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[ShemhazaiX]

This doesn't make any sense.

Scotland voted for status quo. Now the status quo changed against their will. Scotland deserves another chance to decide its fate because the conditions have changed dramatically.

Not to even mention that one of the threats against Scottish independence was that they won't be able to (easily) join EU.

If Scotland leaves then the Status Quo has changed even more for the UK. We voted on EU membership, not on the breaking up of the United Kingdom.

Not that I voted leave at all. This entire thing is a gigantic clusterfuck that should never have been put to the public in the first place.

 

[Seanbob11]

I'm unhappy with how the vote turned out, but already going on about another Indy ref isn't right just now.

We need to know what the deal will be when we divorce from Europe, and that won't be for another couple of years. Can't believe we Scottish would vote for Indy when we most certainly would not keep the pound now and oil prices are less than half what they were for the first referendum.

A very sad day.

 

[kharma45]

Scotland's better off out of the UK at this point.

Seeing the SNP budget for independence this time around will be interesting.

 

[Joni]

If Scotland leaves then the Status Quo has changed even more for the UK. We voted on EU membership, not on the breaking up of the United Kingdom.

Except that this was shown as an important potential consequence.

 

[KingSnake]

It might seem rushed and some people would want to play the wait and see game, but I think that actually the faster this is done the more opportunities for Scotland will be. Just think at all the companies that now try to relocate out of UK, Scotland could actually compete for that. It could seem unfair, but Ireland and Scotland might benefit from UK's leave.

 

[Xieldos]

My entire family voted Yes last time, voted Remain in the EU referendum, so of course we'll be YES again this time.

 

[Juicy Bob]

Yeah, if another referendum is called I am betting solidly on Scotland going this time.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

It might seem rushed and some people would want to play the wait and see game, but I think that actually the faster this is done the more opportunities for Scotland will be. Just think at all the companies that now try to relocate out of UK, Scotland could actually compete for that. It could seem unfair, but Ireland and Scotland might benefit from UK's leave.

Yep. It's like a bandaid. It hurts less it just rip it off.

If I were Scotland, I'd be making overtures to companies and services in London who are jittery about the long term effects of the Brexit.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

I wouldn't want to stay with England either.

Like one of the main arguments of the Better Together camp was that Scotland wouldn't be able to join the EU on their own

 

[Palette Swap]

This sounds fair, and I'm curious to see how leavers are going to explain why this shouldn't happen.

If Scotland leaves then the Status Quo has changed even more for the UK. We voted on EU membership, not on the breaking up of the United Kingdom.

Not that I voted leave at all. This entire thing is a gigantic clusterfuck that should never have been put to the public in the first place.

This really underlines how catastrophically incompetent Cameron turned out to be.

 

[jm89]

Go for it, rid yourselves of this mess.

 

[Drencrom]

Good, Scotland deserves better

 

[Hasney]

Honestly, following a theoretical independence vote, everything would be unstable. May as well do it now while the entire UK is fucked as the pain will be felt less.

Good luck Scotland, hope you free yourselves from our mess even though I'd be sad to see you go.

 

[AGoodODST]

There is definitely a mandate after that result.

Lots of word about No voters changing their minds from 2014. But will it be enough?

 

[ferrasvansen]

There is definitely a mandate after that result.

Lots of word about No voters changing their minds from 2014. But will it be enough?

Yeah just wait till Boris is PM. More hated that Thatcher was after the poll tax, hence why the Scottish Tories may have to break away fro the UK party, they know they would be destroyed if they do not. I reckon with Boris as PM it would be a landslide and without still healthy yes vote. Still can't believe I'm saying this.

 

[Neo C.]

It would be very smart to go independent ASAP, the EU would be happy to make England look bad and therefore will offer Scotland some nice special conditions.

 

[eizarus]

oh come on. The call for a second referendum is not a new thing that is caused by this referendum.

London has a bigger population than scotland and also voted to stay, should they gain independance? No of course not. We are in this together.

London is not a nation. Scotland is. Just because London has a bigger population doesn't mean it gets the same rules and regulations as a nation.

Spoiler

Were you serious with that comparison?

 

[Vagabundo]

Ah sure the Euro ain't so bad lads. Handy on holiday.

 

[OriginalThinking]

I'll be voting for independence on the proviso we can apply to enter the EU or stay within it.

 

[Eidan]

Good on Scotland.

 

[SeriuzBiznus]

I'd hate to see Scotland leave, but as a remain voter, I can completely understand why they'd want to. I'm only sorry they can't take London with them (halp!).

 

[CyclopsRock]

It would be very smart to go independent ASAP, the EU would be happy to make England look bad and therefore will offer Scotland some nice special conditions.

Yeah, no. Scotland isn't going to get accepted into the EU as long as Spain's in it after a unilateral declaration of independence and besides, it remains to be seen whether being in an EU without a FTA with the rUK would even be in Scotland's interests.

 

[Dryk]

If Scotland leaves then the Status Quo has changed even more for the UK. We voted on EU membership, not on the breaking up of the United Kingdom.

This was an entirely foreseeable consequence of a Leave victory.

 

[Jonnax]

oh come on. The call for a second referendum is not a new thing that is caused by this referendum.

London has a bigger population than scotland and also voted to stay, should they gain independance? No of course not. We are in this together.

No. Scotland didn't vote for the Tories and got them. And they didn't vote to get out of the EU and got it.

I don't quite see where they have to be together with an England that dictates what they have to do.

 

[Measley]

I can't believe this is happening. This is like the Berlin Wall coming down.

 

[Betty]

I'm voting yes all the way, I don't want to break up the UK but I don't want to stand with England after they just shot a cannonball into their own ship.

 

[dragonbane]

I love Scotland so much. Come join us guys

 

[Kabouter]

Yeah, no. Scotland isn't going to get accepted into the EU as long as Spain's in it after a unilateral declaration of independence and besides, it remains to be seen whether being in an EU without a FTA with the rUK would even be in Scotland's interests.

Yeah, as much as I wanted the UK to remain part of the EU, I don't think it would be in the Scottish best interest to separate themselves from the UK unless it can be done in such a way that trade and travel between them and the UK isn't impeded too much.

 

[Chuckie]

Wow, this could be history in the making.

I've always been for an independent Scotland, but truth be told, that was because of Braveheart. I was surprised the majority voted against it last time.

 

[gdt]

I can't believe this is happening. This is like the Berlin Wall coming down.

It really is. A monumental moment in history.



Fuck.

 

[Hot Coldman]

If they declare independence before the UK finishes pulling out of the EU, would they actually need to negotiate re-entry into the EU? I'm guessing "yes" but I gather it's probably a complicated situation for sure.

 

[StayDead]

Vote independence and bring London and the home counties with you please. We wanted to remain too

 

[Zelias]

As an Englishman, I was neutral leaning towards stay last time.

After the EU vote, I'm all for their independence... so long as they take me with them.

 

[MassiveNights]

Yeah, as much as I wanted the UK to remain part of the EU, I don't think it would be in the Scottish best interest to separate themselves from the UK unless it can be done in such a way that trade and travel between them and the UK isn't impeded too much.

That's exactly what the independence campaign said would happen last time.

We don't want to put up a wall and become isolationist. Quite the opposite.

It's not a typical nationalism.

 

[darkwing]

It would be very smart to go independent ASAP, the EU would be happy to make England look bad and therefore will offer Scotland some nice special conditions.

I'd imagine EU companies in UK would just move to Scotland?

 

[Acorn]

C'mon we'll get free of this mess of fucking disgusting right wingers dictating our future.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Yeah, as much as I wanted the UK to remain part of the EU, I don't think it would be in the Scottish best interest to separate themselves from the UK unless it can be done in such a way that trade and travel between them and the UK isn't impeded too much.

Yeah I don't think trade would be impacted, sure maybe some minor inconveniences but where there is a will there is a way, the Status Quo cannot continue after today.

 

[Pankratous]

As an Englishman, I was neutral leaning towards stay last time.

After the EU vote, I'm all for their independence... so long as they take me with them.

Your post gives me a question actually.

If an Englishman moves to Scotland, which is technically the same country of residence (passport wise), can they vote for independence? What would they have to do to be able to do that?

 

[Dennis]

So the UK is legit falling apart now?

 

[darkwing]

So the UK is legit falling apart now?

UK can survive without Scotland

 

[Silent Chief]

This doesn't make any sense.

Scotland voted for status quo. Now the status quo changed against their will. Scotland deserves another chance to decide its fate because the conditions have changed dramatically.

Not to even mention that one of the threats against Scottish independence was that they won't be able to (easily) join EU.

It's a race to leave the sinking UK and grab all the EU jobs England doesn't seem to want.

 

[Silent Chief]

I'd imagine EU companies in UK would just move to Scotland?

Foreign investment too. And not just the EU. UK is too unstable to stay there now.

 

[TDLink]

So the UK is legit falling apart now?

Yes

UK can survive without Scotland

They'd be significantly weaker without Scotland. Northern Ireland is also threatening to reintegrate with the rest of Ireland (though I find that more unlike than Scottish independence, for now). So there's a real threat the UK will be broken up.

 

[kharma45]

Yes



They'd be significantly weaker without Scotland. Northern Ireland is also threatening to reintegrate with the rest of Ireland (though I find that more unlike than Scottish independence, for now). So there's a real threat the UK will be broken up.

Northern Ireland aren't, only one party is calling for it.

 

[Sulik2]

We are literally watching a country rip itself apart at the ballot box. I don't honestly know if we have ever seen anything quite like what is happening in the UK in history.

 

[TDLink]

Northern Ireland aren't, only one party is calling for it.

Sure but the idea is out there now and it's not out of the realm of possibility. I don't think N. Ireland matters much to the strength of the UK either way though. Losing Scotland would be a big blow and is the most likely to leave at this point.

 

[Knoxcore]

Is there a mechanism to go independent without a referendum?

 

[Lord Thrappleper The 49th]

I was happy that scotland voted to keep the union alive. And i honestly believe we're better together. But now i support your independence. The braindead british public need to accept the consequences of their actions. We shouldnt have to drag a good country like scotland down with us.

 

[Orbis]

I was happy that scotland voted to keep the union alive. And i honestly believe we're better together. But now i support your independence. The braindead british public need to accept the consequences of their actions. We shouldnt have to drag a good country like scotland down with us.

Agreed, I was happy with Scotland staying in the UK but I feel that Scotland should be allowed to hold a second referendum based on this outcome.

 

[Mr-Joker]

Not surprised and I actually considering making real steps in moving back to Scotland.

Even though they got a ton of EU funding while putting in less, they chose to leave.

So yeah.

Well that was sure smart of the Welsh. ¬_¬;

They'd be significantly weaker without Scotland. Northern Ireland is also threatening to reintegrate with the rest of Ireland (though I find that more unlike than Scottish independence, for now). So there's a real threat the UK will be broken up.

It will be an end of an era if the UK ends up being no more.