The game is delayed for you guys - then what? The publisher can also delay a game entirely by a few days for everyone. I don't know any instances where a publisher offered people compensation or reduced the price of the game after delaying a game. They can delay their game as much as they want to - they don't owe people anything by delaying a game.
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New trend of releasing higher priced version of a game earlier
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Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Excuse me? It seems you clearly have no idea what a delay is.
johnnydrama
Banned
This thread is the very definition of uninformed outrage.
MS?
Sony's got 30 days early access on a MULTIPLATFORM game. Sony pioneered the whole "break multiplatform games up with platform-exclusive DLC" nonsense. If you want anti-consumer, how about that? Oh, want to enjoy Destiny on the Xbox? Sorry, if you do, you're not going to be playing on certain multiplayer maps or getting various cool items, like the Jade Rabbit (one of my favorite guns in a video game, ever).
Oh, and Sony's the one dumping a bunch of old games on gamers calling them "remasters" instead of A) properly remastering them (which Microsoft has done), or B) not just doing backwards compatibility (which Microsoft has done).
Microsoft is the most pro-consumer party holder out there. Nintendo shuts down mods and stuff; won't even let people monetize videos. Microsoft, on the other hand, has it written into their legal stuff that people can make mods based around their stuff, and they also don't put copyright claims on people's videos for innocent content.
If your console breaks down, Microsoft's way better to work with than Sony; the warranty costs are way better with Microsoft as well. AND Microsoft will give you free XBL time to make up for the time you missed while your console was dead.
In a discussion about what's pro and anti-consumer, Microsoft should be presented as an example of how to do things right, because they do it right more often than not. Heck, even the original Xbox One plans were intended to be pro-consumer, if you want to get into that discussion.
Oh, and then there's the whole thing about Sony refusing to let people go cross-platform--MS and Valve are down for it, but not Sony.
Let's not forget how insecure Sony is with our passwords and data either. Plaintext storage, wasn't it?
Early access for a preorder doesn't bug me that much. If the game's gone gold, why not?
It's releasing on a Friday.
Games in the US release on Tuesday. It's a retail/shipment thing here. It's not that the game's being 'delayed,' really.
I'm fine with it, but then I have always bought the Forza season pass + VIP anyway, so it's just a nice bonus for me. The melodramatic responses about the standard version being delayed, standard version is for poor people, Ultimate Edition is for whales etc. is pretty amusing to read, cheers.
ambar_hitman
Member
EA and Ubisoft mostly. MS isn't that bad. Yes they wanted to screw everyone over with original plans for Xbone, few even fell for it. But they rolled it back.
SolarMystic
Member
Considering the Forza games are $60 plus $50 for the car pass, your actually getting a discount going with the ultimate edition.
VIP and early access are just free bonuses.
This is especially cool that it gets a physical ultimate edition. If you have GCU or Prime, you save even more.
VIP and early access are just free bonuses.
This is especially cool that it gets a physical ultimate edition. If you have GCU or Prime, you save even more.
esmith08734
Member
I like the idea of it being able to play games a few days early if you preorder. It gives people more of a reason to preorder.
If it was the vanilla, standard edition game being sold on a markup a few days early, I wouldn't touch it.
If it was the vanilla, standard edition game being sold on a markup a few days early, I wouldn't touch it.
Grim Patron
Member
What did Sony do to you lol
Isn't the base game still 60-69$? I don't see prices lowering.
But yeah, it's a cheap moneymaking scheme and it works. Same with the roulette-style lootcrates that are extremely prevalent in games everywhere now. Get them hooked early with a bunch of crates/boxes to open and the seed for addiction is planted and the barrier to spend real money is lowered.
Game companies and publishers prey on our mindset of instant gratification and exploit the addicting aspects of gambling mechanics to have people spend more and more money on a single release.
And so far it's working beautifully, so you'd basically be stupid to not follow along with that trend. Can't knock the hustle. I'm only annoyed when people are blatantly oblivious to these practices and try to defend it by pretending the 'content' they receive is worth it.
Caayn
Member
The more pubs/devs push pre-order bonuses, the less I'm actually inclined to pre-order. I pre-ordered a lot of games before they started with pre-order bonuses, now a days I pre-order nothing.
Why would I? Major games are always plenty in stock, lesser known games will practically always be available because of the lower demand and digital will never run out of stock.
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
This is a little different, but there was a mom and pop game shop that always broke Street date around where I live. At first the games were priced normally, but slowly the early release prices began to raise. I'll never forget going to pick up GTA5 and seeing a $80 price tag. Walked right back out. I don't care if it's straight from the studio, or whoever, but greed will always set in and they'll try to make more money if possible. This is one of those things. I don't like it.
Megatron
Member
As I recall, Sony also had games with online passes. I dont think microsoft first party games ever did.
You also left off Sony not allowing ps1 games on ps4, and reselling ps2 games on ps4 for $15 regardless of whether you already bought them on ps3.
Seems like OP hit a nerve.
Exploratory
Banned
Consumers will criticize most things a business does. Many things in gaming are worth our ire this isn't one of them.
oo7
Member
End of discussion.
M
Macapala
Unconfirmed Member
$20 to play 3 days earlier??? HAHAHA! What a fucking joke.
It's not quite as cut and dry as he suggested.
The version of the game that comes bundled with the Season pass has 3 days extra.
So you aren't paying $20 extra for 3 days or extra play, that is just a perk of buying it all bundled.
There is no price benefit for buying It together, just that you get to buy it sooner, which if you are buying the season pass for on Day 1, is probably actually pretty damn exciting.
oo7
Member
Erm...
The Early Enlister Deluxe Edition Includes:
Early Access on October 18th. Hit the ground first with Early Enlister Early Access, which lets you play the full game early on October 18th.
The Hellfighter Pack. Fight like hell and give no ground with the Hellfighter Pack. Inspired by The Harlem Hellfighters, the first African-American infantry unit and one of the toughest of the Great War, this pack contains themed items based on their heroic deeds.
The Red Baron Pack. Take to the skies with the Red Baron Pack, crammed with items inspired by the famous fighter pilot, the flying ace of the German air force.
The Lawrence of Arabia Pack. See another side of the war with the Lawrence of Arabia Pack. Grab items and weapons based on the adventures of the famous archaeologist and diplomat who played a pivotal role in the Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire.
3x vehicle skins. Make sure your enemies know who's coming for them with skins on three of the largest vehicles in the game.
5x Battlepacks. Prepare for battle with five additional Battlepacks, stuffed full of all the gear you need to hold your ground in an all-out war.
Yep. 20 bucks extra just for early access. FFS people.
NONE of the games listed are "pay more to play early". It's a damn added bonus. Does not affect you in any way.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I don't see the issue. A release date is set. A game generally goes gold a few weeks before so it's technically ready to go once it's gold.
Why not let those willing to pay for the premium edition feel a little better about their purchase by letting them play early.
Why not let those willing to pay for the premium edition feel a little better about their purchase by letting them play early.
Gunmonkey36
Member
As long as it stays an incentive tied in with actual content (i.e. season pass) its gonna be alright.
The moment they start just charging an additional fee for early access. That's gonna be when things get rough.
The moment they start just charging an additional fee for early access. That's gonna be when things get rough.
deadscreensky
Member
<3
I'll totally let you know how the Forza Horizon 3 port is.
And I might even be honest!
But yeah, I like that it also tests servers and so on a bit. Like Horizon 3 already had the issue where apparently level ups were giving 1 billion credits in-game, which hit the first few owners and has already been fixed. Ideally software would release flawless, but we need to be pragmatic -- it doesn't.
Exactly. I got content I wanted at a discount. The early release thing is just a small bonus (and honestly I'm fairly busy this weekend so I'll barely get to take advantage). I would never pay extra for early access...
...except when I pay extra for Early Access, which is actually pretty common with games and has been for years now. Like I'm planning on probably grabbing Smash + Grab in Early Access because I've enjoyed the betas so much. If anything that's 'worse', in consumer terms, because we're paying for an early but lesser product. I know some people think Early Access is terrrible, full-stop, but I don't think most gamers have a real issue with it as a concept.
I know what we're talking about is slightly different than traditional Early Access, but it's not a completely radical shift.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I still think this is literally nothing.
TheFurizzlyBear
Member
Cus it is nothing. If you removed the 4 days early access and sold it at the same price nobody would feel like it was overpriced.
texhnolyze
Banned
It's been a trend in mmorpg release scenes since years ago.
Primethius
Banned
It's DocSeuss.
It doesn't matter what the actual price is. As long as some people are paying more for the same game, then technically other people are being "subsidized" by them. The publishers/developers can use the extra money they made with these early editions to make free content updates, provide better customer support, or even fund future DLC or sequels. Things that benefit everyone.
Something that SE wanted to do with Mankind Divided. "Augment your pre-order and get things like unlocking game 4 days before others!" was theme of pre-order marketing at one point, but was walked back after major community backslash.
Augment your pre-order!
Will this be next big trend in gaming industry in attempt to push pre-orders, maybe even at premium price point? In some games this can lead to advantages [e.g. unlocks in BF1] over those who don't pre-order these editions while others it's just intended as perk to push pre-orders as much as possible.
Is this something you want to see happening more in future from publishers with multiple titles or would we be better off if these kind pre-order incentives didn't come into gaming?
Augment your pre-order!
Soon after or was it during E3 2016 EA came out with "Battlefield™ 1 Early Enlister Deluxe Edition". It costs 80€ instead of 60€ of Standard Edition. Difference is that you get to play on 18th October instead of 21st of October. Pre-order and pay extra and you get to play 4 days earlier than others!
Latest publisher and title to jump on this train is Bethesda with Dishonored 2! Pre-order now and get to play one day earlier than others!
https://twitter.com/dishonored/status/781548726829580288
Will this be next big trend in gaming industry in attempt to push pre-orders, maybe even at premium price point? In some games this can lead to advantages [e.g. unlocks in BF1] over those who don't pre-order these editions while others it's just intended as perk to push pre-orders as much as possible.
Is this something you want to see happening more in future from publishers with multiple titles or would we be better off if these kind pre-order incentives didn't come into gaming?
Caayn
Member
Thread from a few days ago: New trend of releasing higher priced version of a game earlier
This is not something that I want to see. I already dislike pre-ordering as it is. Makes me feel like my money isn't good enough.
This is not something that I want to see. I already dislike pre-ordering as it is. Makes me feel like my money isn't good enough.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Such a dumb trend
Makes me pissed off and even less inclined to pre-order
Makes me pissed off and even less inclined to pre-order
BananasWithGuns
Member
Worked on me for Gears 4 so, guess I'm part of the problem.
Iva Demilcol
Member
I preordered Dark Souls III and played it one month earlier =D
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