Me: NINTENDO, NINTENDO! Is it true you are going to clear the rest of your Wii-U stock by giving them away in boxes of cereal?
Nintendo: "No, that is not true"
Me: Got ya! Hello free Wii U
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Nintendo NX won't use Android. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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Me: NINTENDO, NINTENDO! Is it true you are going to clear the rest of your Wii-U stock by giving them away in boxes of cereal?
Nintendo: "No, that is not true"
Me: Got ya! Hello free Wii U
Nikkei often gets the details wrong (Seaman 3DS, 3DS game installs, etc) even if their larger story leans in the right direction. I expect this Android story will turn out similarly.
Not a perfect track record by any means, but usually pointing towards the truth.
People in the previous thread saw Android and immediately though "Google Phone or Tablet". So the first couple of pages was posters thinking Nintendo fully converting to phone based games/making an allegiance with Google. In addition, you have some posters with bad experiences with Android Phones/bad impressions about the Android phone user base seeping into the discussion in regards to hacking and piracy.
The key is as you stated, Nintendo is free to modify Android into anything they want. It's just a base to give them something to build off of vs people thinking they will be downloading Nintendo games from the Google Play store and using Google+ accounts.
Fourth Storm
Member
sörine;166171584 said:
Indeed. I'm not saying the rumor is true, but I wouldn't discount it completely. Even if they are using a version of Linux instead of Android, Nintendo are likely switching to a new CPU architecture and would have quite a bit of work cut out for them if they are to build an OS from scratch that is hardware agnostic.
The one poster who wrote about Nintendo liking to control their narrative had a good point. If Nintendo were to go w/ an Android-based OS, they wouldn't want people to think it was out of desperation and third party abandonment.
Weltall Zero
Member
That's a peculiarly worded response. It's as if they wanted to shoot down that particular report without committing to say whether it will actually use Android or not.
Lol, wasn't the 3DS XL announced later that exact month?
That's fine with me. Nintendo is the only company in the console business that consistently tries to bring "unique" ideas to the table. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.
All I know is, I'm having fun with my Wii U and I hope Nintendo stays stubborn for as long as possible. I can't wait to get home and SPLAT.
All I know is, I'm having fun with my Wii U and I hope Nintendo stays stubborn for as long as possible. I can't wait to get home and SPLAT.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Yes.
I'm sure Amazon didn't want people having access to the at store on the kindle fire or the fire tv but it happened because android will always be android.
Rodney McKay
Member
The AT&T and (I think) Verizon versions of the Note 4 still haven't been cracked and it's been out for 7 or 8 months already. There's even an ever growing bounty of a few thousand dollars for anyone that does manage it, but there's been no news about progress at all from what I've seen.
Exactly. They could use freebsd base like the PS3, PS4 Vita does... How many even know this or try to run PS3, PS4 games on a FreeBSD PC? Or try to get FreeBSD software running on one of those systems out the box, no modding?
googleplex
Member
No ridiculously bad.
KojiKnight
Member
The kindle is 100% android though for pure compatibilities sake, there is no reason why Nintendo would have to or want to maintain compatibility with Android proper like Amazon would.
I know fuck all about Android to be honest. Is it more or less secure than the systems Nintendo's been releasing now? Because Nintendo's systems have been hacked almost instantly as of late.
Would Android be useful as a shortcut to developing an account system that fits with modern expectations?
Is it possible to make games that are still exclusive if using an Android-based OS?
Would Android be useful as a shortcut to developing an account system that fits with modern expectations?
Is it possible to make games that are still exclusive if using an Android-based OS?
Pokemaniac
Member
This denial really means nearly nothing. Even if they do use Android, it will be customized to the point that it is basically unrecognizable unless you're a dev.
Android can be as secure as Nintendo wants to make it. The main benefit of using it is so that they don't have to start from square zero making a new OS. If Nintendo customizes the OS enough (which they most likely will if they decide to use it) it is easily possible to still have exclusive games.
Android can be as secure as Nintendo wants to make it. The main benefit of using it is so that they don't have to start from square zero making a new OS. If Nintendo customizes the OS enough (which they most likely will if they decide to use it) it is easily possible to still have exclusive games.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Thank God.
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Deleted member 752119
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Exactly. So I wouldn't read much into any of this.
IMO they're dumb to totally develop their own OS. OS design has never been their strong point, and it's more complex now since they want to keep any future handhelds and consoles unified on an architecture and OS basis per statements from Iwata. Android already scales easily and is easily modifiable. Why not use it vs. spending tons of money on R&D to build a new OS that may not end up working as well?
I think too many people just think "simple phone/tablet OS" when they hear Android, vs. the reality of it just being a fairly robust OS that companies can customize however they want for their devices.
Curry-Hakase
Member
KojiKnight
Member
#1: Wii U is still unhacked beyond Wii mode, and it took several years for hackers to do anything meaningful to 3DS outside of DS BC mode as well. As for security, as mentioned above it can be as secure or insecure as Nintendo and it's engineers can make it. The key advantages would be not reinventing the wheel and it would be easier for middleware and developers to adapt and program for it.
#2: Not unless Nintendo is going to use Google for it's accounts, it won't. Nintendo's lack of accounts has nothing to do with any sort of real difficulty and has everything to do instead with their own stubborness and lack of any ambition on the subject.
#3: Easily.
……forgetit
Member
Eh, I still think this could go either way, we'll see in a year.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
All we need now a denial from Nintendo of Europe and we got ourselves a confirmation of using Android
KojiKnight
Member
By all means, point to me to a press statement Nintendo has made on your cereal box question and we may yet have them in raisin brand yet.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
This thread made me realize that once it's fully confirmed, it will be a very funny thread.
Even if Nintendo using Android as a base for their new OS can only mean good things.
Even if Nintendo using Android as a base for their new OS can only mean good things.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Sounds clear to me.
Quadraphonic
Member
Sure. Look up people trying to root the Motorola Photon 4G. Or virtually any Verizon phone.
Only because of Google's requirements to leave certain things usable (Bootloader, ADB, Unverified apps) are Android devices open to exploits.
It's very very easy to make an Android-based OS locked down. You need simply remove the vectors that are used.
googleplex
Member
More like shot themselves in the foot
Kind of Sort of.....
There are devices out there where you have to jump through extreme hoops to root, and some where the bootloaders remain locked to this day.
I say kind of sort of, because at the end of the day, Android on Mobile devices (Phones, Tablets) all run on similar hardware, so the kernels are typically the same (with differences here and there).
So these hard to root device, usually have a temp root, or fastboot/ ADB pain in the ass work around.
I assume Nintendo's device would be unique enough to were you just cant throw towel root on there and open it up. Im not familiar with how the Shield is, and if it can be rooted, but it may be similar.
Of course the scene will be heavy on finding a way to root the NX, but Im sure Nintendo would have security in place, and maybe update the games to try and stay in front of them.
Pretty much if you want to this of how Androids work, just imagine you are talking about Linux (because you pretty much are). Where I work, we use Red Hat on lots of servers, do you think companies are worry because Ubuntu is so easy to modify? Same thing
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Everyone keeps posting that Miyamoto statement about the 3DS, but he dodged the question--he never actually came out and said "no, it's not happening."
This time we got a definitive "no." It isn't the same situation.
This time we got a definitive "no." It isn't the same situation.
cleveridea
Member
Next up ... rumors NX will be based on Brillo
hemo memo
Gold Member
They don't that's why I believe the insider here and I take this as a conformation.
The main takeaway, even if the Android rumours are untrue, is that they came about because Nintendo is shopping around for a pre-built OS instead of trying to roll their own again like they did with the Wii U and failed.
So either way, it's a good thing for everyone, we'll end up with a better user experience because of it. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
So either way, it's a good thing for everyone, we'll end up with a better user experience because of it. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
crooked spin
Member
The main takeaway, even if the Android rumours are untrue, is that they came about because Nintendo is shopping around for a pre-built OS instead of trying to roll their own again like they did with the Wii U and failed.
So either way, it's a good thing for everyone, we'll end up with a better user experience because of it. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
Indeed, all I care about is that they don't try to make it themselves.
Vyse The Legend
Member
Indeed. They're going to fork it like Amazon did with Fire OS.
FunkyDealer
Banned
Won't anybody think of the children? Imagine all the stability updates an android powered Nintendo device would need!
Pancakes R Us
Member
Me too. Nikkei has been pretty reliable when it comes to Nintendo.
android development is a mess, so no.
people are overestimating how much the OS matters for porting. Typically you want as little to do with the OS as possible in your code, but android forces you to do some weird stuff and the way it handles multitasking is just needlessly complex for a game console.
As for the APIs. they could still use OpenGLES and OpenSL even without android (they probably won't), and any other hardware features, their accounts stuff and online functionality will have custom APIs anyway.
I still would rather have a Android OS than a made from ground up for the next console. Maybe they ARE using Android, but so heavily modified it won't resemble what people know about Android at all. It makes sense to use it since there are loads of different interfaces for different devices, and Nintendo wants to connect their platforms. That would be a easy way to do it.
Even though I'm a happy Android user since 2.3 I'm glad about this news. Don't understand the mostly negative perception of the OS for Wii U. In it's concurrent version it runs great, looks great and just works. My PS4 doesn't feel faster or smoother. I think in terms of the HW specs of Wii U it is quite an achievement of Nintendo. PS3 feels very slow, sluggish and janky up until today.
I'm looking forward to NX and it's OS.
At the end of the day I don't care as long as it works like 3DS and Wii U and runs my Ninty games. Especially Splatoon 2
I'm looking forward to NX and it's OS.
At the end of the day I don't care as long as it works like 3DS and Wii U and runs my Ninty games. Especially Splatoon 2
Even though I'm a happy Android user since 2.3 I'm glad about this news. Don't understand the mostly negative perception of the OS for Wii U. In it's concurrent version it runs great, looks great and just works. My PS4 doesn't feel faster or smoother. I think in terms of the HW specs of Wii U it is quite an achievement of Nintendo. PS3 feels very slow, sluggish and janky up until today.
I'm looking forward to NX and it's OS.
At the end of the day I don't care as long as it works like 3DS and Wii U and runs my Ninty games. Especially Splatoon 2
You mean your PS3 right? Otherwise that'd be a defective PS4, because pressing the home button, switching between the store and a game, accessing your friends list etc. is just much faster on the PS4. Obviously due to the better hardware and all, but navigating the PS4 OS is a much snappier experience.