Regardless of whether it was or wasn't actually low budget, it looks low budget. Maybe most of the budget went towards multiplayer, but then why not show that? Probably the same reason we've seen very little of the game since its announcement at E3 2014. It's most likely not that great.
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New Crackdown 3 screenshot
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That's a pretty lame way to spend one's free time.
Its the normal course of game development. They will get the game looking better as it nears completion. The devs even came out stating this fact. That usually the work flow. Also its unknown how old the build they've demoed from e3 is. I'm sure their internal builds are better than what they've shown.
Maybe it's they just made a really poor choice of art style and Sumo was really not up to making this kind of game. In terms of not showing of the multiplayer it's probably the most obvious answer MS is absolutely shit at showing of and marketing their games properly at all, evidenced by last few E3's of first party demoing and there advertising for those games in comparison to say Sony. Shinobi did mention some development trouble which he then retracted to every game has development trouble it's coming along fine, he didn't mention if development trouble was with Sumo and the campaign or Ruffian with the multiplayer. So who knows? We should probably be getting info on the multiplayer around Gamescom and then we will have a clearer image.
Yeah so the problem with the visuals is not something that can be fixed in 4 months. This isn't a situation where the game is a little rough around the edges and needs some polish. This is a situation where the visuals are so underwhelming they would essentially have to redo them from the ground up to get to the level of what's expected for an EXCLUSIVE open-world game in 2017.
I think people have issues with the art direction for this game. The WIP stuff seems to be before they added the cel shaded comic style of the game. Whether you like that or not, that's the vision of Crackdown that the creators set forth
Either that or the campaign and Multiplayer will have wildly different visuals and then it will truly indicate that they essentially are 2 different games formed into 1 packaged product. You have the classic Crackdown SP and a new multiplayer destructible world game
oldergamer
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The original crackdown was going for a frank miller art style
...but ultimately it wasn't achievable. You will see some early similarities in the color pallets used in frank miller art.
...but ultimately it wasn't achievable. You will see some early similarities in the color pallets used in frank miller art.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Imo, sunset overdrive is a better looking game.
Gameplay wise, yet to be determined.
Gameplay wise, yet to be determined.
The screenshot in the beginning of the thread looks good but those gameplay videos don't look improved at all from the E3 footage.
This is not encouraging.
LukasTaves
Member
You can see for yourself how bad compression hurts this game visuals. Here's the conference trailer with a decent quality:
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_crackdown_3_e3_trailer_press_conference_4k_30_-40153_en.html
Compare this version to the youtube one and you see how worse it looks on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeiwjOBvVwg
The youtube version simply destroys every detail.
Black Mantis
Member
That's because it's the same demo build.
Wait what, so those gameplay clips were from older builds? That makes no sense, why would they showcase that..
Necro900
Member
"Crackdown is all about destruction"
Almost nothing in the demo appears to be destructible. Even the car shows no signs of damage when run into a wall at high speed... why is everything so stiff/static in this game?
Sigh, let's hope this turns out good, I'd hate to see such a good IP die, especially now that MS really needs quality exclusives.
..why? That doesn't really stand out as technically unrealistic.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
The actual gameplay graphics look mediocre to be honest.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Target Render:
Cut scence:
In game
That gameplay footage was from the same E3 build (10 minute limit in closed area) that they had random SDCC Entertainment Weekly party attendees (all people in Hollywood) playing (often drunk off their asses) and was taken straight from a Mixer stream. This isn't a "showcase", just to clear up confusion.
Not sure how much the game's graphics have actually changed since the E3 build, but thought some context was necessary here.
They did have a panel yesterday about Crackdown earlier in the day, but footage from that won't be available until Monday and also I'm not sure if there was actual gameplay footage shown at that panel or if it was just a developer/artist discussion.
Not sure how much the game's graphics have actually changed since the E3 build, but thought some context was necessary here.
They did have a panel yesterday about Crackdown earlier in the day, but footage from that won't be available until Monday and also I'm not sure if there was actual gameplay footage shown at that panel or if it was just a developer/artist discussion.
Outrun
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Shin-Ra
Junior Member
This Major Nelson interview's cracking me up.
"I can swim?"
"Oh yeah. You're super agent."
"I'm super Asian?!"
Cars are riding on top of each other and clipping through the road.
"So this game, it's all about physics, so you're going to see things in this game that react, act and react according to what we understand to be physics here on Earth."
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, it's to show the progression of different art styles/geometry/models/lighting over the last two years. So they completely simplified the geometry of the city in the last 2 years and changed art style, while also changing the lighting which doesn't do the game any favours. Notice how the character model from the Gamescom 2015 build/2016 developer preview is the same as the one in the newest screenshot in the OP but doesn't match the E3 trailer. I'm still excited for the game as what I want out of Crackdown is the gameplay, but the amount of difference between all these different builds they have had over the years is so strange. Even the two week gap between the two different art styled Terry Crews models, we only know the cell shaded version is in the opening cinematic is the other in-game? The way it's being shown off is awful. Not to mention when we see the multiplayer footage which will also look completely different because the way geometry has to be built for 100% physics based destruction is completely different to how the campaigns geometry looks.
Ricerocket
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I havn't seen a game get promoted with many different gfx rendering/style over the years as much as this. That shot really does not look like the video of gameplay.
I really get that feeling too.
Prophaniti
Banned
Are the building's destructible like they said originally? I haven't been following the development.
Dee Dah Dave
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Apparently so, in the multiplayer part of the game. They seem afraid to show it though for some reason!...
Quote from official Xbox page -
"Join with up to 10 agents online to tear the city apart piece by piece in a 100% destructible multiplayer arena, available with your purchase of Crackdown 3"
Only for Multiplayer which people think will be shown of at Gamescom
Prophaniti
Banned
Holy shit.Target Render:
Cut scence:
In game
Is this real?
Ohh cool thanks for the info
It is real, the captions are not.
That is showing the different lighting passes.
The top one being the final lighting.
Dictator93
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Raigan5088
Banned
Complete bullshot
Dont believe it unless i see gameplay
Looks nothing like the E3 footage
Dont believe it unless i see gameplay
Looks nothing like the E3 footage
There are multiple playable characters
Also, there will be multiple models for agent level up for each character, as there were in both previous games.
You see to be confusing "art style" with the character being within a different room/lighting environment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVXujveS1WE
god damn
MosquitoSmasher
Member
The gameplay might be fun, shit I sure hope so but man the visuals are disappointing to say the least. Definitely not what you would expect from a game that has been in development for so many years. Wonder what happened.
That being said, I really do hope they'll finally show that MP during Gamescom because it sure is about time we got to see that and hopefully the destruction is still the same.
That being said, I really do hope they'll finally show that MP during Gamescom because it sure is about time we got to see that and hopefully the destruction is still the same.
DriftingSpirit
Member
They already cancelled Scalebound. The last thing they need to do is cancel another major title in their lineup. They are probably biting the bullet with this one.
Face it Tiger..
Banned
dat mass
For anybody interested, here is the article where that image has come from
https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...halo-and-destiny-writer-jon-goff-joins-t.html
And a slightly less compressed/sharpened version of that image
https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...halo-and-destiny-writer-jon-goff-joins-t.html
And a slightly less compressed/sharpened version of that image
funkystudent
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Cant say I am a fan of whatever pastel shader they are using for this game.
Really seems to make the game look worse then it should.
Really seems to make the game look worse then it should.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
This had the potential to be something on the level of Gears and Halo in being the next big exclusive with great graphics, improved gameplay and new stuff, destruction and so on. But I guess there is a reason they took so damn long to show it to the public.
I have very little faith in this game. What MS needs is studios like 343 and The Coalition, who know what they are doing, know all about the hardware and engine. I mean more studios like that. And right now they have way too few of those.
I have very little faith in this game. What MS needs is studios like 343 and The Coalition, who know what they are doing, know all about the hardware and engine. I mean more studios like that. And right now they have way too few of those.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Agreed. Hiring smaller studios to work on major titles isn't cutting it. They need bigger teams with an appropriate budget and as much time as needed.
I already know about the 5 levels (6 for Terry) and multiple characters, I mean the art style and quality of the model. The E3 trailer model is far more cel shaded, lower resolution textures and lower poly than the Gamescom/preview model.
No I'm not, no lighting pass is going to change the difference between the obviously made to look cell shaded and sharpening filtered version of Terry Crews and the realistic model of Terry Crews. You can easily see that the realistic model is the base of the made to look cell shaded model. There is a clear difference, one is clearly 3D the opposite of what cel shading hopes to achieve and one is taking that model and trying to make it look cel shaded (I say trying because it doesn't do a good enough job making the 3D model appear 2D.)
What about the rest of my post:
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Yes. But it's strange, because I was under the impression that plenty of talent were working on the game. How many different developers actually are on it?
But man, MS already doesn't have too many great games of their own. Big exclusives I mean and it's just sad that this clearly won't be one of those. That's not to say it can't be fun but this one ain't gonna be the next big one.
Four studios
Cloudgine - developing cloud technology
Reagent - director of the project (Dave Jones creator of Crackdown)
Ruffian - Multiplayer
Sumo - Single player
DriftingSpirit
Member
As Jinx mentioned above, their were 4 different teams working on it but each team had a specific task and each team was pretty small on their own. Probably had cohesion issues with the way they did it.
I think it is a shame as well because I figured Crackdown 3 would come back in a big way after being absent for 4+ years.