You'll always be able to get gamble codes as drops, so you don't HAVE to save them but it's useful for trying to get the MURAMASA trophy. Even with only 1 you can still save and reload but that would be really tedious. I usually use several to get new gear if I haven't found any via code chips in a while (still reloading save if I get nothing useful). I forget how common or uncommon they were in Abyss but recently in Babel and Cross Blood I've always been hovering around 20 or so.
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Operation Abyss: New Tokyo Legacy - |OT| The truth about 8.
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You'll always be able to get gamble codes as drops, so you don't HAVE to save them but it's useful for trying to get the MURAMASA trophy. Even with only 1 you can still save and reload but that would be really tedious. I usually use several to get new gear if I haven't found any via code chips in a while (still reloading save if I get nothing useful). I forget how common or uncommon they were in Abyss but recently in Babel and Cross Blood I've always been hovering around 20 or so.
You can get gamble codes as monster drops, so you don't have to save them. You can use them to get MURAMASA, I believe:
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Those gamble codes you can gain more from the 2nd half of the game so its up to you to decide when to use them. You just need to remember what they will do is turn said item into a random +-3 level item from the base item used.
Yeah you can. Creating a squeaky hammer then using gamble codes on it is the easiest way to do it ahead of time. Its cheaper than actually buying the thing then trying the gamble codes anyways.
Buy the Curry Cares in the store. Use one for the quest where you find Hachi. The quest never actually ends so just clear it once I guess. I think the only issue here is that you also need Curry Care later and it's harder to get, but not impossible (has to be found through random drops?)
Yeah make so to clear all quests before the 2nd semester, specifically the Wanted Variants. The midpoint is very clearly marked with a 'Yes'/'No' option so it's obvious.
Gamble Codes you get from drops in the second part and they transform items into another of the same 'level'. There's a trophy for using them in general and also for getting a specific item from them.
Otherwise the rest of the trophies seem story/postgame related, or doing something a # of times, like crafting, battling, etc. Likely unmissable.
Use unite skills often as you go through the game (with an Academic these are almost broken anyway)
I just tried that and got MURAMASA. Got excited seeing how it was so much better than my current weapons for my samurai. Too bad for the HP-
.Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
I just tried that and got MURAMASA. Got excited seeing how it was so much better than my current weapons for my samurai. Too bad for the HP-
Nice and congrats! that was fast, unlike that poor bastard who did it 70 something times lol
I just tried that and got MURAMASA. Got excited seeing how it was so much better than my current weapons for my samurai. Too bad for the HP-
Shouldn't be too hard to find an option item or even some armor that has HP+ to cancel it out.
I just tried that and got MURAMASA. Got excited seeing how it was so much better than my current weapons for my samurai. Too bad for the HP-
Just equip another HP+ equipment and it's all good.
Joke's on me because I died and didn't save. Time to try again!
Oh yeah, for some reason I thought I already had HP+ and it just didn't work. Now I remember I switched my gear around, so I'll try that thanks
.Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Joke's on me because I died and didn't save. Time to try again!
Oh yeah, for some reason I thought I already had HP+ and it just didn't work. Now I remember I switched my gear around, so I'll try that thanks
D: lol
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Nice! Glad to see it was in an actual box too for shipping. That from NISA or Amazon?
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Thanks! Do hope you enjoy the game.
Should get busy in here again with folks in the US side starting to get their copies and such .
jamsethoth
Member
Man, I'm excited to pick this up tomorrow. DRPGs are my jam. It's all I'm gonna play to and from work for the next month.
Alright, here's my review: http://battlescreen.net/2015/06/08/review-operation-abyss-new-tokyo-legacy/
Feel free to add it to the OP along with the other reviews.
Feel free to add it to the OP along with the other reviews.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
My copies arrived today.
Probably should have emailed NISA to get one of them canceled..oh well.
Probably should have emailed NISA to get one of them canceled..oh well.
names2hard4you
Member
Very solid read, good job. Can't wait to dive in.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
My copies arrived today.
Probably should have emailed NISA to get one of them canceled..oh well.
You should go toss one up on the GAF buy / sell thread.
My copies arrived today.
Probably should have emailed NISA to get one of them canceled..oh well.
I think I might be interested in getting the LE if you're going to part with your extra one, but I don't live in America. Would it be remotely possible to get a shipping estimate for me? I live in New Zealand.
Kresnik258
Member
Enjoyed reading, thanks.
I've been feeling a bit bummed out that I bought Demon Gaze a few months ago instead of waiting for this. Not that I didn't enjoy DG (it wasn't fantastic, but it was solid) but more that these two look very similar in gameplay terms but of the two, I much prefer the aesthetic in Operation Abyss.
Everything I keep reading about it being more difficult makes me feel better though. I'll try to finish up Demon Gaze if I ever get past the bit I'm stuck on, then I can move onto this in a few months without fear of feeling overwhelmed by it I guess.
dakkumauji
Member
Got an email from NISA saying my LE shipped.
Check tracking and it shows it was delivered 3 hours ago. :O
Check tracking and it shows it was delivered 3 hours ago. :O
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Look like its happening on the Western front haha.
Did you check to see if you can buy it from the shop? They sell some of the lower level junk weapons/armor but I don't remember if they have that one or not.
holy shit, THANK YOU! I feel so dumb lol
If you mean to take a picture of the armor on your character, if you go into the equip menus you can press select I think to hide most of the UI to get a clear view of it. No way to hide armor that's already equipped though.
I don't think so, I'm kinda glad I went with the new sprites. What do you mean with the menu appearing?
RPG_Fanatic
Member
My shipment was just processed. Hopefully it doesn't take too long to reach Canada.
Oh no it wasn't to take pictures of characters, it was to take pictures of some of the enemy speech.
When I try to take pictures of within battle or a dialogue scene I get something like this and it annoys me
And boo about the equipment part, but oh well not a big issue, but some of the headgear in the portraits annoy me.
I think you just need to be quicker on hitting start after holding the PS button.
Er, other way around. Or something.
Press the PS button before the start button, but close enough for the system to take it as simultaneous. It takes time and it ruins other games as well, but I've managed to acquire that skill with time.
Shifty1897
Member
GAF, should I get this or Oreshika? Can anyone who has played Oreshika and Demon Gaze/Operation Abyss elaborate on which is the better option?
My only experience with dungeon crawlers is Unchained Blades, which I thought was good, not great.
My only experience with dungeon crawlers is Unchained Blades, which I thought was good, not great.
Finished the game. The last dungeon would be a pain the ass if it weren't for a guide I was using. The last boss trolled me hard for 3 fights with insane damage, critical hits and healing.
The fourth time, it was barely any challenge at all.
I will write the review before going into the post game content.
The fourth time, it was barely any challenge at all.
I will write the review before going into the post game content.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Two totally different games design wise but will depend what you want out of the title.
Unchained Blades was a bit of an odd title, hit and miss with folks not exactly what I would call a standard of the genre.
All of the above I do have experience with so need to know what you are looking for in your next game.
vagabondarts
Member
My copy arrives tomorrow!!!
Pretty stoked
Pretty stoked
names2hard4you
Member
My copy just shipped and will be here tomorrow ~~~
Well, they are very different types of games. Operation Abyss is a bit simpler to describe - it's a mostly straightforward first-person dungeon crawler, like Demon Gaze. While I'm not the most familiar person with this genre (although I have played a handful of games within it), Operation Abyss is seemingly more firmly rooted in a Wizardy / Thac0 style than Demon Gaze was. As for the actual dungeon-crawling aspect of this dungeon crawler, you move around a grid step-by-step with a first person viewpoint. In these dungeons you can find items lying around, switches to open paths and doors, and of course enemies to battle. There are both random encounters and enemy icons on the map that will initiate encounters as well.
Battles are also in first person, and your party can be arranged into a front and back row. Each class has different equipment types they are allowed to wield, as well as special abilities that can be used to deal damage or bolster your team. These aspects of the combat are fairly typical and don’t really need any more explanation than that. The basic set up is satisfactory and allows for a fair bit of customization in how you pick classes and roles to build your team.
Operation Abyss's hook is the modern/futuristic setting and artstyle. Mechanically speaking there is a loot system in which you can get weapons/armor, pieces of weapons/armor, and pieces to enhance weapons/armor. It's not very complex, but still satisfying in allowing yourself to upgrade equipment (I like it more than Demon Gaze's gem/portal system for equipment which was a bit too easy to exploit.) Maps are grids that fill out as you traverse them. It's fun to navigate these mazes to find secrets, stronger monsters to kill, etc.
Seems like quite a few people simply have a distaste for first person crawling, battles, so be aware that most of the game you'll be looking down hallways and fighting 2D demon sprites with your character-face icons.
Here's a screenshot after I beat a boss pretty handily:
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Oreshika on the other hand is very unique, it's difficult to compare to other games (or even subgenres) because it's unalike most things. In fact, many of the game's systems are not initially intuitive, even for RPG veterans - it takes some getting used to. (It's not really a 'dungeon crawler', or at least that's only a very partial label). The most surface-level description of Oreshika: Tainted Bloodlines is that it is a 'Turn-Based JRPG'. Well, that's true, but there are many other crucial elements to the game architecture that make it more unique and interesting than such a description implies. In fact, the direct battle system is probably least interesting part of the game. Combat is not overly ornate or complex but it's satisfactory and gets the job done. You have to balance your characters, their trades, and abilities, in order to overcome foes, but most of the actual 'gameplay' really lies outside of battle.
Dungeons are a good example of this - most JRPGs have dungeon progression done in sequence. You enter and complete the first one, and then you head to the second, and so on. Oreshika switches this up a bit. There are about eight or so main dungeons in the game, but the order in which they become available to you changes from player to player. Not only that, but each dungeon has 4 slightly different possible layouts, and these can change mid game depending on when you enter it. While they are not really ‘randomly generated’, this can make traversing them a little confusing as paths can change up on you from one visit to the next. You kinda do dungeons 'in-parallel' rather than the more typical 'in-series'. Dungeons cannot be fully explored upon the first visit. Many paths are closed off by colored padlocks, and require the corresponding colored key to open new paths and unlock shortcuts. Keys are not necessarily found in the same dungeon, rather, keys are ubiquitous and are probably hiding somewhere else. For example, you might find the Green Key hidden away at the end of the 5th dungeon you dive into, which will open up any Green Lock in any of the other dungeons, opening up new paths.
As an additional note, time passes are you explore dungeons, so finding shortcuts isn’t just a mere convenience, it has a more direct impact on how far into them you can traverse in any certain amount of time. In a practical sense, this means later in the game, it is easier to make your way to the rear portions of the labyrinths to find stronger oni and more equipment and EXP.
The game does not give you a map either. You have to keep things straight in your head, or do as I did, draw your own maps (as in, literally draw them with pen and paper).
No seriously I drew miy own maps
Right from the get-go Oreshika dumps a bunch of information at the player detailing the many elements found in the game. Everything is divided into months, and each month you can only perform certain actions that pass time into the next month, and age your party characters ever so closer to death. There are decisions to be made how the player spends each month and how they want to step closer to the ultimate goal. As you might expect, this is a little frustrating – at first anyway. Luckily you get some help in the form of a weasel-girl, Kochin. She's pretty helpful, and literally can make decisions for you if you have choice-paralysis.
Well, there are a few storyline bosses you have to defeat in sequence in order to unlock more dungeons and ultimately progress to the game’s finale. However, any individual character can only power up so much before they reach ‘old age’ and loss of life. This is where Unions come into play, and those characters can pass on their traits to the next generation. Additionally, as the player progresses, they are given access to stronger gods, which in turns results in stronger clan members. This trait passage system does result in a gameplay loop that is a little repetitive. You have to continually make sure your characters are up to snuff and that you have enough Devotion to mate them with the Gods before they perish, and then do that for each generation of your party.
There are many subsystems in place, and keeping track of all the possible things you can do is admittedly a little overwhelming. You can travel into dungeons to fight oni and onigami to strengthen your characters or to find new skills and equipment. You can invest in your town to improve its shops and shrines. You can take part in festivals and you can travel to other lands to challenge other clans. You can have your older clan members train the younger ones, and of course you can perform the Rite of Union to give birth to more clan members. Oreshika is a multifaceted, dense game and it’s not one to ease into. There are a couple of annoyances that arise from the time passing systems but I ended up really liking it - largely because of how fresh it felt.
Oh, the direct story isn't very good though, but the bigger picture narrative (a clan trying to restore their honor) permeates the tone throughout the game.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Sedas breakdown is pretty spot on. So that should be a good example for you with the 2 different games.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Are you stuck on a quest or something? That starting dungeon is "interesting" due to all the ups and downs with the holes in the floor
Spolier: That one started coming together for me when I realised
that some staircases were hidden in the map squares that don't get marked when you walk on thrm, or 'hide codes'
Could someone explain a few bits for me?
A) it is possible to change your blood code later on?
B) what are the long bar of icons at the top of the screen when exploring?
C) the 'option' items, friend task and love task, give U-boost and U-lock respectively. Presumably U-boost is Unite-boost, but what is the other?
D) where a piece of equipment says element affix/variant affix/status affix, does that mean 'effect'? As in, they do increased element damage, increased damage vs enemy type, and inflict status effect accordingly?
Is there an in-game guide that explains all these shortened terms? I mean, I've slogged through Elminage and Etrian Odyssey, but a lot of this has me slightly mystified!
Really enjoying it though.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Spolier: That one started coming together for me when I realised. Start searching there if you get stuckthat some staircases were hidden in the map squares that don't get marked when you walk on thrm, or 'hide codes'
Could someone explain a few bits for me?
A) it is possible to change your blood code later on?
B) what are the long bar of icons at the top of the screen when exploring?
C) the 'option' items, friend task and love task, give U-boost and U-lock respectively. Presumably U-boost is Unite-boost, but what is the other?
D) where a piece of equipment says element affix/variant affix/status affix, does that mean 'effect'? As in, they do increased element damage, increased damage vs enemy type, and inflict status effect accordingly?
Is there an in-game guide that explains all these shortened terms? I mean, I've slogged through Elminage and Etrian Odyssey, but a lot of this has me slightly mystified!
Really enjoying it though.
A: Yes you can change your characters blood codes if you want.
B: Those are the various buffs you can put on yourself which last till you leave the dungeon. If its lit up means you have said buff cast. (this should be explained in the digital manual)
C: Am not too sure what U Lock is. Dont think Ive used that one myself will have to look it up.
D: Try to give a piece of equipment as an example. Though am pretty sure what you are explaining is when an item has actual special properties to it. For example weak / strong against a certain monster type. (this also should be explained in the digital manual?)
For your last question check the digital manual. Since if its the same as the JP ver digital manual it should have an explanation of those abbreviations you wanted to know about.
Ah, that makes sense on the last one. I was talking about the battle dagger where it has 'par' in red, presumably that means it's weak vs paranormal enemies or something. Cheers man!
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
No problem and hope that helps out!
Yeah in the occasion when an item is not effective against a particular type, paranormal especially you most def want to stick a plug in to remedy that. For example like the Samurai's Katanas that you will find will be ineffective against paranormal, so you most def want to get the plugins installed with that. Since they are fairly cheap or you should have some in your inventory gathered from fights its pretty easy to fix that weakness with the weapon.
Although that only works on common items. Rare items are unable to be modified by the player with plugins.
Ok that U-Lock = Keeps that %age rating locked at 100%.
U-Boost = Allows for a bonus to your equipment from your alignment rating %age? Or something odd like that. So if you have a decent %age rating its beneficial to your character to use the item? Still trying to figure this out from a JP post. Not sure if its in the digital manual would have to look.