New update confirms this. This is really disappointing.
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Oculus Rift - Dev Kit Discussion [Orders Arriving]
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New update confirms this. This is really disappointing.
Yeah, I was thinking I might finally try Unity again, but $1500 is pretty expensive for hobby experimentation, so I'd rather not do the limited time trial thing. I'm hoping the UDK (or new version of the UDK) ends up supporting it for free. It would kind of suck if all major engine support for the new hardware ends up being behind $1000+ pay walls or limited demos.
Also, from the official Oculus site, they had said:
So I guess there may have been a change of plans regarding the "free versions"?
Also:
It sounds like the racing game from that earlier picture may just be a demo they made themselves, rather than any existing product.Kickstarter said:
Yeah, I was thinking I might finally try Unity again, but $1500 is pretty expensive for hobby experimentation, so I'd rather not do the limited time trial thing. I'm hoping the UDK (or new version of the UDK) ends up supporting it for free. It would kind of suck if all major engine support for the new hardware ends up being behind $1000+ pay walls or limited demos.
Also, from the official Oculus site, they had said:
So I guess there may have been a change of plans regarding the "free versions"?
Also:
It sounds like the racing game from that earlier picture may just be a demo they made themselves, rather than any existing product.
It's a shame that hobbyist devs will be turned away from Unity, so yeah, hopefully Epic will welcome them with open arms.
Edit: Unity and Sony just announced a partnership to make it easier for devs to use Unity on the PS3/PS4/Vita. I wonder....
Staying in first person the whole time is pretty important to Rift support, but absolutely. The less twitchy the game, the better.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
nah man Tribes is the perfect fit
I would be pretty shocked if the ramp up was much beyond that. Even 1500 a week sounds crazy to me for an operation of this size.
I played Tribes for about 10 years, and this man speaks the absolute truth.
Azure Dream
Member
This was a bit of an unpleasant surprise. I'm not entirely clear why it should require pro functionality, either.
Feels bad man. I just didn't have a way to jump on the Kickstarter at the time, but ouch...
I even considered trying to buy someone's kit aftermarket instead of just ordering one, but who knows what the gouging will be like.
Reddit seems to think that the pro version is required for third party Unity plugins, which is what Rift support would be I guess. So essentially Unity isn't willing to change their business model to suit the Rift. Take that with a grain of salt, because I can't confirm it.
As for how much the Rift should go for...
$500
for the TF2 hat.
Unhandled Exception
Member
Order #1460. I AM READY AS FUCK.
iceatcs
Junior Member
FPS going be little challenge for VR with mouse or gamepad. Watch TF2 video.
But it will be new fresh learning experience.
Oneironaut
Neo Member
According to a poster on mtbs (take with a grain of salt, but I don't have a reason to doubt this person), they received a reply from Oculus support saying "Sorry for the confusion. It's true, our estimates have changed. It's probably more realistic to expect website pre-orders to start shipping closer to June.
We are sorry for the delays."
At this point maybe I should scale back my expectations and hope we get hardware by Christmas.
We are sorry for the delays."
At this point maybe I should scale back my expectations and hope we get hardware by Christmas.
According to a poster on mtbs (take with a grain of salt, but I don't have a reason to doubt this person), they received a reply from Oculus support saying "Sorry for the confusion. It's true, our estimates have changed. It's probably more realistic to expect website pre-orders to start shipping closer to June.
We are sorry for the delays."
At this point maybe I should scale back my expectations and hope we get hardware by Christmas.
I want to smack whoever gave out the "500 Rifts produced per day" estimate. He was off by 200 or so.
Looking at the Verge CES demo again, it seems they are doing position tracking for leaning in addition to head rotation in the consumer version. I had feared that would be a v2 feature or they would rely on 3rd part peripherals
Yes that's how it is with the devkit, but that's not what the video nor I are referring to, which is actual leaning. It's more specifically referenced at 26:50
uuaschbaer
Banned
I hope they're going to do that by just sticking a camera on the helmet and tracking the ceiling or something rather than throwing in a kinect.
Oh sorry I misread your post, you said consumer version. Thought you meant for the dev kit
Just a little extra note about the Unity 4-month pro trial license:
It sounds like a lot of people will be gambling on UDK working with this, and working for free, if they can't even distribute hobbyist projects made using the limited pro trial.
Even if Epic required a license for distribution, most of the hobbyist projects will be too small potatoes for them to notice or care anyway. If they became big enough, getting the license would be a trivial matter.
This has me very excited as I just bought the game today and have put a few hours into it already. Oculus with wheel = so awesome!
As order # 8000 something, I'm telling myself the same thing. The people that get it in the first batch will likely play a little TF2, some of the SDK demos in Unity/Unreal, and then they'll bash their heads against poorly supported third party games that don't quite work right yet. Some people will fix those games, and hopefully by the time I get a Rift, they'll have buttoned down the games I want to play.
GraveHorizon
poop meter feature creep
So is this worth a pre-order for an average person with no developing skills? Will there really be enough things to use it for to justify spending $300 in addition to the consumer model down the line? If I get it, it'll be before April 1st to get that TF2 hat. The calibration probably means I won't be able to whip it out easily to show it to other people, which is part of why I want it.
Noisepurge
Member
yeah i would think they want _everyone_ developing and experimenting stuff with it, so supporting it with the Free version of Unity would make a lot of sense.
Good news in contrast to the Unity approach, UDK support is confirmed for free!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game/posts/436597
It looks like there are some new features coming along as well with this, like full screen supersampling up to 2x, and the ability to head-look during Matinee sequences (which can be used for canned animation/cutscenes).
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game/posts/436597
It looks like there are some new features coming along as well with this, like full screen supersampling up to 2x, and the ability to head-look during Matinee sequences (which can be used for canned animation/cutscenes).
Sis Focaccia
Member
^ That's really cool to have a custom engine ready to go.
(They also said the "snowy village" demo won't be included with the devkit, for some reason.)
I'll try to ask this question again:
Footage recorded with a 3D camera... will it have to be viewed from the same position as it was recorded, or can you position footage as sprites without losing the natural 3D?
If these trees were "3D video sprites", would this scene look natural with a Rift or would the 3D be "off" because of the distance from the original tree to the 3d camera?
Anyone have any idea?
(They also said the "snowy village" demo won't be included with the devkit, for some reason.)
I'll try to ask this question again:
Footage recorded with a 3D camera... will it have to be viewed from the same position as it was recorded, or can you position footage as sprites without losing the natural 3D?
If these trees were "3D video sprites", would this scene look natural with a Rift or would the 3D be "off" because of the distance from the original tree to the 3d camera?
Anyone have any idea?
Just got the email, awesome news
Deus Ex Machina
Member
The more programing tools the better!
Unity should probably rethink their stance before absolutely no one uses it to make Rift games. Unless Unity is so much better than UDK that someone would shell out $1500 for the privilege.
I'm kind of bummed that the snow level won't be included, but how hard could it be to add snow to the summer version? I want to see those 3D snowflakes everyone has been raving about.
I think the Rift will probably maintain most of its value from the time it comes out until the time the retail version hits shelves. It's $300 now, and if you can get $200 for it on Ebay later, you'd really only have spent $100 on it. Having said that, this is definitely a developer kit with a low res screen and it's not for people expecting a finished product.
I think it would be fairly easy to demo though. It doesn't have to be perfectly adjusted for someone to get the idea, though adjustments seem to be pretty easy to make on the fly (pop an eye cup out, adjust the distance with the side screws, etc).
I'm kind of bummed that the snow level won't be included, but how hard could it be to add snow to the summer version? I want to see those 3D snowflakes everyone has been raving about.
I think the Rift will probably maintain most of its value from the time it comes out until the time the retail version hits shelves. It's $300 now, and if you can get $200 for it on Ebay later, you'd really only have spent $100 on it. Having said that, this is definitely a developer kit with a low res screen and it's not for people expecting a finished product.
I think it would be fairly easy to demo though. It doesn't have to be perfectly adjusted for someone to get the idea, though adjustments seem to be pretty easy to make on the fly (pop an eye cup out, adjust the distance with the side screws, etc).
If the consumer version significantly changes features, eg positional tracking, new versions of games likely wouldn't support the OR without it, and its utility would be extremely limited. I wouldn't be buying a dev kit expecting to do anything other than testing or building VR experiences pre release of v1, not as a product intended to be used indefinitely or to be sold later.
they'd need to make any changes like positional tracking availble for the devkit too, for devs to support it in the consumer units. Might not be beautifully integrated but should support it.
60_gig_PS3
Banned
If you buy a dev kit and arent a developer just be prepared to have to buy another one once the feature set changes.
If I were you I'd at least wait for impressions to see how the dev kit performs.
Epic Citadel VR demo will be offered for download during April.
Consumer release may be over a year and a half out, if they do that they'd have to offer revised dev kits later on or just offer software support for the new features and ship out the consumer version for testing just before public release.
60_gig_PS3
Banned
They really shouldve upped the price on the dev kit. Im order number 47k and I feel like I have to wait for them to ship about 40k dev kits to people who arent even developers.
That's just the order number, it does not represent the total number of preorders. You are under 15k mark.
Torque 3D and Oculus Rift (A Tale in Pictures)
http://www.garagegames.com/community/blogs/view/22225
http://www.garagegames.com/community/blogs/view/22225
Video of someone demo-ing Hawken in VR Mode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OvrQ5A2dctc#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OvrQ5A2dctc#!
I found this picture interesting:
I hadn't realised just how apparent individual pixels seem to be on the dev kit.
I don't think that's the pixels, but a moiré pattern.I found this picture interesting:
I hadn't realised just how apparent individual pixels seem to be on the dev kit.
I found this picture interesting:
I hadn't realised just how apparent individual pixels seem to be on the dev kit.
Cameras pick that effect up much more than your eyes do.
Gamespot - Oculus Rift: VR Headset demo - GDC 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jENVk1N1Stg&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jENVk1N1Stg&feature=youtu.be
Yeah, those are not pixels, the structure doesn't fit at all.
Hawken looks amazing.