Radical Edward
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What are the implications? Did you also take issue with Steve Martin's tweet about Carrie Fisher?
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NieR: Automata Interview w/ Saito, Taro, Taura & Preview
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â Narayan
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That song is awesome. J'Nique Nicole provides vocals for it.
Extended version taken from the PS4 theme.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
No its not, you are seconding/disregarding every other aspect of character/characterization to their appearance, and that's not right at all.
Of course ANY character is "authored", but if you can't get past their appearance and actually engage with how that character functions within the narrative (also authored), your complaint is, by definition, superficial.
Kaine's appearance is just one of a multitude of misdirections that service the core message of the story: Specifically that things are not always what they seem and reacting based on appearances alone leads to misery and disaster.
This is not tokenism or mere titillation, it is intrinsic to the story and the entirety of the NG+ cycle relentlessly hammers the point home.
Can you say the same thing about the other example you cite?
BRSxIgnition
Member
Honestly I don't think it's worth keeping this thread open anymore - it was good for a few replies, but now everyone is responding to a single person making a mountain out of a near non-existent molehill.
The quoted issue has much of its context removed, and is exaggerated through personal assumptions. I had never even heard about Crossing Eden before this thread, and I believe they are blowing things grossly out of proportion.
I say this as someone that hated Quiet's design and purpose in MGSV, but can completely understand all the trans and other individuals who identify with and support Kaine.
Either way, I think there's a lot of interesting information in the other 90% of the interview, and this thread would be much more interesting and worthwhile of we spoke more about that. (IMO)
The quoted issue has much of its context removed, and is exaggerated through personal assumptions. I had never even heard about Crossing Eden before this thread, and I believe they are blowing things grossly out of proportion.
I say this as someone that hated Quiet's design and purpose in MGSV, but can completely understand all the trans and other individuals who identify with and support Kaine.
Either way, I think there's a lot of interesting information in the other 90% of the interview, and this thread would be much more interesting and worthwhile of we spoke more about that. (IMO)
Kazuo Hirai
I really want everyone to know how much more Titanfall 2 sold than Nioh. It was a staggering amount.
What?He is the director of Darkengard 3?
Isn't this game bad-mouth as No Man Sky?
Isn't this game bad-mouth as No Man Sky?
How is she not normalized? She's basically treated the same as everyone else within the group and her experience with abuse (including the bullying towards her gender identity) even gives her the ability to become a mentor figure to Emil. Based on her own principles, she teaches him not to care what society thinks of him, his eyes, or his appearance. I think that's pretty positive.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Can... can we just focus on the preview and be hyped about Nier Automata? Is that too much to ask...?
No. Drakengard 3 was a great game filled with really crappy technical problems because it was done on such a tiny budget by the studio that did Deadly Premonition.
Valkerionseven
Member
I find it refreshing that a designer can simply say "I made it like this and approved this because I just like it #thetruthdealwithit2017"
When I see some weird justification on why a character is made in some way, particularly sexy, I just want to ask them simply "Is part of the reason as simple as, 'hey I liked it'?" Would be a massively better way of going about these things lol.
Like if they ever interview the DoA5 team on why they introduced Marie Rose and why she has replaced Kasumi as the poster girl, I would want them to just admit "because we know there is a fraction of the audience that likes the 20's beautiful women type, but we also know there is a hardcore group who love lolis and idols, we knew if we pandered to that crowd we would make crazy money" blam.
When I see some weird justification on why a character is made in some way, particularly sexy, I just want to ask them simply "Is part of the reason as simple as, 'hey I liked it'?" Would be a massively better way of going about these things lol.
Like if they ever interview the DoA5 team on why they introduced Marie Rose and why she has replaced Kasumi as the poster girl, I would want them to just admit "because we know there is a fraction of the audience that likes the 20's beautiful women type, but we also know there is a hardcore group who love lolis and idols, we knew if we pandered to that crowd we would make crazy money" blam.
AlexFlame116
Member
We should move on from the other topic. Back to the original reason for the thread please.
Like who do I have to beg for NieR 3???
Like who do I have to beg for NieR 3???
BRSxIgnition
Member
Well, telling everyone you know who likes Action RPGs about the game and getting word of mouth out might help sales which may help us get a remaster of the original or even a sequel.
But I rather focus on the game right in front of us rather than a sequel to it, right now.
I assure you it's Yoko Taro's games that do all the bad-mouthing and more.
AlexFlame116
Member
This one please!
I didn't know what to talk about so I choose NieR 3 haha! Can't tell people to change the subject without thinking of something to discuss so I spit out the first thing on my mind.
killatopak
Gold Member
Isn't it implied in one of the interviews that there was a plan to make automata like the first one and have two versions? Taro said he was tired and bored of making two versions so they just made 2B and 9S both playable. It also makes them focus on a single version and makes the budget combine into a single version.
This is from the Mass Effect community thread, but I'm posting it hear because I think Automata has narrative ambitions to cover this topic and I'm curious if people agree or not. This is the conclusion I've arrived at based on the trailers so far.
The original post is twice as long, but the rest is just about the quality of ME3s ending specifically, so I cut it. I know EatChildren is looking forward to this game too, so maybe he'll see this and weigh in himself.
The original post is twice as long, but the rest is just about the quality of ME3s ending specifically, so I cut it. I know EatChildren is looking forward to this game too, so maybe he'll see this and weigh in himself.
plutoknight
Member
I really hope the final boss of Nier: automata is just a glorified Parappa the Rapper level. Complete with animated 2D ART!
Also, spoilers for Drakengard 3:
Also, spoilers for Drakengard 3:
I wonder if the black and white "base" or whatever has something to do with how Taro has used black and white in the first and third Drakengards. Has he ever spoken on that...well who am I kidding it's Taro so probably not seriously
Quintin DM
Member
Yoko Taro's interview responses are always so entertaining LOL
Scrooge McDuck
Member
I won't say that it's a huge problem or whatever, but I have to say that it does rub me the wrong way.
If he said "I like sexy women" I'd be more fine with, but he didn't. What he said came off as if it's a given that liking women means wanting them to be sexy.
Come on, there are like six active hype threads about this game in the last day alone. People are responding to things in the OP. It's not some kind of a Nier-subjugation.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Well, we can talk about the fact that apparently you can get certain endings by
dying
Then there's the fact that people are calling it a "derail", when it was a comment directly related to a quote in the interview.
Everything in the interview is fair game for discussion.
Yes, asking for every thread on a game to be a hype train echo chamber is too much to ask.
Right, it's absolutely entirely kitschy. That's it. There don't need to be a bunch of layers imposed on top of that.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Literally perfect.
Even if the game flops, Yoko Taro will always be #1 in my heart.
Even if the game flops, Yoko Taro will always be #1 in my heart.
An explosion of honesty! lol
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Handwaving someone's personal experience, and reducing the incredibly bold and progressive decision to make a 30 minute novel section exclusively focused on the childhood of the intersex woman who plays the role of leading woman be the centerpiece of the game as "a literal wall of text."
You have really jumped the shark with this one, man.
BRSxIgnition
Member
Considering the question was literally - and I quote...
... and he just picked the latter, I have to say I like it too.
Much better to see him being honest rather than him trying to Hideo out of it. (Thank god Kaine in NieR was handled so much better than Quiet in MGSV)
As indicated above, he was picking one of two options. (i.e: "Is there a reason behind 2B's design in particular, or is it just because you like pretty women?")
All he said is that it was the latter.
Caipirinha
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Scrooge McDuck
Member
Yar, I understand that. As I said, it's not really a big problem to me. It's a short throwaway answer by a person who tend to be half-serious all the time in an interview involving three languages.
I am just explaining why my immediate feeling skewed negative at the moment it was said. It seems that many people think these kind of things get criticisms merely because somebody dares to like sexy women, while it's the tendency to see sexiness as women's default state is what I'm weary and wary of.
BRSxIgnition
Member
I understand where you're coming from, and that can be an issue - but I don't think it's the issue here.
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GrayChild
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Considering that Famitsu's reviews are based on hype alone and that the game is ranked on top in the Japanese Amazon, I guess it should perform great in Japan at least.
I care when it suits my interests ;D
Cindy and Kaine have become a large portion of this thread now. This is a thread about Nier Automata, though.
http://rologeass.tumblr.com/post/157230876416/nier-automata-famitsu-review-and-score-about-10
Bit more detail on the Famitsu review, some of which includes how long it takes to beat it
Bit more detail on the Famitsu review, some of which includes how long it takes to beat it
About 10 hours to clear the First Ending
30 hours to clear the Last Ending
Production quality and music are wonderful
When R2 evade button mastered, it becomes more interesting
The characteristics of Yoko Taro works are well presented and the fans will surely enjoyed it
The battle was exhilarating and moving me!
I wish the loading time was a little short
The difficulty adjustment is great and well balanced
Auto parts customization can be difficult
30 hours to clear the Last Ending
Production quality and music are wonderful
When R2 evade button mastered, it becomes more interesting
The characteristics of Yoko Taro works are well presented and the fans will surely enjoyed it
The battle was exhilarating and moving me!
I wish the loading time was a little short
The difficulty adjustment is great and well balanced
Auto parts customization can be difficult
Kazuo Hirai
I really want everyone to know how much more Titanfall 2 sold than Nioh. It was a staggering amount.
killatopak
Gold Member
I wanna know if finishing the game makes you start halfway just like nier. That would cut down replay time and allow for more endings if the
30 hour final ending is correct
Madeupfred
Neo Member
The culture war has completely fried your brain.
Funyarinpa
Member
Come on. I agree that the wording is not perfect, but no person is mandated to always express themselves in a way that it can't be misinterpreted outside of context. It seems like some people here are really headstrong about demanding perfect wording from a person under all circumstances.
That sentence just needs context to be properly understood. That's it.
That sentence just needs context to be properly understood. That's it.