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Netflix Proxy/VPN Discussion |OT| Discuss the use of Proxies and VPNs with Netflix.
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They have to do this. They have to respect movie industry region locks if they are going to keep making deals with the movie industry
It's not even the movie industry that's the one who is getting mad about this; it's the cable companies / networks that own the broadcast rights for said content.
I don't get it.
Who cares if the rare english speakers from France Spain Italy and whatever are accessing US Netflix ?
They have no localized versions on that, so it can't be such a big problem for them ? Like how many people are fluent and can enjoy movies without subtitles ?
It literally only alienates the people that do need it because their store is pathetic (hello french Netflix) and that have no use for localized content.
They do this i'm out of their service. Simple as that.
Like I'm absolutely going to torrent if I want to see something so it's not like they are going to win anything.
If people know how to set up a proxy they know how to use a torrent. If you don't want my money fine.
Who cares if the rare english speakers from France Spain Italy and whatever are accessing US Netflix ?
They have no localized versions on that, so it can't be such a big problem for them ? Like how many people are fluent and can enjoy movies without subtitles ?
It literally only alienates the people that do need it because their store is pathetic (hello french Netflix) and that have no use for localized content.
They do this i'm out of their service. Simple as that.
Like I'm absolutely going to torrent if I want to see something so it's not like they are going to win anything.
If people know how to set up a proxy they know how to use a torrent. If you don't want my money fine.
My unpopular opinion? That's completely fair, and it's also completely fair that licensing means different content is available in different countries.
I don't understand why licensing is such a difficult concept to grasp for many people.
Yeah, that works great in theory.
In practice, licensing just means that different content is simply not available in your region, because nobody is licensing it. As I said in earlier post, Netflix and other streaming services destroyed the local distributors and made sure there's nobody else left to do the job. When people have been taught for years that this content is available and should be available, they're not gonna go 'oh that's fair'. They're gonna torrent.
Imagine if Steam suddenly stopped working for games in your country.
I started using Smartflix which is currently in beta and is temporarily free. Basically it unlock all of Netflix's content into one program so you don't have to hassle with changing VPN's and unblockers. When they go out of beta it will be a single purchase of 7 dollars, so I wonder how they are gonna get around this if Netflix puts their foot down. The program is frigging amazing though and the UI is designed more inline with popcorn time. (Of course you need a netflix account and it's not illegal to use) Better check it out while it lasts.
Anyways, you can also say bye bye to my subscription as well. We have one of the worst Netflix selections available and most of our movies and TV-shows doesn't even come with English subtitles.
Anyways, you can also say bye bye to my subscription as well. We have one of the worst Netflix selections available and most of our movies and TV-shows doesn't even come with English subtitles.
It's not even the movie industry that's the one who is getting mad about this; it's the cable companies / networks that own the broadcast rights for said content.
Semantics. They are the same companies, just different t divisions.
Yeah, that works great in theory.
In practice, licensing just means that different content is simply not available in your region, because nobody is licensing it. As I said in earlier post, Netflix and other streaming services destroyed the local distributors and made sure there's nobody else left to do the job. When people have been taught for years that this content is available and should be available, they're not gonna go 'oh that's fair'. They're gonna torrent.
Because we live in a connected world.
Paying the same as other countries for less/different content makes no sense. Getting content late or not at all just doesn't fly in a world where everyone (no matter where they live) is connected to the entire world 24/7.
Because Netflix has contracts to get the movies and shows on their service. They have to honor their contracts so they have to block people from accessing content from outside their region.I don't get it.
Who cares if the rare english speakers from France Spain Italy and whatever are accessing US Netflix ?
They have no localized versions on that, so it can't be such a big problem for them ? Like how many people are fluent and can enjoy movies without subtitles ?
It literally only alienates the people that do need it because their store is pathetic (hello french Netflix) and that have no use for localized content.
They do this i'm out of their service. Simple as that.
Like I'm absolutely going to torrent if I want to see something so it's not like they are going to win anything.
If people know how to set up a proxy they know how to use a torrent. If you don't want my money fine.
They say this literally every year to keep their licensing partners happy.
If they ever actually succeeded the drop off in their revenue would be astronomical though. At least in the UK, using VPNs to watch the good version of Netflix isn't just something nerds on the internet do, pretty much everyone does it regardless of technical savvy.
If they ever actually succeeded the drop off in their revenue would be astronomical though. At least in the UK, using VPNs to watch the good version of Netflix isn't just something nerds on the internet do, pretty much everyone does it regardless of technical savvy.
My unpopular opinion? That's completely fair, and it's also completely fair that licensing means different content is available in different countries.
I don't understand why licensing is such a difficult concept to grasp for many people.
Because it's an antiquated practice that has next to no relevancy in the 21st century.
teruterubozu
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Lots of countries have weird content, ratings and censorship laws, it's not that easy.
Dusk Soldier
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The problem is that Netflix signed a contract in order to get their movies that details where they are allowed to broadcast their content.I don't really understand this argument. I'm paying for Netflix, Netflix is getting my money. It shouldn't matter where I watch it and I use the service, because I can watch shows that are somewhere around the world on Netflix.
I can't do that anymore? I'm out, I'm not a paying customer anymore and Netflix is now getting none of my money. And it's not a policy that's encouraging potential new customers to come onboard, like a switch to no more parallel viewing - nobody will take my place because of this change.
They will end up with less paying customers because of this policy which gives them less money to buy new licenses.
If they are caught intentionally broadcasting movies somewhere they don't have rights to do so, then they can get sued.
Hulu has a deal with FX in US to exclusively be the only streaming service with their shows. It's bullshit since US Netflix had the shield for so long.Why is The Shield not available in the US, Netflix? Why?
Beer Monkey
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Yeah, that works great in theory.
In practice, licensing just means that different content is simply not available in your region, because nobody is licensing it.
Not the case for most of the content we are discussing here. The movies that people are talking about streaming from out-of-region into their US Netflix account is available here. It just isn't available on Netflix...
Because it's an antiquated practice that has next to no relevancy in the 21st century.
Because we have a right to all-you-can-consume media for a flat fee, with all content, everywhere.
That's so entitled.
Hulu has a deal with FX in US to exclusively be the only streaming service with their shows. It's bullshit since US Netflix had the shield for so long.
How is that bullshit? Companies pay to develop content. Companies pay to license content. They get to monetize it how they see fit because they own it, because they paid for it. If I own something, I don't want anybody telling me how I can sell it. It's mine.
Prophet Steve
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I don't get it.
Who cares if the rare english speakers from France Spain Italy and whatever are accessing US Netflix ?
They have no localized versions on that, so it can't be such a big problem for them ? Like how many people are fluent and can enjoy movies without subtitles ?
It literally only alienates the people that do need it because their store is pathetic (hello french Netflix) and that have no use for localized content.
They do this i'm out of their service. Simple as that.
Like I'm absolutely going to torrent if I want to see something so it's not like they are going to win anything.
If people know how to set up a proxy they know how to use a torrent. If you don't want my money fine.
Uh it can also be used for people from the US to access any local Netflix with different content.
Or from any English speaking country to another. And plenty of non-native speakers that use it too.
It is not a small group or anything.
Also the torrent argument goes up for the entirety of Netflix anyway. Why pay for Netflix if you can torrent?
Yes its very antiquated to pay taxes in the country you are doing business and make sure local laws are respected
I want all my danish crowns to fly directly to the usa and support the us taxpayer
Why would I want to want to support crazy danish things like a year paid maternity leave and free universities
I want all my danish crowns to fly directly to the usa and support the us taxpayer
Why would I want to want to support crazy danish things like a year paid maternity leave and free universities
Why is The Shield not available in the US, Netflix? Why?
This is an entirely different problem, which is the number of streaming services popping up that each have exclusive rights to certain shows/movies/whatever.
Effectively, they are going to slowly mirror what television actually is, but merely do it online instead.
Also the torrent argument goes up for the entirety of Netflix anyway. Why pay for Netflix if you can torrent?
It's a matter of arguing convenience versus cost. For many people, the low(ish) cost of Netflix is enough to outweigh the hassle of having to (or having to LEARN to) torrent movies, to them the convenience is worth it.
If now, thanks to blocking proxies/DNS tricks, you have a much more limited selection of stuff you could watch (relative to before), that "convenience" may no longer be worth it, and piracy would increase as a result.
Infernostew
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Netflix Canada is GOAT for movies.Canadian Netflix is perhaps the best one.
I think this is the consensus, too.
The movie industry can fuck off.
Then you should stop watching movies. Being able to view content is not a right and it is not free.
Not the case for most of the content we are discussing here. The movies that people are talking about streaming from out-of-region into their US Netflix account is available here. It just isn't available on Netflix...
Because we have a right to all-you-can-consume media for a flat fee, with all content, everywhere.
That's so entitled.
I'd say I'm entitled to get the same product as someone else if I'm paying the same money.
You are paying for the same price everywhere so it would be expected that the product is the same, logically speaking.
If they want to offer me a much smaller poll of shows then don't make me pay the same as other people do for much better content.
Licensing exist because how vastly different the laws are from country to country and also how expensive is to dub or sub a show in different markets.Because it's an antiquated practice that has next to no relevancy in the 21st century.
Then you should stop watching movies. Being able to view content is not a right and it is not free.
It's a good thing no one pays for Netfli
Oh wait we do pay for Netflix.
Will it matter much in the end?
Pretty sure Netflix is moving to an original content + low-cost licensing features (documentaries for example) model. Didn't they recently drop an expensive but large catalog of movies in favour of their original programming.
So once that model is in full effect, then country specific licenses won't matter as much since netflix will own most of it.
Pretty sure Netflix is moving to an original content + low-cost licensing features (documentaries for example) model. Didn't they recently drop an expensive but large catalog of movies in favour of their original programming.
So once that model is in full effect, then country specific licenses won't matter as much since netflix will own most of it.
Not the case for most of the content we are discussing here. The movies that people are talking about streaming from out-of-region into their US Netflix account is available here. It just isn't available on Netflix...
I wish. Rental stores, gone. Genre DVD stores, gone. Arthouse/horror cinemas, gone. I have Netflix, HBO and Viaplay subs currently and they all have goddamn abysmal non mainstream / genre / horror selection here. They're good if you're watching lots of series, but the movie fare is mostly the mainstream stuff that's been repeating on normal tv for years.
I'll put it here really simply for those who go 'lol you stealing': The industry players have made sure I can't give my money to anyone.
Beer Monkey
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I'd say I'm entitled to get the same product as someone else if I'm paying the same money.
You are paying for the same price everywhere so it would be expected that the product is the same, logically speaking.
If they want to offer me a much smaller poll of shows then don't make me pay the same as other people do for much better content.
You aren't entitled to anything. Period.
Also, Netflix US has more shows, Netflix Canada has more movies.
Cancelled my sub already. If/when someone finds a way to bypass the block, I may renew. Until then, Amazon Video's UK service is superior to that of Netflix.UK Netflix is pretty shit so bye I guess.
It's a good thing no one pays for Netfli
Oh wait we do pay for Netflix.
But you could be paying more to more people. Therefore you are stealing. /s
It's like the consumer is to blame for how slow content providers move.
jellies_two
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netflix has a lot of smart engineers they have spent no time up to now working out who is using unblock services etc but clearly something has changed. Perhaps now they are in every country, they are now forced to take notice of right holders.
They CAN detect VPN use, even a single private VPN: you can inspect latency, and you can look at diminished packet size. I imagine with the volume of data they have they can easily inspect usage over time and instantly ban everyone using paid services like unblock.us then start to ban people who constantly use what is most likely to be a private VPN.
I don't know if they'll go as far as wacking private VPNs but I'm under no illusion that you can always defeat geo-blocks, instead, if you can do it, they're just turning a blind eye.
They CAN detect VPN use, even a single private VPN: you can inspect latency, and you can look at diminished packet size. I imagine with the volume of data they have they can easily inspect usage over time and instantly ban everyone using paid services like unblock.us then start to ban people who constantly use what is most likely to be a private VPN.
I don't know if they'll go as far as wacking private VPNs but I'm under no illusion that you can always defeat geo-blocks, instead, if you can do it, they're just turning a blind eye.
It's a good thing no one pays for Netfli
Oh wait we do pay for Netflix.
You either are trolling or dumb and cant read whats being posted
You are paying for access to your local netflix and their selection of shows
If you use a proxy you are stealing from the people that have the rights to those shows in your territory
It doesnt matter you pay netflix because the rightholder doesnt get paid in the right place
You aren't entitled to anything. Period.
Also, Netflix US has more shows, Netflix Canada has more movies.
I don't use a VPN, I have criticized the practice in the past, but if you take a look just at how much more (or newer) content is available (in general) on Netflix USA or Netflix Canada compared to every other region, it's not hard to see why people would use a VPN. I read kiguel182's post as a "I pay as much money as an American, but I only get maybe a third of the content" complaint.
EdibleExplosives
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Well, bye then. I barely ever watch the UK Netflix.
Beer Monkey
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I wish. Rental stores, gone. Genre DVD stores, gone. Arthouse/horror cinemas, gone. I have Netflix, HBO and Viaplay subs currently and they all have goddamn abysmal non mainstream / genre / horror selection here. They're good if you're watching lots of series, but the movie fare is mostly the mainstream stuff that's been repeating on normal tv for years.
What I'm saying is these movies that aren't on Netflix US but are on Netflix Canada, the mainstream content that so many are crying about, they are on Playstation, they are on Amazon et al. But you pay to rent or own.
Every brat thinks they are owed every movie and show they want to see for $10-$12 a month flat fee. They aren't.
I understand why they'd do that, but if there's money to find a way to block users accessing content from other territories, why isn't there money to at least find a way to allow these people to select which territory they want to access?
I'll let my subscription expire for now. The selection we have in Germany and Sweden is pretty dismal.
I'll let my subscription expire for now. The selection we have in Germany and Sweden is pretty dismal.
You aren't entitled to anything. Period.
Also, Netflix US has more shows, Netflix Canada has more movies.
I'm paying for the product. I'm paying exactly the same money as everyone in the US. So why is my product inferior? And why can't I do anything about it?
I'm sorry if some people live in an alternate universe where the internet doesn't exist but that just doesn't fly today.
If I'm buying a game from the US instead of one in my country am I filthy pirate to?
Oh, shut up.You either are trolling or dumb and cant read whats being posted
You are paying for access to your local netflix and their selection of shows
If you use a proxy you are stealing from the people that have the rights to those shows in your territory
It doesnt matter you pay netflix because the rightholder doesnt get paid in the right place
You pay what less 15 dollars or less and you think that's entitles you all the movies.It's a good thing no one pays for Netfli
Oh wait we do pay for Netflix.
What I'm saying is these movies that aren't on Netflix US but are on Netflix Canada, the mainstream content that so many are crying about, they are on Playstation, they are on Amazon et al. But you pay to rent or own.
Every brat thinks they are owed every movie and show they want to see for $10-$12 a month flat fee. They aren't.
It's pretty different in a very small country that doesn't have English as an official language. There's not enough money on the market for anyone to care. You can see it in localizations as well. The Netflix subs here are deteriorating and slowly reaching Google translate levels because they've stopped paying for professional translators.
Beer Monkey
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I'm paying for the product. I'm paying exactly the same money as everyone in the US. So why is my product inferior? And why can't I do anything about it?
Move to a country that has the product that you want.
Be warned, you may find things like bread, milk, and gas cost a lot more, there are tradeoffs.
Sometimes even video games cost more....
Hopefully this is another case of them saying they'll do more to appease the content providers and then not actually doing much about it. If they're serious about it though I'll more than likely cancel since UK Netflix is somehow managing to get even worse than it was, since they're not renewing the contracts for a lot of the US shows, and almost all of the Channel 4 stuff is gone.
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