Sis Focaccia
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This is something you expect from a small, incredibly lazy and untalented developer with scarce resources:
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Nintendo: new Super Mario for Wii U, Reveal at E3 [Update: Based On E3 2011 Game]
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Given how well both games performed is there serious reason to believe they think the style to be bad? Or that it needs to be changed?
I mean, I don't really see it brought up in interviews with the Nintendo and nothing said in Iwata Asks makes me think they view the current style as bad.
Damnit.
I was hoping that New SMB Mii was just a tech demo or something. I don't really see how this couldn't have been done on Wii (based on what we've seen so far) aside from tunnel sequences or something on a lower screen. I wanted something colorful and more "Mario feeling" than New SMB. I would have loved something with a Mario World esque feeling DKCR style or Cel shaded but alas
I was hoping that New SMB Mii was just a tech demo or something. I don't really see how this couldn't have been done on Wii (based on what we've seen so far) aside from tunnel sequences or something on a lower screen. I wanted something colorful and more "Mario feeling" than New SMB. I would have loved something with a Mario World esque feeling DKCR style or Cel shaded but alas
Yeah Epic Yarn looks amazing, no doubt.
Maybe Nintendo expelled so much mystical energy getting Galaxy to look right and amazing that they had no energy left for 2D Mario?
TruePrime said:
I guess this is sort of like the HD question. Given the success of Wii, did they really need HD? Of course they did, the system was a disaster because it couldn't compete with its competitors from a power perspective. If it's -only- about sales success, then obviously selling well is the metric by which all debates would begin and end. But it's really about the self-evident laziness of the art direction, which whether the game sells or not is just...bad.
Because that's exactly what it was. It was just some stupid E3 proof-of-concept made using Wii assets, like many of their other rushed Wii U demos (even the fucking Zelda demo reused Twilight Princess assets). GAF is so messed up and reactionary sometimes. Personally, I would say that most of the non-GAF world would play with their own Mii than 2 different coloured toads regardless.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
sigh...do not want.
was hoping for a next-gen mario game :[
this sounds downright lazy.
was hoping for a next-gen mario game :[
this sounds downright lazy.
Yep, I don't understand why Nintendo a company that bases it's visuals off of art-style would make a Mario game so bland. They obviously no how to make a platformer pretty, so why not do it with your 2D Mario?
Lord_Byron28
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Of course, nintendo does plenty of visually stunning and strong gameplay advancements. Nsmb is bland, bleach washed stuff intended for casual consumption. I don't see it as cheap so much as its intentional and if anyone thinks wii fit or wii sports resort was a cheap cash in then they are delusional.This is something you expect from a small, incredibly lazy and untalented developer with scarce resources:
When it's Nintendo we're talking about, you expect something closer to this:
See if I saw this post I wouldn't question it. That's fine, I see the logic and I agree to an extent. Its over the top stuff such as whoring, ten men teaam and a dozen chicken nugget comments that are obnoxious that makes it hard to take your opinion seriously which undermines a good comment/post. Jmo of course.
Saint Gregory
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Epic Yarn is still so incredible to look at. I usually can't stand games with so little challenge but I had to unlock every level just to see all the amazing.
I'm still trying to understand what Nintendo is trying to convey with the NSMB artstyle, aside from "budget title", because they're clearly capable of so much more :'(
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I, for one am going to keep my fingers crossed remember the Super Mario 4 trademark guys!
Exterminieren
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I don't think anyone expects this to be a HD port; it would be fucking extortion if it were.
We're simply objecting to the big new Super Mario game for the brand new HD console using an uprezzed version of what was already a hideously bland artstyle.
I find the miis trashing quite hilarious. I mean do you even know when the wii was launched. Also dont forget the pathetic copy attempt from Ms
This is nothing like the HD question at all.
The need for HD clear at this point. A style choice though isn't nearly as cut and dry. Even more so when games that we can all agree look much better performed far, far worse then the style they choose to go with for the NEW games.
Nintendo has gone down so weird paths, and all I'm saying is at this point they may very well think on the the reasons NEW did well is because simplistic art was inviting to casual gamers, well casual Mario gamer, not the Wii Fit/Mario Party 9 gamer.
ElectricBlanketFire
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If it's just BASED on the E3 game, that could potentially mean the art style has changed right?
Right?
Right?
Dammit
crimzonflame
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LMAO if it doesnt have online multiplayer.
Hot Coldman
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Oh yeah, there's no excuses any more. I honestly don't think it'd be that great, it's the kind of game where real world violence makes it that much better (you fuck me over in the game, I throw you off the sofa), but options damn it.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Someone refresh my memory: what was the NSMB Wii U gimmick? Other than, you know, being a carbon copy of NSMB Wii with Mii's thrown in for the hell of it.
That's what I was wondering about, will this game be Nintendo's attempt to show some online multi-player platforming at launch? So instead of putting a ton of effort into a grand game they just want a Mario game that can show off some online action.
KirbYuuYuu
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shadyspace
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You can play on a screen in your hand.
I'm about to sound really old, but I would prefer that it didn't. Unless you want the game to be even floatier due to the unfortunate reality of internet latency.
The Wii title got more insane the more people you added next to you on the "comfy couch" and I don't think you'd see that insanity replicated via headsets or online play in general.
JimboJones
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Just that you could play on the sub screen as far as I know, it was running on both screens simultanously actually.
I get the feeling Nintendo will find any excuse not to put online multiplayer into it.
In other words, this game will be lazily made.
There wasn't much of one, they had some "tunnels" that went down on the sub-screen I believe, but that was about it. I assume they would just try to show off other areas when you go down pipes and stuff like that.
Sis Focaccia
Member
They're shooting themselves in the foot by releasing such an eyesore on their new powerful hardware
No, I only got my Wii at launch. I forgot all about it! I'm not sure when the Wii launched is particularly relevant to the ugly sanitized art direction of the Mii's, but hell... whatever
if someone else is using the tv (to watch a movie or football game or something), you can switch to the low res tablet screen to continue playing...
...that's really the gimmick.
Edit: Here's video of the gimmick: click
Edit2: haha at the video describing the increased graphical detail of Mario Wii U thanks to the Wii U's processing power. "The sand has a little bit more details, textures have been upgraded a little bit." hahha
cartman414
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Really, it's odd, because Nintendo created this for a character like Wario:
They're capable! I just want best Nintendo to come out, not lazy Nintendo!
That was Production I. G.
It was a simple experiment to combine the two biggest franchises in gaming but the demo itself showed off "TV-less" gameplay IIRC.
Thats your opinion
Glorified G
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That actually doesn't sound to bad. But you know their gonna milk this for $50 for a VERY long time before that ever happens.
Clicking on the screen to select your item, obviously! Putting that second screen to good use, as always.
lololololol
I never bought NSMBW because I don't really play much multiplayer on my Nintendo consoles (most people I know aren't "Nintendo" fans") so how did the platforming hold up on it's own? Meaning was this a platformer like other Mario games that was designed to be good platforming even in single-player, or was it only good as a "party" game?
makingmusic476
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Didn't they have a brief 2D segment at the beginning of SMG1 or 2? I would love if they made a full game like that.
I've never cared much for NSMB's art style.
I've never cared much for NSMB's art style.
Really!? Fuck me, and all this time I thought...
Right, I know that. But I mean it's proof Nintendo can get these graphic styles in place if they want it. In that case, it meant paying someone who is more competent than them to make a really awesome animated style. That's part of the effort one puts into something too.
soxinthebox
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God I dislike the NSMB style. Hopefully it plays nothing like those abortions of games.
Hot Coldman
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Totally agreed on the second count, but I'll say that if people want it then they should at least be given the option, lag and all. They can learn the hard way that some games just don't suit online play.
I think Miyamoto pretty much hates online multiplayer anyway. So we'll see if, by some divine prank, it makes it in.
They had few 2D sections in Galaxy 2.
They did alright with them, I wouldn't say that they were as good as the rest of the game's crazy 3D setups.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
That was a year ago when it was a tech demo.
We haven't even seen the game since last E3.
ElectricBlanketFire
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If we're really getting NSMB-WiiU, will this be the first Mario sequel to look basically identical across two consoles?
Chet Rippo
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I loved NSMBW so if it's anything like that I'll be happy.
ViewtifulJC
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MEGATON
Relevant discussion from the Super Mario 3D Land Iwata Asks
I think some 3D Land influence can only add to NSMB. So there is a bit of hope that the game has been modified since last E3.
I think some 3D Land influence can only add to NSMB. So there is a bit of hope that the game has been modified since last E3.