway.
Mr. Lemming
Member
Well that's a good way to set youself up for a nasty surprise when you find out everyone is replaceable and your company and job do not have any loyalty to you.
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