WrenchNinja
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Not Enough Shaders: ACKKStudios claims gaming site fished for Nintendo bashing answer
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Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Seriously, looks like we need to have gaming journo ombudsman.
fabricated backlash
Member
It was truly stupid and unprofessional. The story is in the open now anyway, thank god the internet is still a democratic place for information (wonder how long).
Personally I feel sorry for the developers. Getting a big interview for your game, getting your hopes up, just to then realize that it isn't your work that's on the agenda must be pretty disheartening.
On the other hand, maybe this is good. Maybe it is time for a new establishment of video game information sources.
She published an article without consent from the developer? Wow. How did she think that was a good idea to name the studio if that was the case?
Sir_Crocodile
Member
...she means sending the finished article to the studio to make sure that they're happy with what she's about to publish
I think she means permission to publish the story in the first place. But who knows? Maybe the original article was just hearsay from secondary sources.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Hey man, I heard a rumor that you cheated on your wife. Is that true? Wait... you didn't? Ahh shit, did I ask this question on the internet? DELETE, DELETE!
SteveWinwood
Member
You can't be this daft.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
And this, indie developers, is why you don't trust or form special relationships with people like Emily Rogers.
SteveWinwood
Member
There is a reason most people have to go to school and get a degree for that stuff.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
Schreier doesn't bother to fact check & you think he will follow unwritten rules of professional courtesy(& Rogers probably has a worse record than he does)?
Eh, you generally fall over a few times when you do things with your life. You can apologise and learn from it or curl up in a ball and shut the world out. I think you'll find a lot of the guys from your favourite sites have a similar story to tell.
Edit: WTF? Lol...
Sir_Crocodile
Member
How can you reverse ferret when that aspect of the story has already been confirmed
The use of "written" rather than "published" is an interesting one. Was there zero empirical basis for the assertion that Kotaku was refusing to publish the ACKK interview due to it being insufficient click-bait? In other words, was that slant just an assumption on her part?
StreetsAhead
Member
Well that escalated quickly.
So now we're jumping from the original issue presented to "ha it's been taken down lolz!"?
The article was about iffy questions being asked under maybe not false but at least unclear pretense. That's what needs to be addressed.
I don't really think making this about thorough research how this should evolve. I also strongly believe that it's not exactly the classiest way to basically shift focus away from the original issue by publicly calling out rookie mistakes. Kotaku could've reached out to NES just as easily and asked them to take the article down or to clarify things since they were a) not publicly named and b) will walk away from this undamaged while both the developers and NES' rep will take a hit in certain circles.
Not very nice.
edit: Apparently the original article wasn't even about Kotaku. Kinda makes it even less nice, Mr. Schreier.
The article was about iffy questions being asked under maybe not false but at least unclear pretense. That's what needs to be addressed.
I don't really think making this about thorough research how this should evolve. I also strongly believe that it's not exactly the classiest way to basically shift focus away from the original issue by publicly calling out rookie mistakes. Kotaku could've reached out to NES just as easily and asked them to take the article down or to clarify things since they were a) not publicly named and b) will walk away from this undamaged while both the developers and NES' rep will take a hit in certain circles.
Not very nice.
edit: Apparently the original article wasn't even about Kotaku. Kinda makes it even less nice, Mr. Schreier.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
It wasn't, until they decided it was. Then it was concluded that it wasn't so it is.
Castor Krieg
Banned
grimshawish
Banned
Are we back on for Polygon?
Also not just naming the dev but then hinting at the site. She was supposed to be making a wider point; no need for specifics on who asked what. Its the fact it was supposedly all to be negative.
The interview was for NES; they just haven't posted it yet.
Devs twitter says they do lots of interviews tbf; I do think the real story here is that a Kotaku employee thought it was them from being accused of click baiting.
Unless they were asking leading questions; trying to get a click story and this is the real reason it hasn't been posted yet.
So Kotaku? What made you think it was you?
Also not just naming the dev but then hinting at the site. She was supposed to be making a wider point; no need for specifics on who asked what. Its the fact it was supposedly all to be negative.
The interview was for NES; they just haven't posted it yet.
Devs twitter says they do lots of interviews tbf; I do think the real story here is that a Kotaku employee thought it was them from being accused of click baiting.
Unless they were asking leading questions; trying to get a click story and this is the real reason it hasn't been posted yet.
So Kotaku? What made you think it was you?
SteveWinwood
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They should have talked to each other.
As someone who writes articles for NotEnoughShaders, I agree the article should probably of been updated for the sake of journalism (even though we are just a small community posting interviews we are lucky enough to get and no one is paid, clicks don't actually mean anything on our site since there isn't a single ad on it)
But had we of updated the article instead of pull it, it would of hurt ACKKStudios, there really isn't much harm it could do to us, at least that I could imagine, but these guys have a great game in two brothers and I really want to see that succeed, also I am interested in future unannounced titles that they are likely already putting together. So considering them, we had to pull it, I hope our site learns from this but at the same time, I don't want to be afraid to report something either.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Can you bet on yourself as the rider of the winning horse?
Basileus777
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I'm on it being Kotaku but she's trying to pretend it wasn't in some attempt to cover her ass.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Wow, such a classic thread, I don't even know what to say now.
The last two pages of stuff, wow.
Writer for the site uses "Would of" instead of "Would've" or "would have" :/
The last two pages of stuff, wow.
Writer for the site uses "Would of" instead of "Would've" or "would have" :/
excaliburps
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While it's easy to bash Jason on this, I can say from experience that interviews don't go up in the day that you finish them. I've had features pushed back for days/weeks due to timing and other internal stuff, too.
EDIT: For an ETA, I normally don't even say that we will have X stuff up on X date. It will be up, when it's up. Once it is, you just email the person or company to let them know.
In short, publishing an interview with a relatively unknown studio during the "Call of Duty, AC3, etc." "news" week is not a good idea. I agree with Scheier on this. Simply put, there's a reason why there are tons of Black Ops 2, etc. news and whatnot. It's because that's what people want to read up on when that game is near or around release.
Of course, we can't say for certain if Jason was baiting for negative Nintendo stuff for hits. If so, that's a no-no, too.
The bigger problem here is that this Emily didn't even try to reach Jason or even the studio (based on her tweet) and running the piece. I mean, Twitter is a click away and it's not like you have to jump through PR hoops to get a response. It's just uncalled for given how easy it is to do nowadays.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Defendants have heard from the witnesses. Key witness still missing from the scene.
Hydranockz
Member
2 pages in and already more twists than my headphone cable. Nice.
darkistheway
Member
Emily says it wasn't Kotaku but Kotaku says it was. Is this the beginning of the end? Were the Mayans right? Is a spacetime vortex about to swallow the Earth? Does gaming journalism suck?
The Faceless Master
Member
maybe Kotaku wasn't the only site doing it?
Vermillion
Banned
I don't know why, but I'm fucking dying.
Heh, that's also the first thing I noticed when reading the post.
You mean to say that there are more journalists who get high off WiiUs?
abstract alien
Member
I hate the fact that we are no longer shocked by things like this.