Sammy Samusu
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Don't care if it's live or recorded.
Just give me the games.
Just give me the games.
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Nintendo confirms no live E3 presentation this year
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Zelda got a ton of attention though.
You win some you lose some (not that E3 is supposed to be a competition, mind you). Heck, 2014 digital event and Treehouse live was the most talked about thing with Splatoon and Mario Maker. Beating out Sony and MS by huge margins across social medias. It doesn't matter how it's presented so long as the information gets out and and in an accessible manner for people. It's the internet age.
bigboss370
Member
The live audience adds to the atmosphere of the event. Its the same thing in sports games.
All you have to do is look at how amazing the Sony conference was last year, or the year nintendo did the zelda orchestra
its different watching something live versus knowing you're watching a pre-recorded video
Yeah the cheers from all those employees really alters my hype for a cg trailer.
OrbitalBeard
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The Zelda orchestra was great, but that was overall one of Nintendo's worst E3 conferences. It was the year they unveiled Wii U. It was kind of a disaster.
foxuzamaki
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Everyone was so optimistic for the WiiU ini 2014, the big games were starting to come out, and they were already started at the tail end of 2013, WiiU sales were selling better than they were before, and then they absolutely nailed E3, everyone was so happy with it, I really think nintendo could have kept that momentum going, i remember all the way until next E3 that people were still pretty up and up on WiiU, especially since splatoon came out that may. It's just a shame really.
TLZ
Banned
Let's get that mushroom kingdom toad audience in. Guaranteed to make a lot of noise.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Yep. I'll take Directs over any stage show tbh
Dark Cloud
Member
I 100% agree. I've watched their video multiple times. So much better than a live audience.
https://youtu.be/V9zGAv0mUtg
Also when FFVIIR was announced I love watching this YouTube video.
https://youtu.be/XUMdx3ezW9s
This is so much better than some audience. Reactions are on YouTube now. It's online now. I love watching them.
Another situation where droughts really sucked the life out of the system. Also some of the first party efforts were hit or miss. When you don't have a lot coming out, you can't afford for a game like Star Fox to get delayed, or have poor critical reception.
The unified software development should be a big help for Switch. It'll give teams more time to make games because the pressure won't be on them to fill certain slots in fear of nothing being on the platform for months at a time. Indies and increased third party support (Japanese specifically) will be a another big help.
bigboss370
Member
well yeah, all the cheering, shock and surprise from everyone during the FF7R reveal added to how great that reveal was. there's a reason reaction videos have hundreds of thousands of views
brandonh83
Banned
Well, I mean, no doubt.
But we're talking about what kind of impact a specific live E3 show has on the wider public. Whether Nintendo does a live E3 presentation or a Direct video, they're getting covered. If Nintendo releases a Direct during E3 (they are), the gaming-dedicated media and other media will cover it. The information will get out there. The products they reveal will be marketed same as always. Products revealed and shown during live presentations will get the same kind of marketing.
I'm arguing that the casual, general public doesn't really care about a live E3 show. The greater success of a product does not lie on E3's shoulders.
Those cited examples are like a decade apart though. Good live shows are so rare, and Nintendo has never been known to make good ones.
I will say that Sony's was great last year. They finally adapted to this current age where we want the info fast and in the now, and not have to listen to all these speeches and sales numbers. I'd go as far as to say that it was structured more like a Nintendo Direct, but in Sony's own way. Something I want to see more of from everyone in the industry.
OrbitalBeard
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The best part about reaction videos? You don't need a live conference to create one. Some of the best reaction videos on YT are for freakin' Smash Bros. trailers.
Souldriver
Member
A shame.
90% of the fun of E3 was all watching together to be overwhelmed by the games, or by the cringe, during those press conferences.
But I guess it doesn't matter in the bigger picture.
90% of the fun of E3 was all watching together to be overwhelmed by the games, or by the cringe, during those press conferences.
But I guess it doesn't matter in the bigger picture.
Okay. I stared stone-faced and didn't give a shit. Big help that was.
brandonh83
Banned
I mean, it seemed to work out for them, no?
CaviarMeths
Member
If it means that much to you, just watch your favorite site or Youtuber livesteam the digital event.
Max reacts to Cloud being revealed in Smash
Hype?
ElMexiMerican
Member
As long as they're bringing in some awesome announcements, I'm fine with the Direct formats as per usual. The past few directs have been exceedingly good imo, makes me even more excited for what they decide to do.
bigboss370
Member
eh? i'm talking about audience reaction videos like from the E3 presser floor or even the theaters around NA that Sony streams their shows too.
I'm not saying a direct is bad, I just think Nintendo could do better. A live show feels bigger. The Switch even felt bigger because it was a stage presentation
Dark Cloud
Member
Yepppp. Look at this!
https://youtu.be/O4l4Ve1qpz4
https://youtu.be/CK5gdf5cMPM
Ok Etika is a little over the top lmao, but I love Maxes reaction. There no audience at all. You don't need an audience and there were so many great reaction videos.
if you're talking about the live atmosphere of an E3 press conference you know you're in a small subset of gamer that actually cares about the live atmosphere of an E3 press conference
the rest of the mass market will get their news through social media headlines and in video content on youtube like anything else
OrbitalBeard
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Sure, they "feel" bigger, but that doesn't mean they're better. It's just the traditional approach.
disappointing but expected
no matter how "superior" or "preffered" of a format a Direct is, you can't beat the flare of a great conference. Something like the epic God of War opening from last year that transitions into the Kratos reveal and throws everyone into a frenzy simply doesn't happen in a direct.
no matter how "superior" or "preffered" of a format a Direct is, you can't beat the flare of a great conference. Something like the epic God of War opening from last year that transitions into the Kratos reveal and throws everyone into a frenzy simply doesn't happen in a direct.
brandonh83
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bigboss370
Member
okay? Stare stone-faced and don't give a shit at pre-recorded shows as well then lol
Candescence
Member
Good. Let's be honest, the Directs are far more professional, efficient better-produced. Good chunks of the Switch reveal was awkward as fuck despite being the first stage show Nintendo had done in years.
While I liked their E3 digital event as a Nintendo fan, I feel like those were looked down upon by the mainstream/most media outlets.
Once again E3 is going to be like WrestleMania where the main event is Xbox vs PlayStation while Nintendo's digital event is going to be the preshow of the event to the mainstream
Once again E3 is going to be like WrestleMania where the main event is Xbox vs PlayStation while Nintendo's digital event is going to be the preshow of the event to the mainstream
I'm pretty sure people just want the potential for fuck ups, otherwise the calls for live conferences make no sense. And I guess it's gonna be a yearly tradition that people say Nintendo won't show up cause they have no games, and then Nintendo will be the talk of the week. Treehouse alone will be better than the other conferences, the direct format is just the cherry on top.
OrbitalBeard
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brandonh83
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Dark Cloud
Member
Yeah... that's kinda the point. There is no difference. Acting like that live crowd has any weight on the quality of a show, or even how the media covers it, is incredibly silly. A quality announcement is a quality announcement. A bunch of employees in the crowd cheering at every dumb thing is a bizarre thing to put value on. It's like people who need a laugh track to know when a joke was just told.
Last year, the main event was Xbox Vs. PlayStation.
And then Zelda won everything.
Haha that is true. Zelda is mr.wresltemania hehe
Fredrik
Member
If Mario Odessey is out this year they could and should do that.
Ya'll gotta name me some good Nintendo E3's. Nintendo's not quite known for them, and only recently, I feel, have been so much better thanks to the digital event and Treehouse live. As well as whatever other stuff they do on the side like the Smash Tournament or Nintendo World Championships.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
You'll be surprised how mainstream E3 turned out these last years. Sure, it's not the key for the success of product but sure is good spotlight for it.
brandonh83
Banned
Yeah... why... how is this even a point of debate lol
We're enthusiasts, we have GAF accounts and we're actually in a position, it seems, to be having this conversation at all. We'd like to think this shit is more important than it actually is.
The Direct revealing the Switch was apparently a good spotlight, too
NinjaCoachZ
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It's a game that would be worthy of that, but let's face it, a large part of why they got away with the BOTW focus last year (beyond its sheer quality) was because the Wii U was dead and we all knew it. It wouldn't be a good look for them to show up at E3 with one single game for their brand-new, just-released system. I want them to drown me in games, baby.
Dark Cloud
Member
2004,2006,2009, 2010,2013 and 2014.
2016 can be too depending on how much you like Zelda I guess.
Tarextherex
Banned
2011 was fine. 2012 was bad but it wasn't beyond saving, you still had stuff like third parties on stage and whatnot. That's like saying 2008 was so bad that they should have stopped when their 2010 presentation was much better than any other one they have made this decade. Directs feel so isolated from the rest of the industry, fans might like it but other than that it only reinforces the sentiment that "Nintendo is for nostalgic fanboys, they have no third party support". The 2014 and 2016 ones were fine as they showed some of their "legendary" games, plus other presentations(2014 mostly) were lacking. 2013 and 2015 were total jokes aside from like the smash reveal. Nintendo may "actually show gameplay" in their presentations but that is only favorably comparable to EA and Ubisoft conferences, when you have actually big announcements to get people excited, that's what builds awareness for your platform. Fans may be satisfied with their 40 minutes of scarce announcements compensated with hours of treehouse but this is simply milking their patience. Look at the public's reaction when they covered games that weren't Zelda/Pokemon/Smash throughout the past few years. You can't say that this format is better when Nintendo is known to have made many great live conferences that provided a much better variety of content.