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[Musky_Cheese]

Man some of you guys just look for things to be offended by. Who really fucking cares if a made up video game world asks you to choose a "style" or whatever. Nintendo isn't brainwashing you into becoming a pedophile or whatever insane qanon fear base bullshit conspiracy nonsense keeps popping up in these threads. Just play the games, or don't. Christ almighty.

The irony of course is they didn't include it to avoid people being offended. Would you copy and past your statement elsewhere when you have people offended by having Male and Female selections? If you did, you would be an Alt Right troll.

We need to name this. Triggerception? Offendiception?

Suggestions?

 

[Alexios]

Pathetic OP. Where does it say anything woke? It says they wanted to eliminate character customization restrictions by gender and does NOT refer to the American version's (also fine) wording. Just so a boy can have the girl's style and the girl can have a boyish hair cut and clothes or whatever.

Who has a problem with any of that? Who has NOT made funny characters in other games that allowed cross dressing like Saints Row? Or also serious tomboy girls etc.? Or is it the Japanese who are too woke now and not NOA who committed that heinous crime that all other versions didn't?

 

[Mato]

I don't think Nintendo has any interest in being woke. They are just trying to tiptoe around the shitty mess that is gender politics in the USA. Normally they are rather neutral and don't touch politics or religion.

 

[Eimran]

Today in woke news

 

[Closer]

Clothes and hairstyles aren’t restricted by gender anymore. How is that a bad thing and were are they saying that it was done because of wokeness?
They still ask you ingame if you're male or female in pretty much every country except the US of A

USA was a mistake

 

[Alexios]

Not really, most (all?) of the others just ask you to choose too without a gender in the question, but they also have different words for villager by gender, where in English you don't get that. Like a villager/villagress kind of thing.

 

[iconmaster]

I'd be very careful spouting these words as they have very anti-semitic origins.

Am I reading this right? It's now racist to criticize communism?

 

[Saber]

Pathetic OP. Where does it say anything woke? It says they wanted to eliminate character customization restrictions by gender and does NOT refer to the American version's (also fine) wording. Just so a boy can have the girl's style and the girl can have a boyish hair cut and clothes or whatever.

So a boy character can't use female things because of gender restriction? I though it was because it was coded that way lol

 

[EightBit Man]

You yourself could start off by avoiding basic logical fallacies, notably the Genetic fallacy. This request, of course, is only pertinent if you're genuinely interested in truth.

In its contemporary and coloquial use, cultural Marxism can be loosely defined as various attempts by left-wing movements to apply or transfer Marxist concepts of historical and dialectical materialism, in particular the notion of economic exploitation and class struggle, to cultural phenomena. It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with its proponents and detractors.

It has everything to do with anti-semitism; Cultural Bolshevism was a concept of the National Socialists; a war against "degenerate and Jewish art". To say Marxists ideas are applied to cultural phenomena is utter nonsense. Both Karl Marx and the Frankfurt School (yes, they were Jewish) were in fact against political correctness. Nowhere has it been written that Western values should be subverted. In fact, the Frankfurt School was very much in favor of Western ideas, especially those rooted in the the Enlightenment; personal autonomy and reason in particular. Their critique was that those values, WESTERN values are not compatible with Capitalism.

That makes them in fact, defenders of Western values, not people against them. But I probably cannot change your mind anyway; you're not going to watch the videos I included. You're not going to read The Dialectics of Enlightenment, which has an entire chapter dedicated to the negative influence of modern media and popular culture.

Our conversation ends here.

 

[Whitesnake]

American culture must look so odd to asians.

A country with millions of guns and no genders.

BROKE: Bitching at Nintendo until they remove gender options

WOKE: Campaigning against Nintendo until they give me the option to play as a Nagant M1895 Revolver.

 

[Alexios]

So a boy character can't use female things because of gender restriction? I though it was because it was coded that way lol

Huh? Yes, coded customization restrictions by the chosen gender in previous AC (and in many other but not all games). Which they've tried to eliminate and allow any gender character to use anything in this one. What are you on about?

 

[Saber]

Yes, coded customization restrictions by gender in previous AC. Which they've tried to eliminate and allow any character to use anything in this one. What are you on about?

Restrictions are not made by gender. A restriction exists because they coded to be like that. It has nothing to do with "gender".

 

[Alexios]

Restrictions are not made by gender. A restriction exists because they coded to be like that. It has nothing to do with "gender".

Yes it was programmed to label different character choices by a gender and it was also programmed to restrict customization based on that labelled-as-gender choice and they're now lifting these labelled-as-gender restrictions and tell you as much in the interview to describe what they have done in programming with simple words you can understand without being a programmer. How the fuck do you want me (or anyone else) to describe the change from previous AC to this one by not using the word "gender" since that's what you seem to take offense to and consider woke?

 

[Saber]

Yes it was programmed to label different character choices by a gender and it was also programmed to restrict customization based on that labelled-as-gender choice and they're now lifting the restrictions.

They're not just lifting the restrictions. They simply change the gendered words as styles to not make it look like you have a gender. The point that I made since you're trying way too hard to not understand is that their statement is fake as crap. Nothing about being a boy or girl stops you from using the clothes you want, thats what they choose when they code the game.

 

[SoggyBiscuit]

More options never hurt anyone. I don't see why this would be an issue.

LET ME WEAR A DRESS IN MY CUDDLY ANIMAL LIFE SIM YOU BASTARDS.

 

[B-universe]

It has everything to do with anti-semitism; Cultural Bolshevism was a concept of the National Socialists; a war against "degenerate and Jewish art".

It's already been explained to you why that's a fallacious argument. Your choice to ignore the rebuttal doesn't mean it's going away anytime soon. A Genetic fallacy is still a fallacy, no matter how many times you reiterate it.

It is categorically false that the contemporary use of the term you're objecting to is a cry against "degenerate and Jewish art". Implicitly or explicitly, the idea never enters current discussions.

To say Marxists ideas are applied to cultural phenomena is utter nonsense. Both Karl Marx and the Frankfurt School were in fact against political correctness.

You need to pay closer attention to what's being said. My broad definition stated that it was "an attempt to apply". I said nothing about how successful or even how legitimate those attempts were. Concepts such as oppression and privilege indeed are attempts to transfer original Marxist concepts such as exploitation and class conscientiousness to broader social and cultural phenomena.

Nowhere has it been written that Western values should be subverted.

Then you need to pay closer attention to today's laymen cultural Marxists, whose goals explicitly involve exactly that. Because that's who's being targeted by the term, not the Frankfurt School, not Marxism itself.

It is intersectionality.

In fact, the Frankfurt School was very much in favor of Western ideas, especially those rooted the the Enlightenment; reason in particular. Their critique was that those values, WESTERN values are not compatible with Capitalism.

I'm not getting into this idiosyncrasy of yours here.

That makes them in fact, defenders of Western values, not people against them. But I probably cannot change your mind anyway;

If only you had bothered to read the opening paragraph where I said the term currently and colloquially does not apply to the Frankfurt school. If only you would bother to read that which you claim you are replying to.

you're not going to watch the videos I included.

You're not going to read The Dialectic of Enlightenment, which has an entire chapter dedicated to the negative influence of modern media and popular culture.

I'm not getting into a debate on the Frankfurt School when my basic point is that the trem Cultural Marxism, nowadays, does not apply to the Frankfurt School.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Link is already a tra-

LOL based Falcom poster.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

In USA you choose your "Style"

Why did they remove gender in Animal Crossing: New Horizons only in the USA localization?

They didn't do it for any other countries so why USA? Sure, it's not a big deal but why?

www.neogaf.com

I think it's hilarious how it only happened to the US/English version. At least Pokémon changed it for every locale like a decade ago. Just stands out as pandering if it's not a global change.

 

[Geki-D]

The pedos are surely jubilant now

Just curious, but who are "The pedos?"

 

[CAB_Life]

But they're not woke enough to include all 144 (ot whatever it's at) genders? I can hear the mobs already.

There’s always the next iteration.

Just curious, but who are "The pedos?"

Pedophiliacs, who have thoroughly influenced the current gender-deconstructionist TRA/ LGBT agenda. And that’s not conspiracy, tin-foil shit either, Google some of the creepy ass grooming on the LGBT section of TikTok or Tumblr and you’ll go down a rabbit hole you’d wish you hadn’t.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I thought Tree fucks were the ones that did this tiny but odd change. NintendoGAF you are still gonna buy their future games right? Gender identity politics don't matter if they get in the way of bing bang wahoo right?

Now Nintendo will find out what happens when you give them a finger..

Absolutely nothing will happen. People are gonna buy these games no matter what. Hell, this Animal Crossing will be the best selling game in the series.

Deal with it nerds. The future is now!

 

[Geki-D]

section of TikTok or Tumblr

Sounds like totally valid research, I'm sure the movers & shakers of the "LGBT agenda" are totally represented by people using TikTok or Tumblr...

And what evidence do you have that these oh so powerful TikTok & Tumblr users are swaying opinions to the point where Nintendo did this?

 

[ExpandKong]

“We basically wanted to create a game where users didn’t really have to think about gender or if they wanted to think about gender, they’re also able to,” she said.

The irony here is that they did this to appease the portion of the population that thinks about gender entirely too much.

 

[LazyParrot]

Not really, most (all?) of the others just ask you to choose too without a gender in the question, but they also have different words for villager by gender, where in English you don't get that. Like a villager/villagress kind of thing.

That's just for the European versions. All the Asian versions explicitly label the two options boy/girl or male/female.

 

[HaveButOneLife]

Man some of you guys just look for things to be offended by. Who really fucking cares if a made up video game world asks you to choose a "style" or whatever. Nintendo isn't brainwashing you into becoming a pedophile or whatever insane qanon fear base bullshit conspiracy nonsense keeps popping up in these threads. Just play the games, or don't. Christ almighty.

Who's offended here?

Maybe the title should be "becouse we are not in the 50s and the world Is changed" and not for politically correct

"The world has changed" doesn't mean "we must accept that there are a million genders/gender is on a spectrum".

 

[JimboJones]

Sounds like totally valid research, I'm sure the movers & shakers of the "LGBT agenda" are totally represented by people using TikTok or Tumblr...

And what evidence do you have that these oh so powerful TikTok & Tumblr users are swaying opinions to the point where Nintendo did this?

He sounds like he works for a UK tabloid, obsessed with pedos.

 

[Alexios]

That's just for the European versions. All the Asian versions explicitly label the two options boy/girl or male/female.

So "most" languages still then. And yet here we are, people calling the Japanese devs who did maintain according to you the gender designations woke with clickbait titles because they made the character customization more versatile by not restricting items, lol.

A thread without the clickbait title wouldn't have most of the idiots outraged over it bat an eye, possibly even praise it if they read that far in the interview cos they always wanted item x that couldn't be applied to their character's gender even.

At worst not even realize the change is there by never choosing to get items of the other gender, lol. But nope, now it's woke this woke that. Pathetic ourage/snowflake culture indeed.

 

[nikolino840]

Well lots of fan don't care about It

Redirect Notice

Animal Crossing: New Horizons has become a major hit in the UK.

Nintendo's critically acclaimed sequel has sold more copies in its first week on sale than the launch sales of all previous Animal Crossing games combined, including the spin-offs. The launch is 3.5 times bigger than the last game in the series, 2013's Animal Crossing: New Leaf on Nintendo 3DS, which was the previous biggest launch for the series. It is also the biggest single game launch on Nintendo Switch since the console came out, although if you combine the sales of Pokémon Sword and Shield together, those games enjoyed a bigger first week.

 

[Rock And Roll]

It is always entertaining to see the "you guys get offended way too easily" crowd in these threads.

Listen, no one cares if you are gay/straight/bi/trans or any of those new gender spectrum things you invented 8 months ago and pretend have been around for thousands of years. I don't go around introducing myself and straight to random people nor do I make it a point of conversation on the internet. Neither do my gay friends. This has become a thing over the past 5 years where the new generation of dipshit thinks this stuff is relevant to everyday living.

So yeah, if people are "offended" over this, it's because all of the attention whores alphabet people who keep bringing this stuff up and trying to indoctrinate it into everyday life. Despite what you have been telling yourself, the world isn't overrun by hateful bigots. Most of us do not care what your orientation is. We are starting to take an issue with your insistence to push this on everybody and every medium. Go live your life in peace and don't go around telling people how to live theirs.

The complete lack of self-awareness to why you are experiencing pushback is baffling. "WHY DO YOU ALL CARE SO MUCH REEEEE". Why have you cared so much over the past 5 years to shout and throw a fit about representation and other garbage? Clearly the alphabet people care so much about this issue, so we're here to call you out on it and tell you kindly to fuck off.

 

[Lrnex]

You have the freedom to completely customize and redo your character whenever you want without heavy restrictions like in previous games. I’m really struggling to see how I could be outraged about this.

 

[Alexios]

You have the freedom to completely customize and redo your character whenever you want without heavy restrictions like in previous games. I’m really struggling to see how I could be outraged about this.

You must be trans/bi/gay/whatever else then, not everyone has to have that shoved in their face, didn't you see the post above yours that explains everything so eloquently?!

 

[UnNamed]

I don't see the problem here.
It's not like having a preconstructed avatar, the game say "you can be whoever you want to be", so if I want to be a midget, then you can't implicit tell me I can be only a blond female or long haired man, give me my fucking midget!

 

[B-universe]

So "most" languages still then. And yet here we are, people calling the Japanese devs woke with clickbait titles because they made the character customization more versatile by not restricting items, lol.

So the thought's never entered your mind, that this decision is probably not motivated by a desire to award more freedom to the player - otherwise, it would have been implemented universally, right? - but because of political concerns that vary according to geography and that in the West have developers walking on eggshells, otherwise colloquially known as Wokeness?

I realize you are committed to Daoism, whatever happens over there at Resetera must have a counterpart here on GAF, if they get offended then any objection around here must also be described as taking offence, if they ban, censor, dox, then GAF must be their moral equivalent for so much as pointing out a glaring disparity.

For the universe would simply implode if perfect symmetry were ever to be broken.

 

[Alexios]

So the thought's never entered your mind, that this decision is probably not motivated by a desire to award more freedom to the player - otherwise, it would have been implemented universally, right? - but because of political concerns that vary according to geography and that in the West have developers walking on eggshells, otherwise colloquially known as Wokeness?

I realize you are committed to Daoism, whatever happens over there at Resetera must have a counterpart here on GAF, if they get offended then any objection around here must also be described as taking offence, if they ban, censor, dox, then GAF must be their moral equivalent for so much as pointing a glaring disparity.

For the universe would simply implode if perfect symmetry were ever to be broken.

So now it's not what actually happened but what you wish to imagine is the reason for it and that warrants your wish to become the so called "admission" as the threat title suggests rather than something to potentially discuss as a possibility in a normal reasonable thread and manner.

Yes, please tell me more about what happens at resetera, I only hear of it constantly from gaffers who apparently reside there more than they do here and I wouldn't even know it exists without that, lol, keep being a fearful threatened little weakling swayed by titles and outraged sheep

 

[B-universe]

So now it's not what actually happened but what you wish to imagine is the reason for it. Gotcha. Yes, please tell me more about what happens at resetera, I only hear of it constantly from gaffers who apparently reside there more than they do here and I wouldn't even know it exists without that.

"What actually happened" - your words.
vs.
"is probably not a decision based on" - my words.

You chew on that.

The rationale is straightforward. If a decision is restricted to certain areas of the globe, then maybe there are political concerns at work, usually known as Wokeness. Yet you claimed no such thing was happening here - I await your evidence -, that it was just a matter of awarding more freedom to the player. Goodness gracious, if so, why not all of them, then?

As to what happens over there at Resetera, well, it could reasonably be described as, instead of letting the open marketplace of ideas function freely, stepping in to regulate and make sure any voices that deviate from the canon are silenced and one side wins by default.

Can you relate?

 

[tassletine]

The game is barely different to any other AC Title. This Game evolves slowly.

I hate woke culture, but anyone complaining about this is just the same as that over sensitive lot as far as I’m concerned.
It’s not about being left or right just logical — all this game adds is a bunch of haircuts and more clothes a game that already had shitloads. The game is constantly taking the piss out of it’s self, it’s just goofy fun and about as political as oatmeal.

 

[Rock And Roll]

You must be trans/bi/gay/whatever else then, not everyone has to have that shoved in their face, didn't you see the post above yours that explains everything so eloquently?!

Explain to us why this was implemented in North America where people seem to put way too much thought into these things and not other territories.

This level of fine-tuning your character is “not just about gender,” Kyogoku said, but relates to the team’s overall feeling that “society is shifting to valuing a lot of people’s different identities.”

From the article. So they've been made aware of this "shift", I wonder why that is

Also please change your avatar, the Saturn deserves better than being attached to you

 

[Nymphae]

The funny thing to me is having the US version be the only one catering to wokeness, if it's "the game you wanted to create", why did the other regions get unwoke versions?

 

[Stiflers Mom]

As a foot fetishist I demand your animals to wear slutty shoes, Nintendo, or I don't feel represented and will start a petition against you.

 

[Alexios]

Explain to us why this was implemented in North America where people seem to put way too much thought into these things and not other territories.

This level of fine-tuning your character is “not just about gender,” Kyogoku said, but relates to the team’s overall feeling that “society is shifting to valuing a lot of people’s different identities.”

From the article. So they've been made aware of this "shift", I wonder why that is

Also please change your avatar, the Saturn deserves better than being attached to you

This thread has nothing to do with North America, learn how to read, it's a (translated) interview with the actual creators and not the American localization team, we already have a thread about that shit and it's not this one.

So the "this was implemented" in the thread refers to the character customization no longer restricting items by gender and has nothing to do with the gender not being specified in the NA version, as it is in the Japanese.

You're not even in any Saturn threads, all you ever do is whine, trying to pull the better gamer cred card or something, as if it has any bearing on anything I've personally said in regards to THIS and not other topics.

Edit: good to know unnamed mods condone clickbait thread titles on the basis "most know what it's about" (even though in this part of the discussion they responded most very clearly don't) and only care about personal insults one way, not that they were responding in kind, lol, GG.

 

[CAB_Life]

Sounds like totally valid research, I'm sure the movers & shakers of the "LGBT agenda" are totally represented by people using TikTok or Tumblr...

And what evidence do you have that these oh so powerful TikTok & Tumblr users are swaying opinions to the point where Nintendo did this?

I mean you could take a moment to educate yourself and look at NAMBLA, a fully open and operating ring of pedophiles and pedasts, which only 20 years back was almost endorsed during Clinton’s era as a functioning arm of the LGBT community. Most of those men were affluent and powerful and few of them are old enough to be dead. Is it reasonable to assume that they just “gave it up”?

It’s likewise naive to believe that iconoclasts and influencers do not abuse the LGBT banner when just last year we saw everything from Jessie Smollett to Jessica Yaniv; and that other “female” prisoner who was transferred to a women’s prison and proceeded to rape all the inmates.

It’s the willful ignorance and inability to police themselves that has been, and will continue to be, the downfall of the Left. I say this as someone who voted for Trudeau (the first time). I’ve been a liberal/ social justice advocate all my life but most of the people now running the show are lunatics.

 

[Panajev2001a]

What is the end game? A doctor yelling "It's... something!" at birth?

People see it as having more choice more agency and this choice meaning they have more control over their lifes and they want this to be accepted... while everywhere else in life they lose control and power against corporations and/or government. There is the need to react to injustice that there is in the world and for people this cause is close to then than others they have no control of so it gets amplified.
Makes you wonder how much astroturfing there is hidden with real activists too.

 

[Fnord]

They may have placated one group, but apparently missed the boat on another:

Animal Crossing: New Horizons Review: I Built a Community During COVID-19

While the politics aren't perfect, it's certainly better than the real world's.

www.vice.com

 

[Rock And Roll]

This thread has nothing to do with North America, learn how to read, it's a (translated) interview with the actual creators and not the American localization team, we already have a thread about that shit and it's not this one.

So the "this was implemented" in the thread refers to the character customization no longer restricting items by gender and has nothing to do with the gender not being specified in the NA version, as it is in the Japanese.

Fucking idiots everywhere who don't know what they're talking about and where they fucking are and what the fuck was done/said that they oppose. You don't deserve to like the Saturn, erase it from your shit-for-brain.

Whoopdee doo, the OP has a misleading title. This changes the needless changes made to the game how exactly? They are still pointless and you seem to have a hard time debating that without the potty mouth, probably because your argument is baseless and can't be back by anything tangible (like your beliefs). Not only are you brainwashed and unable to think for yourself, you have to steal my saturn line and attempt to use it against me. Come up with your own material junior and stop parroting stuff you read off the internet. But man those profanities sure put me in my place, I sure won't be messing with you anymore tough guy

 

[Geki-D]

I mean you could take a moment to educate yourself and look at NAMBLA, a fully open and operating ring of pedophiles and pedasts, which only 20 years back was almost endorsed during Clinton’s era as a functioning arm of the LGBT community.
It’s likewise naive to believe that iconoclasts and influencers do not abuse the LGBT banner when just last year we saw everything from Jessie Smollett to Jessica Yaniv; and that other “female” prisoner who was transferred to a women’s prison and proceeded to rape all the inmates.

This doesn't answer my original question. I'll ask it again:
And what evidence do you have that these oh so powerful TikTok & Tumblr users are swaying opinions to the point where Nintendo did this?
Bringing up controversies from 30 years ago doesn't do much to backup your case and is irrelevant to Nintendo doing anything or any LGBT people today nor do individual people acting like idiots. I could just as easily point out that Republicans sure do love to block laws that would stop grown men from legally fucking underage girls. Then pin it on a "straight agenda".
You're doing a motte & bailey, and even your motte is weak.

It’s the willful ignorance and inability to police themselves that has been, and will continue to be, the downfall of the Left.

Maybe they're just less collectivist than you? I'm also wondering if you consider every heterosexual sexual assault a mark against all straight people and the "downfall of the right"?

I’ve been a liberal/ social justice advocate all my life but most of the people now running the show are lunatics.

Oh the "I was a lefty"' meme. Nah, I don't buy it, not from someone spouting such blatant anti LGBT propaganda (literally bringing up the old conservative christian "homosexual agenda" crap), calls them pedos and obviously hates trans people. Not to mention "the left" boogeyman.

Honestly though, I'm not really interested in defending LGBT people in a thread about a fucking Animal Crossing game against someone who probably thinks the chemicals in the water are turnin' the friggin frogs gay.

 

[nemiroff]

What is the end game? A doctor yelling "It's... something!" at birth?

Or

"It's... a Homo!"





* Homo is the human genus, and is split into Homo Sapiens and Homo Erectus

 

[brap]

Listening people with don't even play games.
Good start.

The mentally ill actually love animal crossing though because it's barely a game.

 

[brap]

Yeah, make fun of it guys. Open a book and research once in a while.

Will do. I hear Mein Kampf is a good one.

 

[brap]

USA was a mistake

USA > dog shit > brazil

 

[Fake]

This thread has nothing to do with North America, learn how to read, it's a (translated) interview with the actual creators and not the American localization team, we already have a thread about that shit and it's not this one.

So the "this was implemented" in the thread refers to the character customization no longer restricting items by gender and has nothing to do with the gender not being specified in the NA version, as it is in the Japanese.

Fucking idiots everywhere who don't know what they're talking about and where they fucking are and what the fuck was done/said that they oppose. You don't deserve to like the Saturn, erase it from your shit-for-brain.

You're not even in any Saturn threads, all you ever do is whine, trying to pull the better gamer cred card or something, as if it has any bearing on anything I've personally said in regards to THIS and not other topics.

Take easy on the insults dude. Is not healthy.