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Mother (Darren Aronofsky) - early reviews from Venice
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I'd tell em to kick rocks.
JoeyJungle
Banned
Just saw this with my sister, I came out going "I'll have to sleep on it, I'm not sure I 'got it'", she was like "I've never related with a movie more in my entire life."
I can't remember a movie in recent memory that is so divisive as this one. I've heard soooo many people say it's terrible and just as many say it's great.
So I'm just gonna spoiler my post just in case
But holy fucking shit it was tough to stomach some of those scenes. I couldn't imagine being a woman who has experienced trauma and watching that movie; it might trigger some PTSD. And I understand the theory behind it but the way it was shot felt really claustrophobic.
saw this with a group. We had a discussion afterwards. At first I thought it was a story with a metaphor for love and relationships. Then a friend proposed that it was actually a metaphor for society/humanity dealing with tragedy. I later came up with the idea that it was about mother earth and humans destroying it, or perhaps it's about the realities of being an admired artist.
Any of these theories I enjoyed but particularly the first and last. I thought it was great to have an actual discussion about a recent film beyond just spectacles and one liners. I really enjoyed it. I felt like I got something out of it.
As a friend put it "I can respect what the film accomplished. I hear a lot of people came out of the film feeling cheated like I did. But alot of people think it's a masterpiece and a lot of people think it's pretentious bullshit. Either way it's a lot of people talking about it and in the day and age of cookie cutter marvel movies and shitty reboots of 80s cartoons, it's a welcome change in my opinion"
But when that friend did some research, he started telling me it was a biblical allegory and for some reason I started to like it a lot less. Is this really what Aronofsky was going for?
And which scene did Lawrence break a rib in?
Any of these theories I enjoyed but particularly the first and last. I thought it was great to have an actual discussion about a recent film beyond just spectacles and one liners. I really enjoyed it. I felt like I got something out of it.
As a friend put it "I can respect what the film accomplished. I hear a lot of people came out of the film feeling cheated like I did. But alot of people think it's a masterpiece and a lot of people think it's pretentious bullshit. Either way it's a lot of people talking about it and in the day and age of cookie cutter marvel movies and shitty reboots of 80s cartoons, it's a welcome change in my opinion"
But when that friend did some research, he started telling me it was a biblical allegory and for some reason I started to like it a lot less. Is this really what Aronofsky was going for?
And which scene did Lawrence break a rib in?
But holy fucking shit it was tough to stomach some of those scenes. I couldn't imagine being a woman who has experienced trauma and watching that movie; it might trigger some PTSD. And I understand the theory behind it but the way it was shot felt really claustrophobic.
Messofanego
Banned
Thanks!
Trigonometrize.
Member
Ugh. What a horrible, horrible criticism of a movie, or anything.
People can be pretentious; when filmmaker X talks about how they're making art and not just movies or that the audience just didn't get their deep message, yeah, they're being pretentious. But no movie can ever be pretentious. When does a movie ever assert itself as being smarter than other movies? How is a movie being different or abstract synonymous with thinking itself cleverer or better? There's plenty of great stuff out there that can be unique and a little weird but still be hella entertaining. If something just sucks, then say it sucks and explain why, but don't give us the run-around with your weasel words that make you sound like you have some perspective about your criticism when you clearly don't.
Sorry, I don't mean to insult your friends, but "pretentious" is up there next to "overrated" and "repetitive" (in regards to video games) as my most hated discussion vocabulary.
"From the idiotic drug-addict hokum Requiem for a Dream to the overrated, overwrought and over-hyped "
I don't know this fellow but he seems bad. Wish I got paid to write about movies and use useless criticisms like "overrated" and "over-hyped"
Well,
they're not normal people, none of them are, so it makes sense they act 'off'.
The religious allegories are 100% there: Adam and Eve, God and Mother Earth, Cain and Abel, Jesus, Muslim and Hindu rituals, they're all in there. But pretty much all your theories could be spot-on, Aronofsky isn't a religious man, his portrayal of religion in this movie is a means to an end. IMO the film is about many things at once. It's about society, the world and the creation of art and celebrity culture. Religion plays a major role because it's the major connecting tissue between all these issues. Religion in general plays a huge role in the way society evolved and is still evolving. Also, the way we as a society view artists we love is also pretty close to deification, so again a God allegory would fit here.
In the end, I think much of the interpretation of the film is on the viewer. If you want to see it as a critique on religion and society and nothing else, that's cool, but it could be a hundred other things.
In the end, I think much of the interpretation of the film is on the viewer. If you want to see it as a critique on religion and society and nothing else, that's cool, but it could be a hundred other things.
PersonAndStuff
Member
I think the ending went too far. The first two thirds of it made me invested in the human story of it all. And the ending went a little too heavy on the weirdness for the sake of a metaphor. Still some powerful moments in that section though.
No real spoilers but just in case.
Miss.Selfdestruct
Member
Wow, ...surprised people seem impressed with this waste of decent cinematography and actors.
It is most definitely NOT a horror flick.
It is most definitely NOT a horror flick.
The half assed biblical allegories came no where near as ham fisted as how the entire thing is practically about a relationship with a celebrity.
...But it's not about that. You clearly just didn't get it.
Don't forget about the
great sink flood
Mankind fucking up Mother Earth to the point of her deciding to purge them all before everything starts over.
SO, now I'm more intrigued by this movie than ever, but I'm wondering if it's something I would want to take my fiance to see. Given that I don't really know the basic plot and she can be rather sensitive to certain things on film, I don't want to put her through something traumatic in a cinema.
More_Badass
Member
If she is pregnant or you guys have a newborn...I'd give the movie a wide berth
We aren't/do not, but if
Rape or torture come into play
I wouldn't take her to see À l'intérieur (Inside)
Naibel
Member
Ouch that necrobump ^^ !
But then again, can't say that I disagree with you. I like Aronofsky's works quite a bit and this one was no exception.
It's intense, claustrophobic, confusing, chockful of symbolism and mindfuckery. Jennifer Lawrence went through so much shit in this movie, it was sometimes very hard to watch, especially at the end.
I agree that it does feel a tad pretentious, and that said symbolism is massively in-your-face at times. Like yeah, the religious undertones are as clear as day in some scenes.
But man, the buildup was so incredible, it went from 0 to 9000 quick fast and I do have a soft spot obnoxious symbolism in art. It's basically "Acquired Taste : The Movie".
"Black Swan" shares a lot from "Perfect Blue", that's why I loved that movie. I feel that this movie shares quite a lot from Eva, especially the second part of End of Evangelion. I don't know if that was intentional or not, but knowing the director, I'm pretty sure it is.
I gonna maybe rewatch it one day, it is indeed a movie very much worth analyzing.
But then again, can't say that I disagree with you. I like Aronofsky's works quite a bit and this one was no exception.
It's intense, claustrophobic, confusing, chockful of symbolism and mindfuckery. Jennifer Lawrence went through so much shit in this movie, it was sometimes very hard to watch, especially at the end.
I agree that it does feel a tad pretentious, and that said symbolism is massively in-your-face at times. Like yeah, the religious undertones are as clear as day in some scenes.
But man, the buildup was so incredible, it went from 0 to 9000 quick fast and I do have a soft spot obnoxious symbolism in art. It's basically "Acquired Taste : The Movie".
"Black Swan" shares a lot from "Perfect Blue", that's why I loved that movie. I feel that this movie shares quite a lot from Eva, especially the second part of End of Evangelion. I don't know if that was intentional or not, but knowing the director, I'm pretty sure it is.
I gonna maybe rewatch it one day, it is indeed a movie very much worth analyzing.
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