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LionPride

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Avery Bradley can literally just walk up and steal the ball from you whenever he wants, ask John Wall about it.

But CP3 got in

This like Kobe and his TWELVE Defensive first and second teams. Man ain't deserve most of em

Also I just want George Hill on the Wolves

Not Kyle Lowry, not Jrue Holiday, just Hill.
 
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Vahagn

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Phil has now gotten 3 all rookie first team selections in 3 years.


Maybe folks should let Phil and Gaines draft who they want?
 
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Vahagn

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LionPride said:
Avery Bradley can literally just walk up and steal the ball from you whenever he wants, ask John Wall about it.

But CP3 got in

This like Kobe and his TWELVE Defensive first and second teams. Man ain't deserve most of em

Also I just want George Hill on the Wolves

Not Kyle Lowry, not Jrue Holiday, just Hill.
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Eh Kobe, Jordan, West, Lebron deserved all NBA defense selections based on the notion that they were the best defenders when they needed to be. Not based on performance over an entire season. Outside of Kawhi and Timmy, no one has consistently been elite at both sides for 82 games a year - year after year after year for a solid 2 decades.
 
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LionPride

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Vahagn said:
Eh Kobe, Jordan, West, Lebron deserved all NBA defense selections based on the notion that they were the best defenders when they needed to be. Not based on performance over an entire season. Outside of Kawhi and Timmy, no one has consistently been elite at both sides for 82 games a year - year after year after year for a solid 2 decades.
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Kobe ain't really deserved bout 8 of em
 
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Boogs31

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Vahagn said:
Eh Kobe, Jordan, West, Lebron deserved all NBA defense selections based on the notion that they were the best defenders when they needed to be. Not based on performance over an entire season. Outside of Kawhi and Timmy, no one has consistently been elite at both sides for 82 games a year - year after year after year for a solid 2 decades.
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The whole point of these awards being given out yearly and for the regular season is so we can identify who played the best during that particular year. The awards don't indicate its about who's CAPABLE of playing the best defense, it's who actually did.
 
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Bread said:
he destroyed kyrie in the finals
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No he didn't. Kyrie had 24, 19, 38, 40 and 26 in the 5 games. Kyrie plays better at home. And the 2 games in Cleveland he scored at will on Thompson. In the 3 games in Golden State he wasn't as efficient but he still averaged 23 ppg there.
 
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Peter Ian Staker said:
You can do a lot worse than IT.

His only real defensive issue is that he is 5'9". Not much he can do about that.
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His height is a huge problem though. Especially when the average height of an NBA player is about 10 inches taller than that. I agree he tries hard and moves his feet, but when you're as small as he is, you are a liability defensively as soon as you step on the court.
 
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Boogs31 said:
The whole point of these awards being given out yearly and for the regular season is so we can identify who played the best during that particular year. The awards don't indicate its about who's CAPABLE of playing the best defense, it's who actually did.
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And my argument is that's a recent way of thinking. For decades it was about who is the best defender. Which is why superstars always got the nod over defensive specialists.

Jordan kept winning even when Scottie and rodman drew the tougher assignments game after game because Jordan's defensive apex was thought to be the best.

Same with Kobe and Ariza or Artest.

I'm fine with doing it your way. I think it's definitely more fair. But the old way was the case since West was winning them.
 
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Bread

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Boogs31 said:
No he didn't. Kyrie had 24, 19, 38, 40 and 26 in the 5 games. Kyrie plays better at home. And the 2 games in Cleveland he scored at will on Thompson. In the 3 games in Golden State he wasn't as efficient but he still averaged 23ppg there.
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Did you just list scoring totals as proof that he was scoring on Klay? That means nothing dude.

They were switching Klay off him using picks, he did most of his scoring on mismatches and against Curry.
 
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Vahagn said:
And my argument is that's a recent way of thinking. For decades it was about who is the best defender. Which is why superstars always got the nod over defensive specialists.


Jordan kept winning even when Scottie and rodman drew the tougher assignments game after game because Jordan's defensive apex was thought to be the best.
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Teams can have multiple all defensive players. I'm pretty sure Pippen and Rodman won plenty of defensive awards over there career. It made sense that they put Pippen on the better scorer because the Bulls needed Jordan's offense more than Pippen. That doesn't mean Jordan didn't still lock down whoever he was guarding.

I don't understand the idea of wanting a system that doesn't reward guys who play the best defense during the season and instead just rewards whoever we think is best if they had tried. You seriously want LeBron on one of these lists after the Cavs were forcibl horrible defensively all season? They won 51 games because LeBron coasts. I don't want to reward him with a regular season award after he clearly saved all his defensive energy and effort for the playoffs.
 
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Boogs31 said:
His height is a huge problem though. Especially when the average height of an NBA player is about 10 inches taller than that. I agree he tries hard and moves his feet, but when you're as small as he is, you are a liability defensively as soon as you step on the court.
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At point guard that isn't the worst issue though. Lots of teams hide their short point guard on defense.

For me a big who barely hustles and/or has zero defensive awareness is even worse. Bigs are far more pivotal to a teams defense.
 
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Bread said:
Did you just list scoring totals as proof that he was scoring on Klay? That means nothing dude.

They were switching Klay off him using picks, he did most of his scoring on mismatches and against Curry.
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Yes, I used scoring numbers to indicate he couldn't have possibly been destroyed. And I also used my eyes when I watched the NBA Finals games multiple times. Yes, he used pick and rolls, but what guard doesn't? He scored plenty of times on Klay in isolation as well.
 
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SwipeLeftHoney

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Vahagn said:
And my argument is that's a recent way of thinking. For decades it was about who is the best defender. Which is why superstars always got the nod over defensive specialists.

Jordan kept winning even when Scottie and rodman drew the tougher assignments game after game because Jordan's defensive apex was thought to be the best.

Same with Kobe and Ariza or Artest.

I'm fine with doing it your way. I think it's definitely more fair. But the old way was the case since West was winning them.
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Jordan got it because he was always among the league leaders in steals.
 
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Bread

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Thinking that Bradley should have been on the team over CP3 is having Celtic bias, Lion. Stop being a Boston homer.
 
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SwipeLeftHoney

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Boogs31 said:
Yes, I used scoring numbers to indicate he couldn't have possibly been destroyed. And I also used my eyes when I watched the NBA Finals games multiple times. Yes, he used pick and rolls, but what guard doesn't? He scored plenty of times on Klay in isolation as well.
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Totally agree. He carved Klay up the whole series.
 
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Peter Ian Staker said:
At point guard that isn't the worst issue though. Lots of teams hide their short point guard on defense.

For me a big who barely hustles and/or has zero defensive awareness is even worse. Bigs are far more pivotal to a teams defense.
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I agree with that to a certain extent. I don't believe Isaiah Thomas is the worst defender in the league. Having a big who can't defend on the perimeter or protect the rim like Enes Kanter is a bigger problem.

But in the playoffs teams like Cleveland and Golden will attack IT more than teams would in the regular season. His height makes him a below average defender.
 
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My buddy tried to tell me IT isn't a bad defender. Bottom line is even if it's not your fault if you can't contest shots you're not a good defender.
 
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