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[gofreak]

I think this depend on the online ability of the system since it already have duel analogs , if PSP2 can give people solid online with console-like features (chat , invites , trophies..ect) then Sony might have their Call of Duty portable/on the go machine (like Monster Hunter in Japan).

I would expect PSN on PSP2 to have everything the PS3 has. It may help attract PS3 owners - having a persistent identity that they can develop across both systems in terms of trophies etc.

In fact, PSN on PSP2 may be more fully featured, if SCEJ allows SCEE/SCEA to have a bigger say. All the things they couldn't do as standard on PS3 due to memory other limitations might be doable if considered from the start on PSP2. I would like to think PSP2 could represent a progression from PS3 here, and a signal of the way forward for PSN on other future platforms, but I guess it's up to SCEJ.

Ultimately I think Sony's gamble will probably be to build a better a next-gen PSP than Nintendo can...simple as that really. This approach may not appeal to a huge market, as big a market as DS did or smartphones will, but it could even with a relatively small base be quite lucrative if they can encourage a good level of per-user activity on the platform.

 

[szaromir]

Well, it won't be difficult at all since Nintendo can't build a next-gen PSP.

 

[TTP]

I would expect PSN on PSP2 to have everything the PS3 has. It may help attract PS3 owners - having a persistent identity that they can develop across both systems in terms of trophies etc.

In fact, PSN on PSP2 may be more fully featured, if SCEJ allows SCEE/SCEA to have a bigger say. All the things they couldn't do as standard on PS3 due to memory other limitations might be doable if considered from the start on PSP2. I would like to think PSP2 could represent a progression from PS3 here, and a signal of the way forward for PSN on other future platforms, but I guess it's up to SCEJ.

Ultimately I think Sony's gamble will probably be to build a better a next-gen PSP than Nintendo can...simple as that really. This approach may not appeal to a huge market, as big a market as DS did or smartphones will, but it could even with a relatively small base be quite lucrative if they can encourage a good level of per-user activity on the platform.

Trophies is all that matters. If they put those in there, it will succeed

 

[gofreak]

Well, it won't be difficult at all since Nintendo can't build a next-gen PSP.

That's what they're trying to do though. One of their big stated intentions with 3DS, what's new about the 3DS strategy, is their attempt to attract the PSP market. And Sony should take that seriously if they want to defend that market, as I think they do.

 

[Mrbob]

There is one huge failure to the Ipod Touch market. You can get some fantastic deals (I bought Lego Harry Potter for $4.99 and it is the full DS/PSP game) but the issue is it is tough to sell a game above 5 dollars. If you look at the top 200 sales, most games are 99 cents. So the failure of the itouch market is that you can't really price a game above a couple bucks and have it sell well consistently.

I really think the PSP2 needs to hit this 99 cent market hard. However, if the platform has the ability to also sell a decent quanitity of games at 15 to 20 dollars (even 30) then this is a huge increase over what Apple has allowed the itouch market to become. Which is crash down to 99 cents as fast as you can to make some money. I just don't know if the PSP2 can be this device.

Sony also needs to hit the social aspects with the PSP2 right away. No patching in functionality later, get it ready on day one.

 

[Manmademan]

Convergence is the way forward. My iPhone 4's camera may not be as good as standalone cameras, but its still good enough, and I doubt you can use a standalone camera to edit the picture you just took in image editing software then email/upload it to Facebook.

For gaming the iPhone/iPod is more convenient than a normal handheld not just because you always have it with you, but you always have all your games with you as well. It just does what a handheld should do, be there when you're out and about and want to play a game.

PSN renders this argument almost entirely irrelevant. Games are able to be downloaded and stored locally exactly as in an i-device, removable storage (as in a memory stick) means capacity is potentially greater, and games can be redownloaded any time with no penalty. Granted, there are games (kingdom hearts comes to mind) that aren't available on PSN and are physical media only, but these games don't have a prayer of coming to an idevice anyway.

 

[FoneBone]

And Sony should take that seriously if they want to defend that market, as I think they do.

I don't really think Nintendo is giving them much of a choice there.

 

[gofreak]

PSN renders this argument almost entirely irrelevant. Games are able to be downloaded and stored locally exactly as in an i-device, removable storage (as in a memory stick) means capacity is potentially greater, and games can be redownloaded any time with no penalty. Granted, there are games (kingdom hearts comes to mind) that aren't available on PSN and are physical media only, but these games don't have a prayer of coming to an idevice anyway.

The issue of a PS device being in your pocket by default is still there.

For a lot of people, anything outside of their single, all-in-one go-to device (i.e. their iphone or android) is going to have to really earn a regular place in their pocket.

I don't really think Nintendo is giving them much of a choice there.

Of course, when I say 'should' take it seriously I do mean they have to take it seriously.

 

[marc^o^]

Do you expect PSP2 to have a 3D screen?

 

[szaromir]

That's what they're trying to do though. One of their big stated intentions with 3DS, what's new about the 3DS strategy, is their attempt to attract the PSP market. And Sony should take that seriously if they want to defend that market, as I think they do.

I don't thik 3DS targets PSP demographic in particular. To me it seems more like an update to DSi, like SNES was to NES or whatever.

 

[Manmademan]

The issue of a PS device being in your pocket by default is still there.

For a lot of people, anything outside of their single, all-in-one go-to device (i.e. their iphone or android) is going to have to really earn a regular place in their pocket.



Of course, when I say 'should' take it seriously I do mean they have to take it seriously.

the bolded part I was referring to was not the "always with you" portion, but the "games are with you" portion.

whether or not one is more likely to game on an idevice or android phone is debatable though, since if you use a phone for anything important (emails, phonecalls, texts, etc) one is likely to be loath to use it for anything processor intensive that might kill the battery.

I use my smartphone for all kinds of things, but gaming is never, ever one of them.

 

[Lard]

Convergence is the way forward. My iPhone 4's camera may not be as good as standalone cameras, but its still good enough, and I doubt you can use a standalone camera to edit the picture you just took in image editing software then email/upload it to Facebook.

For gaming the iPhone/iPod is more convenient than a normal handheld not just because you always have it with you, but you always have all your games with you as well. It just does what a handheld should do, be there when you're out and about and want to play a game.

Ugh. It's opinions like these that make me weep for humanity.

I don't want a goddamn phone that plays games. I don't want a game machine that uploads shit to Facebook. I don't want a game machine that has image editing software. I don't want a game that can be interrupted by someone calling me.

It is idiotic to want that.

Give me a game machine that plays games, and a phone for phone calls. Smart people want these.

 

[commish]

I don't thik 3DS targets PSP demographic in particular. To me it seems more like an update to DSi, like SNES was to NES or whatever.

SNES was a replacement for the NES. I don't think the 3DS is replacing the DS...

 

[FoneBone]

I don't thik 3DS targets PSP demographic in particular.

Reggie has specifically said that they're targeting the PSP demo (in addition to the existing DS audience, of course) and both the hardware and the announced software reflect an approach far more core-oriented than the original DS.

 

[H_Prestige]

Do you expect PSP2 to have a 3D screen?

No. It would be a horrible use of their budget.

 

[Degen]

Do you expect PSP2 to have a 3D screen?

Hell no. I do expect better graphics than the 3DS, though.

 

[commish]

Ugh. It's opinions like these that make me weep for humanity.

I don't want a goddamn phone that plays games. I don't want a game machine that uploads shit to Facebook. I don't want a game machine that has image editing software. I don't want a game that can be interrupted by someone calling me.

It is idiotic to want that.

Give me a game machine that plays games, and a phone for phone calls. Smart people want these.

Translation: "I refuse to acknowledge that other people might want something that I, personally, do not want." What is your reason for wanting separate machines for everything? Do you want a separate machine for texting? For internet? For phone calls? Heaven forbid someone calls you and interupts your texting! You should probably be carrying around at least 8 devices.

 

[SmokyDave]

Ugh. It's opinions like these that make me weep for humanity.

I don't want a goddamn phone that plays games. I don't want a game machine that uploads shit to Facebook. I don't want a game machine that has image editing software. I don't want a game that can be interrupted by someone calling me.

It is idiotic to want that.

Give me a game machine that plays games, and a phone for phone calls. Smart people want these.

You've never considered how much of an inconvenience some people would consider that?

I don't know who your tailor is but you must have some bigass pockets. For some of us, Wallet, Keys, Cigarettes & iPhone is all we comfortably have room for. Hell, even my PSP Go is inconvenient to carry around unless I'm wearing combats or a coat with many pockets.

There comes a point when convenience eclipses the need to play a 'console style' game on the go. Just as you value specialisation, I value being able to play good games, as well as the rest (web browsing, Facebook, image editing, music, videos, books, magazines etc. etc.) without carrying any additional hardware.

 

[gofreak]

I don't thik 3DS targets PSP demographic in particular. To me it seems more like an update to DSi, like SNES was to NES or whatever.

It is a specified target of theirs, I remember after E3, an interview with Reggie where he articulated it as such, as wanting the DS market plus the PSP market. I think some of the hardware choices were obviously made with a deliberate eye on accommodating what Nintendo might expect from a next-gen of PSP-style game. I think Nintendo knows that many PSP owners also probably own a DS, and they want their machine to be the one place those people play all their games.

Do you expect PSP2 to have a 3D screen?

No, not starting out at least. I'm sure we'd have heard about it by now if it did.

 

[marc^o^]

Hell no. I do expect better graphics than the 3DS, though.

I'm pretty sure 3D will prove to be immensely popular. After 3DS people will ask for it. And beyond the visual factor, 3D has some serious potential to enhance gameplay in lots of genres.

No, not starting out at least. I'm sure we'd have heard about it by now if it did.

Do we know anything tangible about PSP2?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I don't thik 3DS targets PSP demographic in particular. To me it seems more like an update to DSi, like SNES was to NES or whatever.

It's got a remake of the predecessor to PSP's MGS Portable Ops and what is most likely the exact same Resident Evil project Capcom originally announced for PSP years back...I think it's pretty certain Nintendo's looking to crush PSP's market on those kind of games. I have no doubt they're courting Capcom to get Monster Hunter Portable 4 or something on there.

 

[Baki]

What would make or break the PSP2 is the duel analogs.

If they can get a Call of Duty portable on this I think they would have a great chance to get off to a good start.

This is something that I can considered. COD on the PSP 2 could potentially push the platform into the mainstream in the west much like MH did for the PSP in Japan. However it should also be noted that it does not necessarily have to be a COD game that propels the PSP 2 into mainstream success. With a new platform (and obviously fully fleshed portable PSN) a new brand could potentially establish itself on the PSP2 while using the mainstream success of COD4: Modern Warfare as a reference point. However since the COD brand is already established and wildly successful, it may be preferable for the COD brand to be the game that pushes purchase and online activity of the PSP2. Whatever the case, the consumers will decide with their dollars.

 

[gofreak]

Do we know anything tangible about PSP2?

We have photos we can derive some things from. Everything else is rumours, and even the photos represent a work in progress, and thus any detail derived from it is arguably subject to change. A lot of the pertinent details (dual analog, rear trackpad) are probably settled though.

 

[Father_Brain]

what is most likely the exact same Resident Evil project Capcom originally announced for PSP years back

This speculation made sense at first, but there was at least one interview where one of the game's lead staff said that it began as a 3DS title and wasn't moved from any other platform.

 

[Kafel]

 

[FoneBone]

This is something that I can considered. COD on the PSP 2 could potentially push the platform into the mainstream in the west much like MH did for the PSP in Japan. However it should also be noted that it does not necessarily have to be a COD game that propels the PSP 2 into mainstream success. With a new platform (and obviously fully fleshed portable PSN) a new brand could potentially establish itself on the PSP2 while using the mainstream success of COD4: Modern Warfare as a reference point. However since the COD brand is already established and wildly successful, it may be preferable for the COD brand to be the game that pushes purchase and online activity of the PSP2. Whatever the case, the consumers will decide with their dollars.

This assumes that a major western publisher will actually take portable gaming seriously. That's not going to happen without Sony making a major push for it (which may well happen, mind you...)

 

[rainking187]

I don't know who your tailor is but you must have some bigass pockets. For some of us, Wallet, Keys, Cigarettes & iPhone is all we comfortably have room for. Hell, even my PSP Go is inconvenient to carry around unless I'm wearing combats or a coat with many pockets.

It depends what you carry around. I can fit a phone, wallet and keys very comfortably in one pocket. Then I've got another pocket I can put whatever I want in. I never actually carry a phone though so replace phone with iPod. Plenty of room for a game system.

 

[djtiesto]

Why by $30 games at the store when you can download $0.99 games?

Because there's a major difference in terms of content between games like DQ9/Ys 7/Infinite Space/Peace Walker/etc, and your average shitty phone game? Do people not get this?

Handhelds are one of the last bastions of solid, quality gaming. Games that are reasonably pick-up-and-play but extremely content-heavy.

 

[Lard]

You've never considered how much of an inconvenience some people would consider that?

I don't know who your tailor is but you must have some bigass pockets. For some of us, Wallet, Keys, Cigarettes & iPhone is all we comfortably have room for. Hell, even my PSP Go is inconvenient to carry around unless I'm wearing combats or a coat with many pockets.

There comes a point when convenience eclipses the need to play a 'console style' game on the go. Just as you value specialisation, I value being able to play good games, as well as the rest (web browsing, Facebook, image editing, music, videos, books, magazines etc. etc.) without carrying any additional hardware.

Get a backpack.

I value being able to play a good game without all that superfluous crap getting in the way.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

This speculation made sense at first, but there was at least one interview where one of the game's lead staff said that it began as a 3DS title and wasn't moved from any other platform.

Interesting. And yeah it is complete speculation on my part...but I wouldn't be shocked if the reason we never saw that project manifest is because attention was diverted to a 3DS project.

Or who knows, maybe the PSP project was originallly Slant Six's version of Outbreak and that ended up moving to PS3. That seems more likely as they were working on PSP titles at the time.

 

[commish]

Because there's a major difference in terms of content between games like DQ9/Ys 7/Infinite Space/Peace Walker/etc, and your average shitty phone game? Do people not get this?

Handhelds are one of the last bastions of solid, quality gaming. Games that are reasonably pick-up-and-play but extremely content-heavy.

Up to a certain point, I agree with you. I am knee-deep in Etrian Odyssey 3 right now and loving it. There's nothing on my ios that is remotely close. However, ios games like Chaos Rings leads me to think that it's only a matter of time before more substantial games hit the ios marketplace.

 

[Baki]

This assumes that a major western publisher will actually take portable gaming seriously. That's not going to happen without Sony making a major push for it (which may well happen, mind you...)

This is a fair point. However this is literally one of the few reasons I can see that justifies the high-tech spec of the PSP2. This is the only way for them to move forward if they want to carve out a substantial market for themselves. As much as Nintendo is touting a greater focus on connectivity for the 3DS, it is very unlikely that they will be able to deliver a competent online platform for games like COD on the go. So if SCE wants a USP, this is it. This is their opportunity to firmly establish themselves in the market. Much like the online revolution on consoles this generation, I feel that the opportunity for an online revolution of portables is also imminent.

 

[M3d10n]

It kinda fells that some console-only gamers are actually rooting for smartphones to send those wretched dedicated gaming handhelds (that they were never really interested in) into oblivion.

Keep doing that, you'll the next in line someday.

 

[FoneBone]

As much as Nintendo is touting a greater focus on connectivity for the 3DS, it is very unlikely that they will be able to deliver a competent online platform for games like COD on the go. So if SCE wants a USP, this is it. This is their opportunity to firmly establish themselves in the market. Much like the online revolution on consoles this generation, I feel that the opportunity for an online revolution of portables is also imminent.

I do agree with this - Sony badly needs to differentiate the PSP2 from the 3DS in order for it to be successful (more horsepower isn't going to cut it in itself), and an online focus is their best shot at that.

 

[Minsc]

I value being able to play a good game without all that superfluous crap getting in the way.

So do I, nor has my iPhone let me down in that regard (playing good, fun games without crap getting in the way). Guess some people just are better at managing a multi-purpose device than others. Though I am finally purchasing a PSP to catch up on a bunch of sRPGs thanks to Tactics Ogre being remade. I loved FF:T, and can't wait to see what it got its inspiration from.

 

[LCfiner]

Get a backpack.

I value being able to play a good game without all that superfluous crap getting in the way.

that might be fine for you, but you do realize that this cannot be Sony’s response to SmokyDave’s concern… right?

 

[Dabanton]

You've never considered how much of an inconvenience some people would consider that?

I don't know who your tailor is but you must have some bigass pockets. For some of us, Wallet, Keys, Cigarettes & iPhone is all we comfortably have room for. Hell, even my PSP Go is inconvenient to carry around unless I'm wearing combats or a coat with many pockets.

There comes a point when convenience eclipses the need to play a 'console style' game on the go. Just as you value specialisation, I value being able to play good games, as well as the rest (web browsing, Facebook, image editing, music, videos, books, magazines etc. etc.) without carrying any additional hardware.

Agree. I carry around my iPod Touch and my phone in my pockets along with my wallet. In my bag i have my laptop and that's all i wish to carry around. for gaming on the go my iPod Touch is perfect. My PSP sits at home i very rarely take it out with me anywhere, as it's cumbersome and unpractical. My touch is more than good enough for games that i can play out and about.

From the pictures of the PSP2 no way would i want to carry that thing about.

 

[Lard]

So do I, nor has my iPhone has not let me down in that matter (playing good, fun games without crap getting in the way). Guess some people just are better at managing a multi-purpose device better than others.

Meaning?

If I don't buy something I don't want, that doesn't mean I "can't manage it". It means I prefer something that's actually useful.

 

[FoneBone]

Guess some people just are better at managing a multi-purpose device than others.

There are no differences in gaming and game content between dedicated handhelds and smartphones -- it's just that you're too dumb to use a smartphone! :lol

that might be fine for you, but you do realize that this cannot be Sony’s response to SmokyDave’s concern… right?

It can and it is, judging by Tretton's recent comments.

 

[Dabanton]

It kinda fells that some console-only gamers are actually rooting for smartphones to send those wretched dedicated gaming handhelds (that they were never really interested in) into oblivion.

Keep doing that, you'll the next in line someday.

If you believe that sort of nonsense then i don't know what to say to you. Fact is smartphones/iPod touches etc are now offering gaming that is now graphically good, interesting and cheap. Most people do not want to carry around multiple devices.

 

[Mrbob]

So is there a chance the PSP2 might have a multi touch display beyond the rear track pad?

 

[SmokyDave]

Get a backpack.

I value being able to play a good game without all that superfluous crap getting in the way.

Mate, I'm 30 years of age, devilishly attractive & painfully stylish.

That just ain't gonna happen.


Edit: Added more self-praise.

 

[commish]

Meaning?

If I don't buy something I don't want, that doesn't mean I "can't manage it". It means I prefer something that's actually useful.

Why isn't having one device for games, phone and internet useful? That seems extremely useful to me. You still haven't explained WHY you find it so useless, other than you just want it all separate.

 

[Baki]

So is there a chance the PSP2 might have a multi touch display beyond the rear track pad?

I hope so. If not, it really might be DOA. :lol :lol

 

[Minsc]

Meaning?

If I don't buy something I don't want, that doesn't mean I "can't manage it". It means I prefer something that's actually useful.

iOS devices are good for gaming (unless you have a narrow focus of what gaming is). They can be even better than consoles in some aspects, for example Carcassonne is way better on the iOS devices than the 360 from what I read, and I imagine that would hold true for handhelds if it existed as well.

There's like 2x as many games on the iOS devices than every console and handheld made added together some chart I saw said, and while 99% may be crap, the remaining 1% or so still adds up to a few thousand+ games that are quite enjoyable, and at least a dozen of those offer more traditional console/handheld 10+ hour gaming experiences, which as a whole I believe gaming is moving away from anyway.

 

[Lard]

Why isn't having one device for games, phone and internet useful? That seems extremely useful to me. You still haven't explained WHY you find it so useless, other than you just want it all separate.

I didn't say useless, I said I prefer dedicated gaming machines for games and phones for phones. Dedicated devices for each work better for one. Is an Iphone going to play something like Persona 2 Innocent Sin or Tactics Ogre or Dragon Quest IX?

Nope.

I'm not interested in the bite size games that are on the Iphone.

 

[Mrbob]

I hope so. If not, it really might be DOA. :lol :lol

Agreed. I'm hoping it does because it really needs it. If you think about it, if the PSP2 has a front multi touch panel it probably becomes the most versatile portable gaming device. Front multi touch panel, rear track pad, two analog nubs, and full assortment of traditional controls with four face and two shoulder buttons. What couldn't you do with the device? 3D but it is debatable if it is worth giving up a front multi touch display for 3D. It would be the next evolution of what people are asking Apple to do with the itouch and more. Of course since this is Sony everything will probably be convoluted and not easy to use. :lol :/

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Why isn't having one device for games, phone and internet useful? That seems extremely useful to me. You still haven't explained WHY you find it so useless, other than you just want it all separate.

For me, it's because that one device is usually a stack of compromises and is inferior to a dedicated device. It's useful if you are prepared to accept those compromises, but for anyone really into gaming, or photography, or... or... a convergence device is markedly inferior to the available dedicated products.

 

[gofreak]

I do agree with this - Sony badly needs to differentiate the PSP2 from the 3DS in order for it to be successful (more horsepower isn't going to cut it in itself), and an online focus is their best shot at that.

I think giving PSP users the controls they've repeatedly been begging for over the last number of years will win them credit too.

Combine better graphics with better controls and a better online experience, and I think the PSP audience may think twice about whether they only need a 3DS - whether it will be the best place to play those 'PSP games'. If Sony wants to defend their market for these games, they have to show their machine will still be the best place to play them. I think Nintendo is leaving enough gaps for Sony to do that fairly credibly.

So is there a chance the PSP2 might have a multi touch display beyond the rear track pad?

The IGN article says so, but other reports have been notably quiet about. Maybe cause it's just not so remarkable to have one.

You could make a great bubblewrap popping game with that and the rear touch

 

[Vyer]

:lol Lard

It's going to be a painful next 10 years for you as the world continues to leave you behind.

Because there's a major difference in terms of content between games like DQ9/Ys 7/Infinite Space/Peace Walker/etc, and your average shitty phone game? Do people not get this?

Handhelds are one of the last bastions of solid, quality gaming. Games that are reasonably pick-up-and-play but extremely content-heavy.

With the leaps these types of devices have made in just the last 3 or 4 years, I am surprised that it seems a lot of you think mobile gaming is still a shitty Bejeweled clone.

I hate to break it to you folks, but they have improved a lot, and are only going to get better.