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|OT| French Presidential election - 2012 edition

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It's looking bleak for Sarkozy:

Une quarantaine d'élus MoDem se prononcent pour Hollande

Le 23 avril 2012 à 17h49, mis à jour le 23 avril 2012 à 17h50
Une quarantaine d'élus MoDem, dont beaucoup participent à des exécutifs locaux au côté du PS, ont annoncé lundi leur intention de voter François Hollande au second tour en invoquant "un devoir de clarté et d'alternance" "C'est pour nous un devoir de clarté et d'alternance. Nous ne souhaitons pas tergiverser", a expliqué lors d'un point de presse Oliver Henno, membre de l'exécutif du MoDem et premier président de la communauté urbaine de Lille Métropole au côté de Martine Aubry. "Notre volonté est de participer, d'être acteur du changement qu'il revient désormais à François Hollande d'incarner dans une majorité nouvelle", a-t-il ajouté. A ses côtés, figuraient une dizaine d'élus locaux MoDem dont Marc Dufour, maire-adjoint de Montpellier, au côté d'Hélène Mandroux (PS), Morad Bacher-Cherif, vice-président de l'agglomération de Grenoble, ville dirigée par Michel Destot (PS), Thomas Rudiguoz, conseiller municipal de Lyon au côté de Gérard Collomb (PS).
http://lci.tf1.fr/filnews/politique...odem-se-prononcent-pour-hollande-7187104.html
 

Bento

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Really? Sarkozy loves talking about immigration but that doesn't mean he has the best ideas/that people think he has the best ideas.
It's just that he would get the optimal framing for an immigration debate if paired with security as it would play perfectly to his rhetoric on the subject.

Should probably add that I'm not saying that he is right or wrong just that I think he would gain an upper hand in that kind of setting.
 
It's in Hollande's interest to prove Sarkozy's side that he isn't afraid of talking about immigration and it isn't the right wing's exclusive playfield.
 

G.O.O.

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Bad idea. People don't want more immigration. Even if Hollande proves Sarkozy wrong, it just won't work.

That sucks, I know...
 
France 2012 elections: Is French left sure to secure first win since 1988?


The pollsters did not see it coming. So how will the far-right’s strong show in the first round of the French presidential election weigh on the final outcome? François Picard’s panel argues over Nicolas Sarkozy’s ability to drain enough of the votes to rally and win.

Jamey Keaten, Paris Correspondent, Associated Press
Anne-Elisabeth Moutet, Columnist, Sunday Telegraph
Julia Cagé, Economist, Paris School of Economics - Terra Nova
Jim Shields, Political scientist and Author of 'The Extreme Right in France From Pétain to Le Pen'
Length: 18 minutes

http://www.france24.com/en/20120423...ght-extremist-financial-crisis-national-front
 

G.O.O.

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Sotha Sil

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Went to see Sarkozy yesterday with my gf, and it was quite an experience, indeed.

First, and I kind of expected it, the UMP war machine trumps the PS and the Modem's combined. I went to see Hollande and Bayrou too, and it was nothing like it. French flags on every seat, tons of propaganda tracts handed by happy-to-oblige Jeunes Pops. It's the middle of the afternoon, we're in a remote, smallish indoor stadium north of Tours. And there's thousands of people. Sixty year olds and up, for the most part. The security is pretty strict, for obvious reason, and it takes ages to get into the place. We finally get to sit down. The long wait begins; for two hours straight, people keep flowing into the place. The Jeunes Pops hand out corny signs ("Si vous votez Hollande, vous aurez la Grèce"), and ask people to brandish them proudly; ten minutes later, they come back, asking the sign holders not to hold them during the meeting. When the bombastic music starts playing, no empty space remains. The crowd is cheering, chanting off-beat Marseillaises and waving dozens of flags.

Guillaume Peltier opens the show, brimming with confidence and enthusiasm, in a speech I could not qualify without proving Godwin's law right. The local mayor, Briant, ends the row; his piece would make Jean-Marie Bigard proud. Vulgarity abounds. He even mocks Eva Joly's injury: "Je me suis dit, en la choisissant, les Verts sont tombés sur la tête. En fait, c'est elle qui est tombée sur la tête! Mais tomber de 2%, ce n'est pas tomber de haut!". The crowd loves it. Around us, people are in stitches.

Here comes Sarkozy, and the crowd goes crazy. His speech is nothing to write home about: he's pandering to the FN voters, much like he did in 2007. He still follows Buisson's strategy, and it shows. Standard Sarkozy fare.

In the end, what really shocked us - which may show our naïveté - is the astounding xenophobia of the UMP crowd. We could not believe our ears. On the bus, waiting at the gates, in the stadium itself, it never failed. As soon as middle-aged or elderly white people started talking (whether they knew each other or not), it always was about the job-stealing, system-abusing Muslims converting our children to Islam.

"My neighbors are foreigners; the wife's Albanians, the husband's Lebanese. They own a low-rent apartment, and they're unemployed. Well you won't believe it, but they're building a spa!"

"You heard about those Muslims handing out Korans in the street? I'm telling you, in ten years, they'll be in charge..."

"That Eva Joly, she's not from here, isn't she? Well why doesn't she go home?"

"I'm not racist, but..."

Hilarious and frightening. Well, all in all, it was quite the depressing experience. Figured I could share the pain on Gaf. Two more weeks!
 

Alx

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"That Eva Joly, she's not from here, isn't she? Well why doesn't she go home?"

To be fair, I don't think it was a great idea to choose someone with such a thick foreign accent as a candidate to be the representative of the whole country.
I won't mind her staying in France, though. ;)
 

Alx

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Napoleon lived in a time where 99% of the population didn't know the sound of the voice of their leader. And they didn't have to vote for him anyway... :p
 
To be fair, I don't think it was a great idea to choose someone with such a thick foreign accent as a candidate to be the representative of the whole country.
I won't mind her staying in France, though. ;)

That is pretty racist, not your post but a country in which it matters so much what accent a candidate has. Also:

Sarkozy is the son of Pál István Ernő Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa, a Hungarian aristocrat, and Andrée Jeanne "Dadu" Mallah, who is of half Greek Jewish and half French Catholic origin.

The fact that Sarkozy grew up to be exactly the same French xenophobe is disgusting. He should know better than to preach crap about "French way of life".
 

Alx

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That is pretty racist, not your post but a country in which it matters so much what accent a candidate has.

That would be more xenophobic than racist, it's not really a matter of race, but of identification. It's not a strict rule either, but rather bad politics to want to represent a country when you sound like a stranger.
As a matter of fact, in many countries someone like Joly wouldn't even have her candidacy validated, since she was born and raised in Norway, and got French citizenship later.
 
EU goverments are dropping like flies. Sarkozy won't be any different. EU is going through a really tough period and Europe-wide election results are clearly showing that.
 

Mistouze

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If you vote Hollande, fire and brimstone weather for five years! Which would be fine by me with the shitty april we're getting >_>

Also, could we take just a moment to talk about how hot Najat Vallaud-Belkacem is?
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Fabrik

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If you vote Hollande, fire and brimstone weather for five years! Which would be fine by me with the shitty april we're getting >_>

Also, could we take just a moment to talk about how hot Najat Vallaud-Belkacem is?
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Ok that's it I'm voting Hollande.
 

Pacbois

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Saw a bit of Fillion at the Grand Journal tonight. I'm far for being a UMP fan, but I still got a lot of sympathy for this guy. I don't really know why, he seems more reasonnable and human than Sarko. It's really sad that he wasn't really able to do a lot with SuperPresident in charge... If he leads the UMP with a more "social" program, I might vote for him in 2017. But sadly, it's going to be Copé. (Asshole)
 

Mistouze

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Yes, my friend. Yes.

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Indeed. She's like a gift send by the gods of politics to the PS. She's a young new face with north african origins, smart, witty and good at debating as far as I've seen.
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Aaaaaand she's so flippin' hot she's making me sexist.

She had me in stitches this evening in the Grand Journal :

-What would you do if you were in Nadine Morano's shoes for 24 hours?
-I'd shut up.
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Saw a bit of Fillion at the Grand Journal tonight. I'm far for being a UMP fan, but I still got a lot of sympathy for this guy. I don't really know why, he seems more reasonnable and human than Sarko. It's really sad that he wasn't really able to do a lot with SuperPresident in charge... If he leads the UMP with a more "social" program, I might vote for him in 2017. But sadly, it's going to be Copé. (Asshole)
I totally feel you on this. 5 years at being a prime minister is pretty boss and even more if you think he campaigned in 2010 to keep his place when Borloo was considered for prime minster by Sarkozy. And he must have ate so much shit during those 5 years I can only feel sympathy for the dude, way more decent than most of the front men of the UMP. I'm generally more of a center leftist but I do hope Jupé and Fillon gang up on Copé, break his fucking legs and take the reins of the UMP after the election is over.
 

Pacbois

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Haha, yeah she's kinda really hot :D

Also, I'm found of most of Itélé journalists like Léa Salamé or Maya Lauqué, they're really making the news a bit more sexy :D
 

G.O.O.

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If you vote Sarko, this is what you'll get

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[QUOTE]Ne croyez pas que je prends plaisir à vous énerver twittos de gauche, mon devoir c'est d'éclairer et tant pis si ça vous fait mal aux yeux[/QUOTE]
Oh, Nadine. <3

[quote="Mistouze, post: 37251781"]-What would you do if you were in Nadine Morano's shoes for 24 hours?
-I'd shut up.
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Heh, she's more subtle than Dupont-Aignan, who said he'd kill himself.

... hell, just one last

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Magni

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She had me in stitches this evening in the Grand Journal :

-What would you do if you were in Nadine Morano's shoes for 24 hours?
-I'd shut up.
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That's hilarious hahaha. Does anyone even like Morano? I'm wondering how she even got so far, she just comes off as the most unlikable of the bunch, all parties considered. Yes, even more than Sarkozy.
 

G.O.O.

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She's "from the people". Which is generally her argument against those assholes elitists.

As for myself, I also have a soft spot for Frédéric Lefebvre, even though he's been quiet lately.
 
She's "from the people". Which is generally her argument against those assholes elitists.

You mean Najat? Let's see where she studied...

Wikipedia.org said:
She graduated from the Institut d'études politiques de Paris ("Paris Institute of Political Studies") in 2002.

She being "from the people" is the same as saying Obama is a representative of African-Americans in the US.
 
Is Libération still pretending they're anything but the official press office from the Socialist Party?

Edit : if we're posting shitty front pages, might as well go full retard:

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Mistouze

user-friendly man-cashews
Is Libération still pretending they're anything but the official press office from the Socialist Party?
They're quite a bit on the left of the PS though. They are more inbetween the PS and the Front de Gauche I think.

And Le Pen isn't compatible with the republic, sorry.

EDIT : And I'm sorry again but that "real work" thing is silly and calls back to the vilest populism.
 

sflufan

Banned
Oooohhhh, a comparison to Petain (I assume as I cannot read French). Is that like calling Obama a socialist in the US or some other such nonsense?
 
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What's wrong with this picture?


Oooohhhh, a comparison to Petain (I assume as I cannot read French). Is that like calling Obama a socialist in the US or some other such nonsense?
(edited) I suppose, but I've rarely seen Sarkozy been compared to Pétain (he's been much more often compared to the Le Pens)
 

sflufan

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(edited) I suppose, but I've rarely seen Sarkozy been compared to Pétain (he's been much more often compared to the Le Pens)

I presume that any such comparisons to Petain would be an extrapolation of his willingness to work so closely with the lady in your avatar.
 
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What's wrong with this picture?



(edited) I suppose, but I've rarely seen Sarkozy been compared to Pétain (he's been much more often compared to the Le Pens)
Is that supposed to be modeled after napoleon with the hand in the coat?

Speaking of that is napoleon view positively as a hero in France or as an embarrassing episode?
 
Hollande doesn't have to appeal to the FN's voters (not that he could do any better than Sarkozy).

The only FN voters who might vote for Hollande (the ones who hate Sarkozy's guts) will, and the undecided ones will vote for Sarkozy because they will believe his lies just like in 2007. The rest won't vote at all.

Hollande, if anything, should focus his efforts on the centrists. 90% of Mélenchon's voters will vote for Hollande because Mélenchon still belongs in the Socialist Party (despite pretending otherwise), but the safest bet for him might be not to do anything - an easy and natural thing for him to do.


Good job at avoiding my pokes Computer.
...wait, what? This thread is going too fast.
 

G.O.O.

Member
Is Libération still pretending they're anything but the official press office from the Socialist Party?
It's too dramatic and the point they're trying to make is debatable, but Sarkozy saying this now (and after fucking Guéant said pretty much the opposite) shows how low he's ready to go to get votes.

Because it's more important to get the FN's 18% than the left & center's 50%, you know...

No comment about l'huma.

Speaking of that is napoleon view positively as a hero in France or as an embarrassing episode?
It's neutral overall, but I'm pretty sure the conservative right views him positively. The left compared Sarkozy to him, so I guess it's not as positive.
 
What bugs me about Libération's front pages is the double standard.

Hollande wants to appeal to Le Pen's voters = American shot with warm colors, quotation that makes him look like he's about to embark on a heroic mission

Sarkozy wants to appeal to Le Pen's voters = closeup, black-and-white shot like he's a criminal, quotation taken out of context with the date on the bottom. They never mention dates unless it's really dramatic:

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Edit: and it's not even original, see the last pic.

It's too dramatic and the point they're trying to make is debatable, but Sarkozy saying this now (and after fucking Guéant said pretty much the opposite) shows how low he's ready to go to get votes.
Is it that much different from his 2007 campaign?
 

G.O.O.

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Libé is left, Figaro is right, I guess.

But from my subjective point of view, Hollande tries to use economic arguments, not blindly pointing at immigrants. Which makes sense, since a lot of recent (not the historical core) Le Pen voters are concerned about their situation more than about whose fault it is.

Now, could it work...

Is it that much different from his 2007 campaign?
2007 was more subtle. He was less desperate. But it was already ugly enough imo.
 
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