KojiKnight
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How Nintendo handles most rumors is to ignore them. When Nintendo comments on a rumor with a public statement whether for or against, it generally means they have something actually at stake in said rumor.
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Nintendo NX won't use Android. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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How Nintendo handles most rumors is to ignore them. When Nintendo comments on a rumor with a public statement whether for or against, it generally means they have something actually at stake in said rumor.
There's a whole range of possibilities here so we're not going to know who was truthful until people dig into the NX's OS (barring Nintendo announcing a partnership with Google).
They could be doing something totally new that isn't Android, using a Linux kernel similar to it, making a new OS using pieces of Android code, making a new Android fork, etc.
They could be doing something totally new that isn't Android, using a Linux kernel similar to it, making a new OS using pieces of Android code, making a new Android fork, etc.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Keep doing you, Nintendo.
This is good news.
This is good news.
Either way, I don't think it's going to matter to me directly as an end user. Even if Nintendo uses some version of Android as a base OS, they're still going to modify the hell out of it for their own needs along with providing a custom UI. Like how the Dreamcast used WinCE for some titles (and even had a "Powered by Windows CE" on the console) but nobody really knew or cared which ones those were.
UncleSporky
Member
You don't see the important wording difference between "that article is speculative" and There is no truth to the report saying that we are planning to adopt Android for NX?
An article can be speculative and still end up true. If "there is no truth" to the report, then there's really no other way that can be interpreted.
Honestly, look up past Nintendo denials that have proved true. They all leave Nintendo an out. Not this one.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
This is what I'm also thinking. But if anyone can turn around the negative perception of game consoles "powered by Android", it's likely gonna be Nintendo.
So Nintendo is in a position where it can't deny anything because they can't be trusted. Sucks for them. Is silence better, then?
I would look at the language of both statements. They didn't deny the XL existed: they called it speculative. Which it was, yet correct speculation. They said they had no plans to release games on mobile. That was true for a long time. Now they're going to release games, but not mainline titles. Instead, there'll be games that better fit the style of games made for mobile, yet using existing IP. It's not the same scenario that they were denying initially, but undoubtedly, some plans did change.
In this case, it's much firmer language. There's "no truth" to it, rather than being mere speculation. Interpret that how you please, but I've chosen mine.
You can make the argument that they're framing things to their advantage, but seeing swathes of posts simply interpreting the opposite of what Nintendo is saying is obstinate, and is just setting oneself up for likely disappointment.
Powdered Toastman
Member
Brought to you by the Iraqi minister of information surely!
KojiKnight
Member
There is plenty of room for Nintendo to wiggle in their statement... All they said is that they weren't adopting Android. I'd say this is 100% true... Nintendo isn't going to release a system with a pure Android operating system... but as many have pointed out, Nintendo would likely modify the OS heavily if they used it... As Linux is the base for Android, Android could be the base for the next OS while still being something unique.
SwordStruck
Member
Nintendo did specifically deny plans to make mini-games, not full fledged titles, for mobile devices after Nikkei reported it. Say what you will about semantics but Nikkei has a very good track record.
As a lifelong Nintendo fanboy and a close follower of all things Nintendo over the years, my Nintuition(Trademark pending) is telling that they are indeed using android in some form or fashion for their next OS.
I for one think this will be a good thing based off what I've read. Someone care to persuade me otherwise to why this is bad?
I for one think this will be a good thing based off what I've read. Someone care to persuade me otherwise to why this is bad?
Finale Fireworker
Member
Wow. I would never have expected Nintendo to comment on this.
SwordStruck
Member
Do you mean security as in for your private information? Or for Nintendo's sake that people might try to mess with the OS? Because if it's only the latter, I wouldn't consider that an issue for myself or any other owner of the console.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
It basically not matter if the base for NX is android, freebsd, linux or even windows. The user will not realize which OS is used as base.
SwordStruck
Member
The latter. The risk of piracy is the obvious concern but there's no way of knowing until/if more information is released about what sort of Android fork they are using/developing.
I'm willing to bet the velocity of Nintendo dismissing the rumour means that the Android OS on NX has legs or at the very least Nintendo is tinkering with the OS. Don't be so quick to shut down Nikkei, GAF. They have a better track record than most "insiders" on GAF on what Nintendo is working on. I'm sure at E3 more rumours will abound or Nintendo will give us a quick teaser on things related to the NX.
Was gonna say is Nikkei ever right?
Fourth Storm
Member
It just makes sense to at least build off of a version of Linux. For Nintendo to design and support their own modern OS from scratch just seems a monumental task and waste of resources. Iwata has recently emphasized how Nintendo should focus on their strengths while using other companies to cover their weaknesses. Well, their OS has been a huge weakness this gen.
Yeah, this is why the rumor made no sense to me. After the Wii and DS being cracked wide open, and the Wii U and 3DS being relatively far more secure, why would they then backtrack and use one of the most easily (and often) exploitable operating systems there is?
I would think they'd be focusing on locking it down for their own purposes. I doubt they'd be sticking to stock Android and calling it a day.
Chû Totoro
Member
I wasn't really convinced by the news but do people still believe that Android is a sub par OS?
Android can be really different from what you have on your Nexus you know.
In fact, Nintendo denying it this quick and the NX Platform being used a lot by Nintendo makes me think that even if it's not Android they are going for this sort of approach so maybe a more dedicated OS but with Android platform compatibility?
I guess we'll see next year, I'm here to play games and I don't really care what is in the console since it's delivering fun all over my face.
Android can be really different from what you have on your Nexus you know.
In fact, Nintendo denying it this quick and the NX Platform being used a lot by Nintendo makes me think that even if it's not Android they are going for this sort of approach so maybe a more dedicated OS but with Android platform compatibility?
I guess we'll see next year, I'm here to play games and I don't really care what is in the console since it's delivering fun all over my face.
James Scott
Banned
IIRC, they 3DS XL rumors were inaccurate. I think the battery life and the screen size weren't the same as it turned out to be
As for whether or not Nintendo should use android comes down to piracy. Android is afflicted greatly by it, has been for awhile, not sure if that makes the NX more hackable/pirate able than if it didn't use android.
Other than that, I guess it makes some sense. A lot of people are experienced with developing for android.
Unless I'm misunderstanding what "using android" means
As for whether or not Nintendo should use android comes down to piracy. Android is afflicted greatly by it, has been for awhile, not sure if that makes the NX more hackable/pirate able than if it didn't use android.
Other than that, I guess it makes some sense. A lot of people are experienced with developing for android.
Unless I'm misunderstanding what "using android" means
SwordStruck
Member
The thing is history has shown that it doesn't matter. Amazon developed a heavily modified fork of Android when creating the Fire OS, but that was also rooted fairly quickly.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
This is what i get reading the old thread and this one.
One of the only negatives of android based could be the piracy rampant on that OS (and that can be ahuge disadvantage that would be aperfect motive to not want android OS). But is like some people here are confusing OS with the type of power the hardware could have.
There are windows 7s installed on shitty hardware and in supercomputers right now, so why is one thing have to do with the other?
Doesnt matter either way. Exciting times are ahead.
Are there any devices using modified Android that are root-proof?
Is anything root-proof?
That's what it comes down to for me, really. Regardless of what Nintendo adopts, there will be guys doing everything they can to get their foot in the backdoor. And even with wide-open systems like the DS and Wii, they still managed to sell a crapload of software.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I don't understand why some Nintendo fans are scared to death of the mere idea that it could use an android based OS. You think Nintendo is going to give you access to the play store or something? Start making all their games F2P? It will probably be so heavily modified that you would have no idea it was even android unless you were told. And whatever the NX is, whether it's a tablet, some sort of hybrid, a ouya set top box or even a fucking watch it probably would have been that with or without android. You guys are working yourselves up and getting overly defensive over nothing.
InsaneZero
Member
The single biggest motivation that I can think of is that Nintendo would not want someone else to describe the features of their next product before they could. Typically, a company wants to make sure that they set the expectations first so that the public doesn't have the wrong impression of what the product is actually going to be like.
In this case, if Nintendo was actually working on an Android-based platform (which I still believe they are), they would not be actually describing it as such. Using the word "Android" makes people think of their phones and tablets (see the other thread for some great examples), and gives people the impression that the NX is a mobile platform. Nintendo has been very adamant about portraying the NX as a dedicated game system (by the fact that we even know about it right now), so this kind of rumor had to be quashed in order to maintain that expectation regardless of whether it was true or not.
In the case that Nintendo does use an Android fork, they would probably want to reveal it after they demonstrate the basic capabilities of the NX so that people don't ask about mobile. I don't actually see Nintendo highlighting Android at all quite honestly, since they would probably put in enough work from the base that it doesn't resemble anything that the public would know about Android.
That's an easy one: they're focused right now on their current business, and they want to discuss NX on their own terms and away from having to be gung-ho about trying to sell more Wii Us and 3DSs.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
People are still in denial, huh? Based random Nintendo spokesman. Love the title change, by the way.
Nintendo denies EVERY rumor, even the ones that turn out to be true... like this one will. Nikkei has a near perfect track record when it comes to Nintendo rumors.
Nintendo denies EVERY rumor, even the ones that turn out to be true... like this one will. Nikkei has a near perfect track record when it comes to Nintendo rumors.
johnnyfive
Banned
I'm not sure there is anything really wrong with it.
I just don't care to see Nintendo's next generation turn into something resembling Google Play, where there is no ethic or quality control. I get enough of a whiff of that with some of the shovelware padding Nintendo's eShop now.
According to this:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...04959-can-verizon-s5-5-0-lollipop-rooted.html
The verizon S5 can only be rooted by replacing it's rom with a similar samsung rom that is rootable. In nintendo's case it would make your device useless.
Agree - they won't make android a feature, they'll make easy portability a feature towards devs.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
I welcome our new Android overlords
crooked spin
Member
See, that's what I thought... weird seeing people say otherwise.
M1ch04c4n0
Banned
So, all the freak out for nothing, and, just as John Snow, we know nothing.
It's not like an entirely closed system has stopped utter shit like Meme Run from releasing on the eShop.
johnnyfive
Banned
You're right, but I hope it doesn't go much farther than that.
Shovelware's gonna happen regardless of what OS they use as their base. It won't turn into Google Play, but it'll still have garbage popping up on whatever the equivalent for Warawara plaza is. It's just the nature of the beast.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
The only thing they were "wrong" about was Seaman 3DS, but that could have been cancelled. The rest of the article is correct, since they announced Bayonetta 2 (IP revival) later that year.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463844
Bioshocker
Member
Of course they'll deny it at this early stage. If they announce it at E3 next year no one will hold it against them anyway. Better keep all the cards close to the chest.