GayForMaster
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Checkpoints? I doubt the scope of any level is big enough that it would justify having checkpoints, or need it. That also eliminates the challenge. Kind of an weird post as well coming from someone named after IWBTG.
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New MARIO MAKER footage from Game Center CX SP at NicoNico Chokaigi 2015 w/ Miyamoto!
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Checkpoints? I doubt the scope of any level is big enough that it would justify having checkpoints, or need it. That also eliminates the challenge. Kind of an weird post as well coming from someone named after IWBTG.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
One other thing that seemed new was the out of place tree:
So it looks like we could be able to place certain non-interactive background elements ourselves perhaps? Unless they randomly auto-generate on ground tiles
So it looks like we could be able to place certain non-interactive background elements ourselves perhaps? Unless they randomly auto-generate on ground tiles
They're a staple in two of the games that are being offered as tile sets, so their omission would be a bit strange if you were wanting to make levels in the same vein.
lol ok.
Adam Tyner
Member
I don't know what the price will ultimately be, but I find a full $59.99 price very difficult to believe, especially since Nintendo has been experimenting with so many other price points this gen. I'd imagine that the current price at so many other retailers is a placeholder, the same as its December 31st release date as Amazon.
One other thing that seemed new was the out of place tree:
This reminds me of something: I hope someone will remake the original Giana Sisters with this, just because.
They've been experimenting with games that don't have the kind of visibility that Mario Maker has gotten already, or even ever had.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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I Wanna Be The Guy has checkpoints lol. My post is very fitting.
And the scope of a level can be big enough for checkpoints to suit. Besides if you're going to make a bullshitty ridiculously hard level then well placed checkpoints can keep tbose kind of levels fun without feeling too frustrating due to the perfection required over the course of a long stage. Again, see I Wanna Be The Guy.
SpiceMelange
Member
My concerns for the vertical limit is now relieved.
Only thing left that kinda bother me is the universal physics
Only thing left that kinda bother me is the universal physics
I Wanna Be The Guy
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For the record, I so plan on creating IWBTG style levels but obviously based around Mario's moveset. You'll see the need for checkpoints when you see the levels I come up with.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Pretty fun set of levels. Hopefully this becomes a series and we get Zelda Maker & Metroid Maker before too long. 
Sectorseven
Member
Still not sure how I feel about this.
I think a lot of people will buy this and quickly realize how hard it is to make a decent level, and give up.
There will of course be a handful of people who can churn out great levels on a consistent basis (has sharing levels been officially announced?), but then that diminishes interest in any official titles Nintendo wants to sell later on.
Also, anyone who's really interested has probably tinkered with rom hacks and homebrew stuff already. It kind of feels like something that would have been more timely on the SNES around the Mario Paint era.
I think a lot of people will buy this and quickly realize how hard it is to make a decent level, and give up.
There will of course be a handful of people who can churn out great levels on a consistent basis (has sharing levels been officially announced?), but then that diminishes interest in any official titles Nintendo wants to sell later on.
Also, anyone who's really interested has probably tinkered with rom hacks and homebrew stuff already. It kind of feels like something that would have been more timely on the SNES around the Mario Paint era.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
I just hope all the weird assets from mario 3 and mario world have been converted. fishin' boo's, ptooie's, the sun, boo swarms, roto-discs, and some of the platforms whose names I never knew.
also I want to be able to create pipe levels like in SMB3 world 7
Man this looks great. The camera seems sort of slow in following vertical movement, though.
Yes it has, and it's the only reason I'd want to get this. I can't make decent levels.
Yes it has, and it's the only reason I'd want to get this. I can't make decent levels.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Yes, you can share levels. I believe the creator has to beat the level first before it can be shared to prove that it's beatable. Also, they mentioned that users will be able to rate levels so if you just want to play through the most popular levels and not worry about making stuff yourself, you can.
Definitely wouldn't have worked very well on the SNES. No online sharing, harder to control, and limited storage space.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Do we know what the deal is with this yet?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
...okay I think this answered my concerns about complexity and level size. I'm excited now
Megatron
Member
They haven't yet said if they will package any levels in, have they? I assume they will....
Holy Order Sol
Member
I hope rising water is in (like the Mondo level in SMW), not counting on it though.
SpiceMelange
Member
Well it's visibly the NSMB physics in the videos
stan423321
Member
It's not "slow", it's doing what it's doing (going up only when you're grounded) intentionally, presumably to not mess up with SMB1 visual design. Rayman 1 did the same thing, though not to such degree.
There'll most likely be quite a few standard levels/campaigns to play included in the package as well, since Nintendo's other Wii U titles with level editors already have that feature.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Ah. I can feel physics differences really easily when playing, but I can't really seem them in a video.
If they're using NSMB physics I don't have a problem with thatI know not everyone agrees but I really like them. I was mostly worried that they were going to use some kind of new+old hybrid.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
and forced scrolling!
KatamariOnTheRocks
Member
I think Nintendo could be really sucessful if they planned this as I believe they have. If they knew that this game would diminish demand for a future NSMB title they could instead create future NSMB titles using this engine, and release them as DLC for people that have Mario Maker and as a standalone for people that don't. This way people that buy the standalone can create new levels for it using the Mario Maker backbone, but only have access to the assets within that particular game. The people that own Mario Maker can then access the assets for that game, but also mix and match with their other Mario Maker assets effectively making the new game bonus content added to their disposal.
Tesseract
Banned
you sure?
gashikunFLCL
Member
Started the video...What the heck happened to Arino's hair? lol
everybodyman
Neo Member
Is the physics in the mario maker demo the same as the original super mario bros on the NES?
KittenMaster
Member
I am loving how trolly and creative the levels can be, especially for making puzzle-like situations.
Also, Miyamoto praising the sun soon after he sits down at the table needs to be a .gif.
Also, Miyamoto praising the sun soon after he sits down at the table needs to be a .gif.
SpiceMelange
Member
Not 100% of course I haven't played it, but the friction and air control seems NSMB to me.
Also I don't hate NSMB physics (actually I think they're good) it's the fact we don't have the originals that bothers me. I see little point in cashing in my nostalgia for smb1 and such while it controls totally differently.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
Incredible!
MisterHero
Super Member
miyamoto stinks at super mario bros? discredited forever!
Seriously though that swimming goomba was hilarious
Seriously though that swimming goomba was hilarious
Dead_Pixel
Banned
This looks absolutely fantastic. The best showing of Mario Maker's possibilities thus far. Most of my concerns re level size and complexity seem to have been addressed in this showing, so it'd be nice to get an authoritative stance on physics now. GOTY 2015?
C.Olimar788
Member
It's certainly the most charming level editor ever created.
Also it... looks like the NES SMB levels has the same physics for Mario as NES SMB, doesn't it? I hope that means that each "game type" has its own set of physics to play with. I also like how many animation touches they added to the NES SMB style - things like the spinning Koopa shells go a long way towards making it feel like a proper "remaster" then just a ported level editor.
I'm casually optimistic for the whole thing, I'll admit.
Also it... looks like the NES SMB levels has the same physics for Mario as NES SMB, doesn't it? I hope that means that each "game type" has its own set of physics to play with. I also like how many animation touches they added to the NES SMB style - things like the spinning Koopa shells go a long way towards making it feel like a proper "remaster" then just a ported level editor.
I'm casually optimistic for the whole thing, I'll admit.
GayForMaster
Banned
Sorry guys I opened my mouth before watching and holy shit that level around 35:00 has my so excited. I didn't think you could make levels that big, although I still don't think checkpoints are that much necessary. This video is so hilarious as well. Will be watching the rest.
SpiceMelange
Member
Not at all. you cannot shift back your momentum in the air this much in smb1. It's exactly like the modern marios movement wise but visually the sprite don't actually flip the other direction (like how it visually was in smb1).
Sir_Crocodile
Member
SpiceMelange
Member
¯\_(ツ
Except it doesnt look anywhere like the smb1 physics. at all. =/.
C.Olimar788
Member
It's hard to tell in just a video, I suppose. It looks like SMB physics to me, but I'd like to be proven wrong. On the other hand, though, NSMB physics feels kinda pointless to me if you're not going to also make sure the player can triple jump, wall jump, ground pound and the like. At the very least, it looks like it's maybe a little more responsive and less slippery than SMB is?¯\_(ツ
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Here's what I assume. Regardless of he style you use the jump distance, weight etc will all be the same and NSMB like. However when playing tbe NSMB style you're simply given acess to a bigger moveset that includes wall jump, ground pound etc.
I think the first video with the dance mat was actually SMB. Not a SMB level in Mario Maker, which is why the physics looked like that. I think anyway.
Yeah, good point.
Do we know if there will be community sharing? Not just swapping codes with friends? Hopefully GAF can help if it's just swapping codes but it might be hard to get exposure to a lot of decent content still.
Yeah, good point.
Do we know if there will be community sharing? Not just swapping codes with friends? Hopefully GAF can help if it's just swapping codes but it might be hard to get exposure to a lot of decent content still.
TheMoon
Member
We don't know anything other than that we can share stuff online.
My guess is that they just lift the sharing systems from Pushmo World or Tipping Stars, both are world-wide and work well AFAIK.