â Narayan
Member
And then he left Team Ninja in the following two days. :lolZonar said:
I was calling stuff out on this game left and right, and almost NOBODY shared my opinion. I'm glad to see a change in perspective.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Ninja Gaiden II: The Official GAF Thread of Chaos
- Thread starter a Master Ninja
- Start date
I was calling stuff out on this game left and right, and almost NOBODY shared my opinion. I'm glad to see a change in perspective.
Jamesfrom818
Banned
Manager said:
I played 2 and a half hours of NG2 last night, my first play since the demo.
I got Master Ninja on the first two levels (not a real measure of skill, IMO).
I'm a bit underwhelmed. I really like fighting the standard enemies, especially the ninjas and daemons and whatnot. But I was kind of disappointed with a few things:
1. The Camera - Jittering along walls, the environments and the camera do not play nice. Also when it zooms in for the Y button kills, it looks awesome, but it simultaneously obscures my view of the action and makes me reset the camera even more. I think the tighter environments and the camera action of the Y button kills were a poor design choice. This was not as much of an issue for me in the original NG and NGS.
2. Certain enemies/bosses - Unlike when I played the original NG, I feel like the bosses and certain enemies have no real rhyme or reason about them. For example, the boss that you fight after meeting your father, I felt like beating him was a matter of dumb luck, as he'll randomly stop his combo and allow you to hit him, or continue into another combo instantly with no lag. You can't stop and watch him for a lag because he seems to randomly chain attacks, and I felt like it was hard to see any kind of cause/effect with him. I died a few times, but I didn't really change how I played and still won. There are other enemies, like the ninja dogs, that I need to figure out more before I judge, but I do feel like many bosses and enemies feel arbitrary.
3. Graphics/Framerate - Wow, why does the game randomly have slowdown for 30-45 seconds? It barely looks better than Sigma, the only thing that's different is the bodies staying where they are, but other than that it looks sometimes better, sometimes worse than Sigma. The fire effects on level 2 were pretty poor, and kind of made the game look cheesier than it should have. The gore and stuff looks great though, obviously. Animations are also perfect. But slowdown... I was really shocked.
It's definitely a high quality title, but #2 is really killing me.
I wonder if it improves as the game continues...
And maybe I'm just shitty, does the lvl2 boss have any kind of pattern, or is there any way to tell when he's open, or when he's going to continue his combo?
I got Master Ninja on the first two levels (not a real measure of skill, IMO).
I'm a bit underwhelmed. I really like fighting the standard enemies, especially the ninjas and daemons and whatnot. But I was kind of disappointed with a few things:
1. The Camera - Jittering along walls, the environments and the camera do not play nice. Also when it zooms in for the Y button kills, it looks awesome, but it simultaneously obscures my view of the action and makes me reset the camera even more. I think the tighter environments and the camera action of the Y button kills were a poor design choice. This was not as much of an issue for me in the original NG and NGS.
2. Certain enemies/bosses - Unlike when I played the original NG, I feel like the bosses and certain enemies have no real rhyme or reason about them. For example, the boss that you fight after meeting your father, I felt like beating him was a matter of dumb luck, as he'll randomly stop his combo and allow you to hit him, or continue into another combo instantly with no lag. You can't stop and watch him for a lag because he seems to randomly chain attacks, and I felt like it was hard to see any kind of cause/effect with him. I died a few times, but I didn't really change how I played and still won. There are other enemies, like the ninja dogs, that I need to figure out more before I judge, but I do feel like many bosses and enemies feel arbitrary.
3. Graphics/Framerate - Wow, why does the game randomly have slowdown for 30-45 seconds? It barely looks better than Sigma, the only thing that's different is the bodies staying where they are, but other than that it looks sometimes better, sometimes worse than Sigma. The fire effects on level 2 were pretty poor, and kind of made the game look cheesier than it should have. The gore and stuff looks great though, obviously. Animations are also perfect. But slowdown... I was really shocked.
It's definitely a high quality title, but #2 is really killing me.
I wonder if it improves as the game continues...
And maybe I'm just shitty, does the lvl2 boss have any kind of pattern, or is there any way to tell when he's open, or when he's going to continue his combo?
Classic_Gs
Member
Without the "lets drop the framerate to 1" then sure, and man Genshin and Elizabet!! Crap that is going to CRAZY.Cahill said:
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
KTallguy said:
Who is that, Genshin? If so, yes, he has pretty obvious patterns/combos which you can gage in order to get in and attack.
The camera: it bugged me at first. Now I have it raised almost to the highest sensitivity (probably one notch below) and it's perfect. I've found that manually rotating it w/ the right analog during movement is the best thing to do.
Framerate's a tragedy but not horrible and the game looks better than Sigma imo, esp. later levels but who really cares.
Just play it more. And more.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
KTallguy said:
Uh uh. No help for you. This is Ninja Gaiden!
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
KTallguy said::lol
Well I beat him... randomly
Is it really worth it to download that patch?
I would say yes. Game seems smoother since it and also it fixes the Chap.10 glitch so you don't have to worry about auto-saving anymore. Still, if you want to see Itakagi say "FUCK YOU" and throw about 30+ enemies at you all at the same time while ascending sacrificial altar-like steps so that the frame-rate turns into that scene from the Matrix w/ Neo & Trinity in the lobby and you don't give a shit because it's so damn epic and badass and fun, well, then don't.
wayward archer
Member
U K Narayan said:
The game has it's problems but the good far outweighs the bad for me.
â Narayan
Member
Yeah. It's not a bad game. It's just not as good as Ninja Gaiden Black. That's what I think, anyway.wayward archer said:
I've been replaying the game and I'm enjoying it a bit.
Meteor_of_War
Member
Mission mode should have been part of the game originally, IMO. Just an excuse to get us to fork over extra $$. I suppose that's the way of MS and the Xbox 360 though.
I might still get it, just because I enjoyed the game so much and would love some new content. I'll wait though to see if it's fun challenging, or cheap, aggravating challenging.
I might still get it, just because I enjoyed the game so much and would love some new content. I'll wait though to see if it's fun challenging, or cheap, aggravating challenging.
Meteor_of_War
Member
Hmm...I wouldnt doubt Microsoft played a part in the idea of releasing the Mission Mode separately and for a price a couple months after the game's release.
Reminds me of when Epic wanted to release GoW bonus packs for free but MS wouldnt have it. And the problems with user made mods for UT3 on the X360. All due to Microsoft's greed.
Reminds me of when Epic wanted to release GoW bonus packs for free but MS wouldnt have it. And the problems with user made mods for UT3 on the X360. All due to Microsoft's greed.
Judging from those screens of the Mission mode, the missions look like they could be even harder than the Trials of Valor on Mentor/Master. Though it probably depends on how much damage the bosses do and how many minions (mainly the IS Ninjas and Rocket Ninjas) they have access to. It's too bad there aren't any achievements/prizes for completing the mission/survival modes like additional costumes or something. Even something as simple as winning essence to take with you into the main games would have been great.
sixteen-bit
Member
No shit. It's like the reason they're slowly abandoning the PC gaming space is because it's so easy for them to monetize the console space - whereas PCers would never put up with it.Meteor_of_War said:
â Narayan
Member
You didn't get on._dementia said:
Kasumi1970
my name is Ted
I just beat Ninja Gaiden 2 today that last boss was a pain. I think i like the game better than Ninja Gaiden black.
Here's another thing:
Look at the MM screenshots. Notice anything?
No new enemies, arenas, weapons... nothing. It's just remixed fights.
A far cry from NG1 days.
I really do feel this is the stink of Microsoft publishing. I realize Tecmo is not exactly a stand up company, but you can't fault them for the support and dedication they poured into NG1. This? This is one of the most blatant, insulting cash grabs I've ever seen. CLEARLY this was designed as bonus content in the original game. Not something to be bought for $10.
Microsoft is a bad company. I do not like them. I hope they are not a part of the future of gaming.
Look at the MM screenshots. Notice anything?
No new enemies, arenas, weapons... nothing. It's just remixed fights.
A far cry from NG1 days.
I really do feel this is the stink of Microsoft publishing. I realize Tecmo is not exactly a stand up company, but you can't fault them for the support and dedication they poured into NG1. This? This is one of the most blatant, insulting cash grabs I've ever seen. CLEARLY this was designed as bonus content in the original game. Not something to be bought for $10.
Microsoft is a bad company. I do not like them. I hope they are not a part of the future of gaming.
WHOAguitarninja
Member
Draft said:
I agree.
Draft said:
yes, if you go back in time, it is Microsoft's fault for setting the precedent of selling everything...
but look, every part of this game is fucked up somehow, and I think all the blame can be put on the lawsuit. If the company you worked at held on to your million dollars, then said "here's a huge project, enjoy lol," would you put much effort into it?
Team Ninja phoned it in, like they phoned in DoAX2, because they weren't being treated right. It'd be surprising if they had any other DLC planned.
BigBlackGamer
Member
wish they would have at least put new achievements in for misson mode.
wayward archer
Member
Draft said:
You sure it's microsoft? Tecmo charged pretty much the same amount for less extra Sigma content that really should have been included in that game as well.
Just because there's nothing new doesn't mean it won't be good. If they are well done missions it'll be worth every single penny to me.
Kasumi1970
my name is Ted
I agree with youwayward archer said:
I get sick of all this MS hate lately
a Master Ninja
Member
While the projectile spam pisses me off, I don't think this game wreaks of being "phoned in". The real culprit here is "rushed to market to compete with MGS4". NGII just needed another month or two of polish and balance tweaks to reach it's full potential, it has an incredibly solid foundation.Mamesj said:
wayward archer said:
If the missions are going to consist of "Fight X Boss with Rocket Ninjas/IS Ninjas/White Explosive Arrow Ninjas," like most of the screens suggests (Keep in mind there are only 25 missions compared to the 50 missions in NGB), then I'm not expecting them to be that well done either.
SixStringPsycho
Member
Guys I currently have 200 MS points to waste. So which of Ryus downloadable suit should I download? Or better yet, does anyone have a pic of them?
Nemesis_
Member
Alexei was easy with Ninpo. :lol
I accidently slashed him though and then died on purpose, only to select NO to continuing. Then the game saved stuff - did it save the fact I used a sword?
I did the same thing on my Scythe playthrough using the Twin Swords, I hit Elizabet once and then quickly turned the game off, rather than doing what I did above.
Man I hope not, I've worked hard to get this far =P
I accidently slashed him though and then died on purpose, only to select NO to continuing. Then the game saved stuff - did it save the fact I used a sword?
I did the same thing on my Scythe playthrough using the Twin Swords, I hit Elizabet once and then quickly turned the game off, rather than doing what I did above.
Man I hope not, I've worked hard to get this far =P
Baka Zeitgeist
pluck my tasty grapes
LOL I did that myself, but you should be safe, if you ever see that you hit someone with a weapon quit the game and reload from the title screen, as long as you don't do a proper save (I.E. chapter complete save or dragon shrine save) it shouldn't count, but if you hit them with a weapon and hit continue it might so play it safe...
I had two save files set up, one for beating a chapter, and the second for the level I was on, I'd just resave over each chapter save if I was positive I never hit anyone with a weapon during a level. This way you always have a back up.
I had two save files set up, one for beating a chapter, and the second for the level I was on, I'd just resave over each chapter save if I was positive I never hit anyone with a weapon during a level. This way you always have a back up.
congratsAske said:
i hate you
SixStringPsycho said:
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_6739_en.html
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i297/gravionGR/grandcostumelist.jpg
SixStringPsycho said:
God's Beard said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11794569&postcount=6074
3rd set down
a Master Ninja said:
I agree. With som added balancing this game would be great.
However as it stands now the projectile spam (even on acolyte) is just plain bad design and ruins much of the later half of the game totally imo.
I couldn´t enjoy chapter 11, even though the basic fighting is amazing there. The exploding projectiles takes all the fun out of every fight
Block them. Don't try to dodge, don't jump, just block them, then reverse wind dodge out of the stagger. You can block most explosions just fine. You might have your guard staggered, and you might take a small amount of damage, but nothing major. Once your timing improves, you can dodge the blast completely while its stuck to you, or do an OT or UT to avoid it.
You can actually do the same thing for the MRLS ninjas, though you will take a bit of damage, it's not that big of a deal, as long as you continuously dodge and block until the barrage is gone. Not nearly as bad as jumping and getting thrashed to air juggling while you're not invulnerable.
You can actually do the same thing for the MRLS ninjas, though you will take a bit of damage, it's not that big of a deal, as long as you continuously dodge and block until the barrage is gone. Not nearly as bad as jumping and getting thrashed to air juggling while you're not invulnerable.
yeah I am aware that they are blockable. Still they break up the flow of the action as you have to block as soon as you are hit and it sticks to you.
... and you do get stuck a lot
Amazinly annoyoing mechanic and I really think it breaks the otherwise amazing figting on the later levels.
... and you do get stuck a lot
Amazinly annoyoing mechanic and I really think it breaks the otherwise amazing figting on the later levels.