I was guessing the psp was kinda huge. I have loads of people here at work who have no interest in the Vita or 3DS but they all bought the PSP.
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PAL Charts - Week 8, 2012
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I was guessing the psp was kinda huge. I have loads of people here at work who have no interest in the Vita or 3DS but they all bought the PSP.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Are you hoping for EA bombas or something?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Have you seen the prices on PSN over here?
I would hope there aren't many stupid enough to go DD-only at those prices. Especially with how fragile the retail market is.
Opus Angelorum
Member
I would say less than 5% of PSVita owners went DD only, due to pricing.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Not from my impressions, no. Most have bought between 1 & 2 physical titles.
We know Fifa did between 15.5k and 26k (18% of total software sales) and the launch was similar to the 3DS launch (100-125k would be similar)
Uncharted (31% of total software sales) -> 26k - 45k
Total software sales -> 83k - 145k
When did GAME buy EB and turn them into Gamestation?
I'd say there hasn't been a great deal of change since then. CEX was established 6 years ago and has only ever sold used games. I think we're talking about different timescales though, when you said it was affecting the charts, I assumed you meant a rapid expansion over the last month or three. If you are framing the rise as taking place slowly over the last 5 years, I'd tend to agree.
I'm not denying the growth, I was questioning your timescale. You didn't make it sound like you appreciated this had been happening for years at first.
Of course, even if the popularity and promotion of used games had stayed static over the last 5 years (which it hasn't), the current economic situation might well be driving people to save pennies wherever they can, thus increasing used game sales regardless.
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm pretty sure all we know about FIFA is that it did at least around ~15.5K - no defined upper boundary.
And Uncharted did 1.7x whatever FIFA did, which means at least ~26K - again no defined upper boundary.
I think Pat Garrett's comment is purely in reference to hardware, not software.
I know it's hardware. I'm saying that it's impossible for Uncharted to have sold to close to 70% of Vita owners. The real number is much lower.
~100-125k hardware
~83-145k software
~26-45k Uncharted
thesh00ter
Banned
lol well, i see people on this thread are actually happy for the Vita's success amongst other things. what with a weekly barrage of this bomba and that bomba.
pieatorium
Member
But your numbers in that post aren't based on anything tangible, only the minimums of 15.5k and 26k are what we can really say.
We know the 21 other PSV games made up 51% of unit sales, so we can calculate upper limits too be adding the maximum possible sales of all other games;
(1 x <8.5k) + (2 x <7k) + (4 x <4k) + (14 x <3k) = 80.5k
80.5k / 0.51 = 158k
158k x . 31 = 48.9k
158k x .18 = 28.4k
UNCH PSV = >26k <49k
FIFA PSV = >15.5k <29k
(1 x <8.5k) + (2 x <7k) + (4 x <4k) + (14 x <3k) = 80.5k
80.5k / 0.51 = 158k
158k x . 31 = 48.9k
158k x .18 = 28.4k
UNCH PSV = >26k <49k
FIFA PSV = >15.5k <29k
How are they not based on anything tangible when we know the minimum, the maximum and Vita doing similar numbers to 3DS?
pieatorium
Member
You were using Uncharteds minimum as Fifa's maximum, thats not how the numbers worked.
BKK has done a proper calculation.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
So The Darkness II is around 70k in the UK lifetime right now going by BKK's estimates? Would that be good or bad?
It's already too late and I doubt a price drop would stop the bleeding completely. The problem is that releasing a new home console in the current economic environment is suicide.
Hiro_Kunimi_80
Member
shinra-bansho
Member
The problem is the quote about "comparable" numbers remains undefined. Garrett might find 70K - 100K comparable.
Given we now have a calculated maximum for Uncharted of 49K - it isn't impossible for ~70% of Vita-buyers to have picked it up if the hardware numbers are ~70K.
Okay. In the end the numbers are similar to what I was saying (~3-4k) and don't change my point.
Sure, I'm realizing now that I should've known better and wait for proper numbers.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
SmokyDave said:
I think as much as anything its to do with where the chart compilers pull their data from, because its not a comprehensive list of sources, its going to be selective and heavily skewed in favour of chains - indie retailers never factored in much as far as I'm aware.
As the big chains Game/station, HMV, supermarkets etc. have moved into the used scene over the last few years I can imagine second-hand sales made by those specific retailers having a more noticable impact on chart returns particularly in the absence of hot new releases because they were always the big contributors toward chart numbers.
You could fairly argue I think that this gives a distorted picture of the impact of used-sales as a whole (i.e. a phenomenon affecting the whole games market) because of its particular impact on the returns from tracked locations, but still, the charts are the charts.
My point above all else is that if you want to get a real sense of how the market is performing, "low" weeks are as significant as "hot" ones, and we're on a string of very low weeks in the UK so far this year.
Twister Flipper
Member
Italy:
01. Just Dance 3 (Wii, Ubisoft)
02. Uncharted 3: L'Inganno di Drake (PS3, Sony)
03. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (PS3, Activision)
04. Kirby's Adventure (Wii, Nintendo)
05. FIFA 12 (PS3, EA)
06. Mario Kart 7 (3DS, Nintendo)
07. Wii Play Motion + Wii Remote Plus (Wii, Nintendo)
08. Super Mario 3D Land (3DS, Nintendo)
09. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (X360, Activision)
10. New Super Mario Bros. (Wii, Nintendo)
http://multiplayer.it/notizie/99731-classifiche-italiane-cambia-qualcosa-nelle-retrovie.html
01. Just Dance 3 (Wii, Ubisoft)
02. Uncharted 3: L'Inganno di Drake (PS3, Sony)
03. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (PS3, Activision)
04. Kirby's Adventure (Wii, Nintendo)
05. FIFA 12 (PS3, EA)
06. Mario Kart 7 (3DS, Nintendo)
07. Wii Play Motion + Wii Remote Plus (Wii, Nintendo)
08. Super Mario 3D Land (3DS, Nintendo)
09. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (X360, Activision)
10. New Super Mario Bros. (Wii, Nintendo)
http://multiplayer.it/notizie/99731-classifiche-italiane-cambia-qualcosa-nelle-retrovie.html
KillerMan91
Member
Damn. British gaming market is really crashing. New games bombing left and right. Vita launch looks decent though. Might be the year that Germany takes UK position as third largest gaming market.
redblack85
Member
week 7...
radioheadrule83
Banned
Vita HW is going to be 100k-125k I rekcon...
Patrick's comment seems to suggest it is 'comparable' to 3DS' first week, he describes it as a 'strong' launch, but he doesn't go as far in his language to suggest it had a better launch. So that leads me to believe Chart Track's HW figure is lower than 3DS' first week, but he says he is interested in what Sony announces because Nintendo announced a higher number than Chart Track as well. ie. he's suggesting its possible for Sony to announce a larger first day / weekend than 3DS even if the Chart Track figures don't support that.
Looking at PSP and PS3 launch weeks its obvious that it doesn't really matter, but it'd be a positive piece of PR for the machine if it comes.
I was surprised to see the console + game for £200 in Sainsburys by the way... that was if you bought Fifa Football or Uncharted. You'd still need to buy one of those games and buy yourself a memory card -- but that's actually a really reasonable price. I picked up my 3DS at £180, but it cost some early adopters £200-230. The price difference now is still like £70, discounting the whole memory card fiasco, so the landscape is a bit different, but still... I think the launch price translates well in the UK.
Patrick's comment seems to suggest it is 'comparable' to 3DS' first week, he describes it as a 'strong' launch, but he doesn't go as far in his language to suggest it had a better launch. So that leads me to believe Chart Track's HW figure is lower than 3DS' first week, but he says he is interested in what Sony announces because Nintendo announced a higher number than Chart Track as well. ie. he's suggesting its possible for Sony to announce a larger first day / weekend than 3DS even if the Chart Track figures don't support that.
Looking at PSP and PS3 launch weeks its obvious that it doesn't really matter, but it'd be a positive piece of PR for the machine if it comes.
I was surprised to see the console + game for £200 in Sainsburys by the way... that was if you bought Fifa Football or Uncharted. You'd still need to buy one of those games and buy yourself a memory card -- but that's actually a really reasonable price. I picked up my 3DS at £180, but it cost some early adopters £200-230. The price difference now is still like £70, discounting the whole memory card fiasco, so the landscape is a bit different, but still... I think the launch price translates well in the UK.
Baconsammy
Banned
I'm both proud and ashamed of my brothers and sisters in the UK. Where's the Lumines sales?! I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that assume they all bought it off PSN because it's a game they never want to leave their Vitas.
3ds was fine. Wii and 360 was down to supply constraints.
frankie_baby
Member
The ps3 was also dramatically overshiped (about 300k I think) and retailers were price slashing it within days just to shift stock
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
I'm not sure how you can make those assumptions. I bought a Vita in the US with three games, all from the PSN. The 3DS doesn't have this back door does it?
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Probably not. You can tell what the absolute minimum is because the only way you can rate games on PSN is if you buy them on PSN.
So Rayman Origins in the US has sold at least a 1000 copies on the Vita (because it's got about 1k ratings). There isn't really any way to tell how many people actually rate the stuff they buy though. But either way that seems like a lot since its Rayman Origins.
test_account
XP-39C²
From what i've seen, they shipped around 230k PS3s in the UK. And even with price reduction, the RRP was £425, so its pricetag was still very high. The UK PS3 launch was definitely strong concidering the price
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Wii and 360 were also coming off of the Gamecube and Xbox compared to the PSP/PS3 coming off of the PS2.
feint_ruled
Member
Well, it's good but not great compared to others. Those games are both £40, so you need to spend £240 which is ok if you wanted either of those games but if not, meh. Asda is the great deal, £197 standalone! I wish more supermarkets matched that, I don't have any Asda's nearby.
BassForever
Member
While Vita numbers are decent, but I'm worried for it's longevity. I wouldn't be surprised if in a week or two numbers completely drop off.
It will depend on the flow of games. If it's going to be dry then it's going to drop off.
Silent Hill alone probably makes it better than what 3DS had. And then it has Gravity Rush in May.
BassForever
Member
How big is the silent hill franchise in Europe? Gravity Rush sales are really hard to predict hopefully SCEE advertises the hell out of it.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I think you would be better off waiting on actual numbers if you want to compare anything. Chart position comparisons are fairly idiotic without the only data that matters, the actual units sold.
What does Sony Online Entertainment have to do with anything?
SCEE
probably won't push Gravity Rush hard given it's a PSN title in EU. After the amazing debut of HSG that's maybe for the best.radioheadrule83
Banned
The Vita's launch lineup alone is better than 3DS' first six months... but they're not competing against that now. They're competing against an established competitor and everything else around it. Nintendo sacrificed the launch lineup for the privelege of launching nearly a year earlier... thinking about the LTD userbases of each so far, it was probably a good move.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
As we learn every gen, "coming off" means very little.
radioheadrule83
Banned
True... but I think his point was that the previous consoles may have at least affected early enthusiasm. I think it probably did.
Father_Brain
Banned
This is a Sales-Age thread, though. Those titles may be qualitatively better than anything 3DS had between launch and OoT 3D (or between OoT 3D and SF64 3D, for that matter), but how likely are they to actually sell systems beyond the early adopters?
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Of course I don't just mean positions, but that being said it can still be quite telling, after the second week of the 3ds release in the uk it's games dropped out of the chart completely for months, if that doesn't happen with the vita then numbers or not we know it isn't doing as bad initially, and anyway it's fun conjecturing and trying to work this stuff out without the numbers, and then when we do get them it's the icing on the cake.