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Nintendo E3 2012 Conference Thread
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Left 4 Dead:
ZombiU:
Again was it a magical copy of L4D you played?
I've had my browser sitting open a little while and this is old, but what the fuck? Talk about king of FUD. That's not even the final character in the game. Talking about digging up some old and misleading shit.
EDIT: I'm not even sure it was an early shot. It could have just been some fandom shit. You clearly just went to google image search and linked the ugliest screen you could find. And because you never played L4D, didn't realize it's complete fantasy divorced from the actual L4D game.
EatinOlives
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What? You didn't answer my question. Reporters are there already, they report on what they see. Nobody has an "obligation" to deliver content to those specific reporters because it's not like they'll up and leave in the middle of the presser and choose to report nothing.
To be fair, as a gamer who lived through Sega's collapse, I care about sales. At the same time, I agree that sales will not materialize if this is the extent of Nintendo's approach.
How do you explain the insane Wii-sales?
Remember back on Saturday when we all thought the Sunday event was to get all the online/hardware stuff out of the way so on Tuesday they can just focus on games? Remember that time? And remember how we thought the games would include at least one of the following (Mario 3D, Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, Retro Title)?
And now today we still don't launch window/date, price, or online network. In addition we now know EA won't bring over its sports line up this, Activision was no where to be seen, and the only new Nintendo game we didn't know about is NintendoLand. hahhhahahah
Has it been confirmed if the three titles they were teasing were NintendoLand, Pikmin 3, and Super Mario Bros. U?
And now today we still don't launch window/date, price, or online network. In addition we now know EA won't bring over its sports line up this, Activision was no where to be seen, and the only new Nintendo game we didn't know about is NintendoLand. hahhhahahah
Has it been confirmed if the three titles they were teasing were NintendoLand, Pikmin 3, and Super Mario Bros. U?
Eggplant Wizard
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Are you looking for what's going to be released at midnight tonight? It hasn't been recorded yet.
Agent Unknown
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I...I can't believe this has happened.
Do you know what I was thinking in my head when E3 started for me?
Reggie was on stage, revealing Retro's game. We see a city, a regular day for the citizens. The crowd notices that the city looks very similar. Then we see a child in bed, we see him getting dressed, the crowd gasps and cheers when the boy reveals himself to be none other than Ness. The title screen pops up, revealing the game's title: "Earthbound HD". The trailer then shows the battle system, the classic humor, and at the end, we get a glimpse of a new, HD re-glorified Giygas. The crowd then goes wild.
But in the end, it was all just a simple pipe dream.
Also this goddamn it! What have they been doing for 2 years? They can only come up with Pikmin 3 is a true next-gen looking game? NintendoLand and NSMBU aren't taking that much resources are they? Can't they create something new non-Mii related?
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Yeah, from Nintendo's showing, the Gamerpad really is a huge gimmick right now. The Wiimote at launch had better backing for the technology honesty, which is really sad. I still believe the technology has a ton of potential, and that is shown in games like ZombiU where it makes the survival horror experience a must more AUTHENTIC experience (going by the demo at Spike). Stuff like the Animal Crossing NintendoLand and LM ghost game reinforce PAC-man V.S like experiences that can't be experienced anywhere else, Pikmin and Motion+ controllers combined bring a whole new experience to RTSs with an interactive map AND precise pointing at the same time, and Pandora View WiiU is something that could potentially revolutionize gaming (but of course it won't becuase like all new gaming technology, it will used mostly for gimmicks). But yes it was extremely lacking, though I still stand by my original assessment to not make such a strong judgement before he first showing of real games.
Furthermore, I am more likely to agree with your overall assessment now then I was a day ago.
Because it sure as hell wasn't the hardcore audience. After a certain million sales the mainstream 'casual' audience leeches and continues the fail or success of a console.
In the Wii's case. It clearly was casual. Which resulted in SUCCESS.
EatinOlives
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I facepalmed when Reggie this morning went on and repeated every single thing said in the Sunday event. That directly contradicted the whole reason why they said they were having a Sunday event at all. The real reason is they wanted a "Nintendo sandwich", with an event before the conferences began and an event after. Basically, it was just pure PR. It's not like they actually had "so much" to show that they had to start early.
No, they'll report it, but the READERS of the story won't care. And reporters attend to gather stories that interest their readership. If the conference doesn't offer that, less reporters would be sent next year and the year after and so on, repeating until we're back to 2001 or earlier, with gaming news being spat out onto the last page of the tech section of newspapers and recycling the same bland story from the Associated Press.
Fantastical
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How can you see the private video thumbnails?
Wii bowling.
Thus far, Wii U is pretty direction-less imo, as is Nintendo of late.
This is not the Nintendo that launched DS and Wii, it's more like the Nintendo of the GC era... The conference was terrible, but the more worrying thing is that both 3DS and Wii U lack any real direction.
3DS's problems have been much talked about. Wii U, well this just emphasises Nintendo's uncertainty at the moment. Wii was launched with such boldness and conviction, and an incredible line up, and a clear target audience, Wii U, I'm just not feeling it. Who is going to buy it?
Nothing must have for the casual, Nintendoland won't do it. Minigames are 10 a penny now, and while they're sure to be great, they're so commonplace nothing looks impressive or must have. Wii Sports wowed the majority, it was brilliant! Easy to understand and clear in its message. Nintendoland won't gain traction amongst the casual crowd in anything like the same way because on the face of it it doesn't look like anything new. Even the videos of the family playing it were confusing, in a, really what's this controller doing and why do I need it way.
And for the hardcore, well, it's a joke atm. Where is the reason to not buy a PS3/360 which already has many more titles in this vein, or the reason to buy it because you already have these systems? Wii has shown the market responds generally badly to tacked on controls on existing hardcore titles, why will this change?
Pikmin 3 and NSMB U do look great though! Amazing even. But, for NSMB U, two 2D mario titles within 6 months? Crazy, and shows desperation imo.
Watching Nintendo Direct I had the same feeling, that Nintendo doesn't know who to market their console to, and by doing this they have no clear message. Currently, outside the die hard Nintendo fan, I can't see an audience for the machine.
This is not the Nintendo that launched DS and Wii, it's more like the Nintendo of the GC era... The conference was terrible, but the more worrying thing is that both 3DS and Wii U lack any real direction.
3DS's problems have been much talked about. Wii U, well this just emphasises Nintendo's uncertainty at the moment. Wii was launched with such boldness and conviction, and an incredible line up, and a clear target audience, Wii U, I'm just not feeling it. Who is going to buy it?
Nothing must have for the casual, Nintendoland won't do it. Minigames are 10 a penny now, and while they're sure to be great, they're so commonplace nothing looks impressive or must have. Wii Sports wowed the majority, it was brilliant! Easy to understand and clear in its message. Nintendoland won't gain traction amongst the casual crowd in anything like the same way because on the face of it it doesn't look like anything new. Even the videos of the family playing it were confusing, in a, really what's this controller doing and why do I need it way.
And for the hardcore, well, it's a joke atm. Where is the reason to not buy a PS3/360 which already has many more titles in this vein, or the reason to buy it because you already have these systems? Wii has shown the market responds generally badly to tacked on controls on existing hardcore titles, why will this change?
Pikmin 3 and NSMB U do look great though! Amazing even. But, for NSMB U, two 2D mario titles within 6 months? Crazy, and shows desperation imo.
Watching Nintendo Direct I had the same feeling, that Nintendo doesn't know who to market their console to, and by doing this they have no clear message. Currently, outside the die hard Nintendo fan, I can't see an audience for the machine.
yeah, and by the way, understand I'm just tugging your chain. i don't really expect anything special, it's all in good fun
As for Pandora View, I haven't looked at it, but isn't that just like the face tracking that has been around for a while now? Not really sure what that's all about?
Glass Rebel
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What insane Wii-sales? Those from a few years ago?
I...I can't believe this has happened.
Do you know what I was thinking in my head when E3 started for me?
Reggie was on stage, revealing Retro's game. We see a city, a regular day for the citizens. The crowd notices that the city looks very similar. Then we see a child in bed, we see him getting dressed, the crowd gasps and cheers when the boy reveals himself to be none other than Ness. The title screen pops up, revealing the game's title: "Earthbound HD". The trailer then shows the battle system, the classic humor, and at the end, we get a glimpse of a new, HD re-glorified Giygas. The crowd then goes wild.
But in the end, it was all just a simple pipe dream.
That's why you didn't like the conference? Because you didn't get your Western Earthbound HD remake?
AlexMeloche
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Guys, there will be a special event for the Wii this summer/fall.
We don't have a release date, a price, or even a freaking dummy box. We don't know anything about the online except the Miiverse.
They can't release a console without all those things being already known.
We don't have a release date, a price, or even a freaking dummy box. We don't know anything about the online except the Miiverse.
They can't release a console without all those things being already known.
I was devastated by the conference. I've had a couple of hours away in the pub with some friends, and I'm abit more relaxed about it now.
Just.. several things to be disappointed in. Where was Retro? Where were the games? Where was the future plan for core gamers to stand up and say "this is why I need this system"?
To be honest, Pikmin 3 + NSMBU + Assassins Creed + the 10 or so Wii games I want to play for the first time is probably enough to push me towards a launch release. But I really, really wish I knew more about Nintendo's future plans before I committed to that. I feel just ONE more game on the level of an F-Zero, a Metroid or a Starfox (wasn't expecting Zelda) would have done that. As things stand, once again, there are WAY more questions than answers. Difference is this time is that Nintendo wants me to put money down for this thing in just a few short months.
Whats the liklihood of new stuff being announced tonight or this week?
Just.. several things to be disappointed in. Where was Retro? Where were the games? Where was the future plan for core gamers to stand up and say "this is why I need this system"?
To be honest, Pikmin 3 + NSMBU + Assassins Creed + the 10 or so Wii games I want to play for the first time is probably enough to push me towards a launch release. But I really, really wish I knew more about Nintendo's future plans before I committed to that. I feel just ONE more game on the level of an F-Zero, a Metroid or a Starfox (wasn't expecting Zelda) would have done that. As things stand, once again, there are WAY more questions than answers. Difference is this time is that Nintendo wants me to put money down for this thing in just a few short months.
Whats the liklihood of new stuff being announced tonight or this week?
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
What does that have to do with anything? You said WiiU would sell Gamecube levels, I responded with my thoughts. If you don't want to talk sales then don't bring it up. And the games are there, GAMERS like me and you just don't give a shit about them. Doesn't mean they won't sell well. There is easily 6+ million-sellers worldwide in that launch line-up/window. You could honestly make an argument for 10
of them.
Yup, was thinking the same thing as it transpired.
Father_Brain
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The funny thing is, Nintendo is perfectly capable of doing exactly this when they really want to. The Japanese 3DS conference last fall was near-perfect: just trailer after trailer after trailer, leading up to the MH4 megaton. I'm not sure there was even a single stage demo.
I hope the inevitable fall press events take after that, but I'm not convinced that they will.
WARNING: this is a looong rant matured from the end of the conference until now and it is my first written thought about it, also excuse me for the bad english it is not my first language.
You know... sometimes you just think if they make this to enrage you or something.
Let's go back in time before we knew about sunday's Nintendo Direct, all we knew was that nintendo had to present a console with its lineup... then Nintendo Direct happened... "Good!" i thought, "If they are making a video about the hardware before the conference that can only means that they will have more space for games." and sincerely i was already hyped a little at this point... then they say that there will be an entire conference for the 3ds the day after the "normal" one because the the first would've been all about WiiU games... Boy oh boy that can only means that they have a shitload of software to announce... i mean, it's the only explanation on why they had to make two complete conferences...
And then you start to imagine... you think how this will be better even than e3 2010 where they had a lot of good software for wii, if they announced that in a fraction of the conference god only knows what they will announce in an entire hour! THE HYPE IS THERE!
Conference begins! hyped as fuck with the only thought in mind wondering what awesomeness i will see, Pikmin 3 FUCK YEAH it doesn't look too good but whatever rock pikmin have amazing design and we already knew that was originally a Wii game that is scaled up for the new console... and that's only the beginning! They had more than an entire year to create stuff and after a whole year of silence i know they'll blow me away!
Reggie begin to talk about the philosophy and stuff about the console... "Why? You had the entire Nintendo Direct to talk about that bullshit... whatever the conference just started just make it quick..."
Then NSMBU "ok we already knew about this too... how about some new stuff? MAKE IT QUICK!!!"
About 30 mins in the fear begins... third party stuff.. "B-but we already knew these games they've already appeared in other conferences and some are already been released on other platforms! Why are you teasing me? Show me some Retro goodness, EAD stuff, HAL things, Sora surprises, Team Ninja cooperations, unannounced high profile third party games!".
40 mins in I was already desperate, i was only waiting Iwata to drop 2 or 3 bombs i was only waiting him to show up and redeem everything.
50 mins in and fate was already accepted... NintendoLand was the last thing for sure and it was unappealing as fuck... Just what the hell have they done in this period of silence? how it is possible that they had nothing to show up as brand new stuff? If it weren't for Pikmin that was originally a wii game and NSMBU that surely doesn't require a lot of resources to make it they could've announced a new console without an high profile game from first party? And then WHY IN THE NAME OF GOD HAVE THEY DECIDED TO USE A FULL CONFERENCE FOR THIS SHIT?
In the middle of that Luigi's Mansion/Pacman wannabe i threw a piece of light cardboard at the screen and gone out, i was mad, sooooo mad... they fucked with my intelligence and my time.
Serious question that i wanted to be answered, they really think that people who is informed enough to see the E3 are thrilled or appealed to see games as Just Dance, Sing or WiiFit? Have they any idea what is the demographic they are showing this stuff?
You know... sometimes you just think if they make this to enrage you or something.
Let's go back in time before we knew about sunday's Nintendo Direct, all we knew was that nintendo had to present a console with its lineup... then Nintendo Direct happened... "Good!" i thought, "If they are making a video about the hardware before the conference that can only means that they will have more space for games." and sincerely i was already hyped a little at this point... then they say that there will be an entire conference for the 3ds the day after the "normal" one because the the first would've been all about WiiU games... Boy oh boy that can only means that they have a shitload of software to announce... i mean, it's the only explanation on why they had to make two complete conferences...
And then you start to imagine... you think how this will be better even than e3 2010 where they had a lot of good software for wii, if they announced that in a fraction of the conference god only knows what they will announce in an entire hour! THE HYPE IS THERE!
Conference begins! hyped as fuck with the only thought in mind wondering what awesomeness i will see, Pikmin 3 FUCK YEAH it doesn't look too good but whatever rock pikmin have amazing design and we already knew that was originally a Wii game that is scaled up for the new console... and that's only the beginning! They had more than an entire year to create stuff and after a whole year of silence i know they'll blow me away!
Reggie begin to talk about the philosophy and stuff about the console... "Why? You had the entire Nintendo Direct to talk about that bullshit... whatever the conference just started just make it quick..."
Then NSMBU "ok we already knew about this too... how about some new stuff? MAKE IT QUICK!!!"
About 30 mins in the fear begins... third party stuff.. "B-but we already knew these games they've already appeared in other conferences and some are already been released on other platforms! Why are you teasing me? Show me some Retro goodness, EAD stuff, HAL things, Sora surprises, Team Ninja cooperations, unannounced high profile third party games!".
40 mins in I was already desperate, i was only waiting Iwata to drop 2 or 3 bombs i was only waiting him to show up and redeem everything.
50 mins in and fate was already accepted... NintendoLand was the last thing for sure and it was unappealing as fuck... Just what the hell have they done in this period of silence? how it is possible that they had nothing to show up as brand new stuff? If it weren't for Pikmin that was originally a wii game and NSMBU that surely doesn't require a lot of resources to make it they could've announced a new console without an high profile game from first party? And then WHY IN THE NAME OF GOD HAVE THEY DECIDED TO USE A FULL CONFERENCE FOR THIS SHIT?
In the middle of that Luigi's Mansion/Pacman wannabe i threw a piece of light cardboard at the screen and gone out, i was mad, sooooo mad... they fucked with my intelligence and my time.
Serious question that i wanted to be answered, they really think that people who is informed enough to see the E3 are thrilled or appealed to see games as Just Dance, Sing or WiiFit? Have they any idea what is the demographic they are showing this stuff?
At this point they 100% have to have a later event that shows off big games.
Frencherman
Member
I guess this summs it up. I still do not understand what the WiiU is, what the benefit for me is and most importantly who the target audience is. Everything that Nintendo did right with Wii is now done wrong with WiiU. We are talking about a multi-billion dollar company with generations of experiences, and the are acting like marketing freshmen with no clue.
It's really scary and surreal what's currently going on there...
Before October 30th (thats when AC3 comes out on all platforms apparently)
Nothing, which is mind-boggling to me.
nintendoman58
Member
No. I wasn't expecting Earthbound, but I expected something with as much of a magnitude as that.
But what do we get? Ports and other unteresting titles. The only vaguely interesting things for me at this conference were Pikmin 3 and Mario U. But still, those aren't enough to convince me to actually buy this console. I'm gonna make like everyone else and wait for something good to come out before I purchase Wii U.
MadOdorMachine
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If they can get the family to play games together it can be a success. Clearly that's what they're aiming for. The question does Wii U need hardcore gamers to support it in those early years. If so will they buy it? According to most people around here they won't. Then there's the question of whether or not the casuals will even care. They've already got their iPads, Kindles and phones and on top of that Durango is rumored to launch with Kinnect. Nintendo is really betting the farm right now on getting Wii owners to migrate to Wii U and I'm not sure they were ever going to pull it off again.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
The lack of launch games is astounding. It's like they learned nothing from the 3ds launch debacle.
Green Mamba
Member
That conference really did nothing for me. I've never been one for Pikmin and Nintendoland looked boring. NSMBU is good, but nothing huge and exciting, it's Mario, I'll get it, but... Oh, and there's a bunch of year old ports of games you already own? Yay?
I like how they were all "we did an earlier event to go over the hardware so it wouldn't waste time here" and then they proceeded to repeat everything they went over on Sunday. And how they were all "we have a separate conference for 3DS announcements, this is Wii U only" and then they spent an obnoxious amount of time on three 3DS games that we already know about.
Just... eh.
I like how they were all "we did an earlier event to go over the hardware so it wouldn't waste time here" and then they proceeded to repeat everything they went over on Sunday. And how they were all "we have a separate conference for 3DS announcements, this is Wii U only" and then they spent an obnoxious amount of time on three 3DS games that we already know about.
Just... eh.
The worst part is this exact same problem JUST happened. Sure, they eventually saved the platform when the games FINALLY arrived, but until then it just wasn't worth it. Should've saved the money and waited.
At least it's not like the Vita. May its soul rest in peace.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Punch-Out 2 and Sin & Punishment 3 incoming.
milkyjay20
Member
:lol
civilstrife
Member
At some point you have to think that it's not for lack of trying. They're just incapable of getting their shit together for a launch it seems.
EatinOlives
Member
The gaming industry has changed a ridiculous amount from 2001 to 2012. Not showing Just Dance 4/Dance Central 3/Sing does NOT instantly mean readership of those stories in newspapers to plummet, and it does NOT instantly mean mainstream coverage falling back to 2001 levels. You do know the industry has expanded a lot in that frame, don't you? At the VERY least you're going to get reporters for the next CoD, and once they're at E3 they cover whatever else they see. Going back to pandering mostly to the hardcore isn't going to magically shrink the coverage. It doesn't work that way.
Indeed. It's not like they're "keeping their cards close to their chest" or just didn't give a shit. They really just had nothing to show.
MadOdorMachine
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You aren't alone. When Miyamoto was in his dressing room and they showed the Pikmin get in his jacket and then he walked down the hallway, I was grinning ear to ear. It was pure magic. Then it all turned to complete and utter shit.
Lol, I was waiting for someone to do that.
What? They have multiple games that'll guarasntee good sales in the Holiday season, if it wasn't for the price being unknown as of now I would say it's the complete opposite of the 3DS situation.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
I just got back. So all in all E3 is a big dissapointment (at least for the big 3)? I'm not exciting about gaming at all anymore.
Rated-Rsuperstar
Member
Just finished watching a replay. Wow what a disappointment. There was so little information given on the Wii U other then your buying a controller that just happens to have a console somewhere in the box.
Random thoughts.
+My body is ready. Seriously it was the most exciting thing that happened at the conference.
+Miyamoto showing off Pikmin 3.
+Luigi's Mansion.
- No price.
- No talk about improving their online network.
- What is the Wii U's interface? Was it that cluttered screen of Miis and speech bubbles? Good god.
- Not one game that made you go holy crap next gen is here. All third party titles look to be straight up ports with no graphical improvements.
- They should have had a 3d Mario cause showing Super Mario Bros Wii U followed by SMB3DS made both games look the same.
- Ending with the one two punch of a minigame collection and fireworks.
Once again Nintendo's console is not about the system but the controller itself. They've painted themselves into a corner where developers have to choose to create a game specifically around the controller or just do a quick port of their game. And Nintendo had little to show in terms of new IP or even existing IP. So I'm in no rush to buy the Wii U .
Random thoughts.
+My body is ready. Seriously it was the most exciting thing that happened at the conference.
+Miyamoto showing off Pikmin 3.
+Luigi's Mansion.
- No price.
- No talk about improving their online network.
- What is the Wii U's interface? Was it that cluttered screen of Miis and speech bubbles? Good god.
- Not one game that made you go holy crap next gen is here. All third party titles look to be straight up ports with no graphical improvements.
- They should have had a 3d Mario cause showing Super Mario Bros Wii U followed by SMB3DS made both games look the same.
- Ending with the one two punch of a minigame collection and fireworks.
Once again Nintendo's console is not about the system but the controller itself. They've painted themselves into a corner where developers have to choose to create a game specifically around the controller or just do a quick port of their game. And Nintendo had little to show in terms of new IP or even existing IP. So I'm in no rush to buy the Wii U .
gamergirly
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IT GOT LOST. WE SHOULD POST THIS ON EVERY PAGE
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