tyguy20204
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I doubt even eznark can be pessimistic about a 1 year, $6M (+$1.5M incentives) deal for Hoffman.
With a club option.
With a club option.
tyguy20204 said:I doubt even eznark can be pessimistic about a 1 year, $6M (+$1.5M incentives) deal for Hoffman.
With a club option.
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lol wowRBH said:
eznark said:Only a "how did we get that, something must be wrong?" type of pessimism!
Fatalah said:4.) Yankees-- OK, so if Pettitte doesn't come back, they either sign a free agent pitcher, or trade for one. I say go for Ollie, hang onto Swish and Nady!
NewLib said:Oh have fun with that. He had a 6+ ERA when he wasnt playing the Phillies or Marlins.
He has never pitched 200 innings in a season. :lolFatalah said:I've got a gut feeling! Plus he pitches innings, they say he's got a rubber arm!
tyguy20204 said:Turns out there's no club option, which sours the deal a bit. Oh well.
No way dude. Scott Boras told me otherwise.CajoleJuice said:He has never pitched 200 innings in a season. :lol
Even more hilarious: Ben Sheets has thrown more innings than him over the past 4 seasons.
captmcblack said:RE: Pettitte, fuck you man.
Please sign for $12M so I won't hate myself.
I figured you were joking. I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to rag on him.Fatalah said:No way dude. Scott Boras told me otherwise.
OK, in all seriousness, I turned to SNY last year and they were talking about how he loves to pitch, and he loves to go deep into games, and he's got a "rubber arm". That's where it comes from.
I still doubt Baldelli playing everyday or over Tacoby more so Drew. With their powers combined THEY ARE COMPLETELY HEALTHY PLAYER.......planet.captmcblack said:RE: The Red Sox getting Smoltz and Baldelli, that's great stuff if they stay healthy.
Of course I'm hoping both of them explode and are finished/useless, but whatever.
Smoltz will likely be a much better started than Laptops is, so the rotation is now this:
Beckett
Matsuzaka
Lester
Wakefield
Smoltz
If that pitches to form, that's fucking excellent.
Should Smoltz not have the length for starting, you know he could go into the pen, which shakes out like this:
Assholeface CL
Smoltz SU
Necksnap 7th
Masterson
And whatever other crap they throw out there. Pretty good pen.
Baldelli beats the shit out of Tacoby, so lineup is:
Pedroia
Baldelli
Ortiz
Youk
Bay
Lowell
Drew
SS
C
Also pretty good.
AL East is going to be ridiculous this year.
RE: The As, AL Worst is trash, and Billy Beane's actually put together a pretty good team for cheap. Cust/Giambi/Holliday is going to strike out a ton...but whenever it doesn't strike out, it is either going to walk (likely walk in runs) or homer. That should also be amazing to watch.
RE: Pettitte, fuck you man.
Please sign for $12M so I won't hate myself.
As with most soft-tossers, Hoffman is one of the most extreme flyball pitchers in baseball. Nearly half of his balls in play go in the air, which is the main reason that hes been able to run a career .280 BABIP - flyballs get turned into outs a lot more often than groundballs. Combined with his excellent command, this has allowed Hoffman to keep people off the bases and rack up the saves.
However, theres a big difference between being an extreme flyball pitcher in Petco Park and in Miller Park, which will be his new home. While Petco suppressed home runs by 14%, Miller Park inflates them by 6%. San Diego is heaven for extreme flyball guys like Hoffman, and leaving the friendly confines of that huge outfield could present some problems for him.
His CHONE projection for 2009 has him at a 4.17 ERA in a neutral park. In Miller Park, thats probably more like 4.30 to 4.40. Given that, its tough see Hoffman being better than a +1 win pitcher this year. Im betting that this isnt going to work out as well as Milwaukee would have hoped, and theyll be right back in the market for a closer again next winter.
innings, innings, innings. they need someone who's going to be almost guaranteed to give 160+ ip.clemenx said:Why the Yankees want to sign another pitcher if Pettite leaves?? Give the fucking Yankids a legit chance geez.
Joe said:how come
lol (not saying he's bad, just don't think of him as an ace)Jazzy Network said:Harang is an Ace.
Jazzy Network said:Harang is an Ace.
He has had pretty good numbers pitching in a band box.CajoleJuice said:lol (not saying he's bad, just don't think of him as an ace)
I guess he's an ace in the sense that he's one of the top 16 pitchers in the NL. 16 pitchers, 16 teams.eznark said:He has had pretty good numbers pitching in a band box.
Maybe you could trade both to the Twins for Liriano, Baker, and Slowey!Joe said:i'm expecting a nady or swisher for aaron harang type of trade.
dmann said:Bring back John Schuerholz as GM, and fire this assclown, Frank Wren quick!
There is no hope for the Braves this season...
dmann said:Bring back John Schuerholz as GM, and fire this assclown, Frank Wren quick!
There is no hope for the Braves this season...
Yeah John wasn't as good the last 5 seasons. The biggest fault was that he always thought we could resign these one year rentals. They have really come back to bite us. Although the 1 year guys usually did really well for us.Grecco said:JS has been pretty moronic for the past 5 years or so. I dont want him back either.
Slash and Burn get rid of the entire FO bring in new younger voices. We need it.
The Frankman said:My pitching order right now it terms of signing a pitcher:
Perez
Sheets
Lowe
I'd rather pay the cheaper, harder-throwing Perez who is asking for far less money than the old Lowe, who is NOT WORTH 13 mill for 4 years.
The Frankman said:My pitching order right now it terms of signing a pitcher:
Perez
Sheets
Lowe
I'd rather pay the cheaper, harder-throwing Perez who is asking for far less money than the old Lowe, who is NOT WORTH 13 mill for 4 years.
The Frankman said:My pitching order right now it terms of signing a pitcher:
Perez
Sheets
Lowe
I'd rather pay the cheaper, harder-throwing Perez who is asking for far less money than the old Lowe, who is NOT WORTH 13 mill for 4 years.