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Phil Spencer: "I know we have to take risks [after Scalebound cancellation],"
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JaytechTV. Say anything bad about PS and he'll block you, he is anti anything not PS.
Ironwolf - Used to be a xbox guy and was with crapgamer but swapped to Sony. ''The cloud is more powerful than 4 Titans'' guy actually said it and was serious.
Doctre81- Nintendo fanboy, nintendo can do no wrong in his eyes.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Why? That's how games are made these days. Not using game development Method is how you end up with development messes like Versus XIII
Samurai G0SU
Member
On that note, I looked up what good old misterx has been up to, and holy shit. Still delusions, still the hidden second GPU, and a lot of Trump/Putin propaganda. Somehow I'm not surprised.
Some people just live in another world...
Jimmyfenix
Member
i haven't seen the "i believe in phil spencer" banners recently
CrimsonEclipse
Member
Psshhhhh
Im betting a pre event in April/May
Nah...You never know I suppose.
but seriously, nah...E3 XD
On that note, I looked up what good old misterx has been up to, and holy shit. Still delusions, still the hidden second GPU, and a lot of Trump/Putin propaganda. Somehow I'm not surprised.
Some people just live in another world...
Well yeah, he makes money off rubes coming to his little site. You need to keep bringing them back with crazier rumors every time. I'm surprised he hasn't had a rumor that Trump will give out xbox ones to every american on the 20th (might be saving that for the 19th update).
We're making "Make Xbox Great Again" hats. Give us a week.
Samurai G0SU
Member
Well.... someone asked phil and he said he didnt know when they would show it. The person replied, everyone wants to hear about it pre-e3 and phil replied "youre right."
Ah snap im stirring the pot
Edit: ah shit i thought i posted my question in the scorpio thread. Goshdammit! Ugh.....
Sigh
OnionPowder
Member
Holy shit
LegalEagleMike
Member
Dirk Benedict
Member
Pro tip: You can safely disregard any twitter account within the username. They're sad man-children with an unhealthy love for an inanimate plastic object.
If any have played FFT, then you'd know what this is.
As for taking Risks. Well, now this is a subject I can finally chime in on with scathing words to boot. They do NOT risk anything. They have talented people working for the company and they do come up with some innovative patents, but most of the time they throw money at their problems. With Balmer, especially it was that scenario and a shit ton more.
Balmers steamroller tactics are what ended his shit in the company and they put someone in there, who knows when to throw money and when not to. Nadella is smart and seems ruthless in his own subtle way. As pretty much every CEO of MS has been.
Ultimately, I don't think, Spencer has the final word on this. I don't think Xbox Games Studios have the same amount of independence from Microsoft, that PlayStation has from Sony.
Also, comparing corporate cultures, doing things in incredibly different ways with how they handle their content-throughput is certainly telling who is being more efficient and productive, even though the same company(MS) has considerably more money to play with.
In short, Microsoft buys in on industry they want to be a part of instead of creating something unique within that industry and bringing something new to the table.
To be fair, I am thankful for Xbox Live, it paved the way for consoles to go beyond local 2 player. Also, not too thankful, as more games don't even have local coop now at days.
Risk is a new word to Microsoft.
They can talk about it from the mountain tops, but let's see these people act on the talk and set shit into motion. Cause as it stands, I am seeing the brand get a fuckton of flack. The Scalebound thing just opened the floodgates.
Post found by supposed MS employee on IGN, so take it with it three billion grains of salt
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/c...me-worrisome-things.454909867/#post-512553781
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/c...me-worrisome-things.454909867/#post-512553781
Crooked16th
Banned
Phil should take a chance and give us a remaster of The Movies or The Movies 2.
Dirk Benedict
Member
Says a lot of obvious things. Let me take 3 billion and one grains of salt, pls. Thx.
Samurai G0SU
Member
Hes getting fired. Rip ms rep.
justsomeguy
Member
Changception.
onemanasylum
Banned
That is a big pile of nothing.
ChosenPredator
Banned
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Phil has Scalebound in its final form locked away in his safe. You will never see it.
He wanted you to know this.
I needed that. Thanks.
Dirk Benedict
Member
Pretty much. I thought I was reading a summary of what I already know. AKA "thanks for nothing"
Also @ the posts above (HAahahaha!)
And yet Phantom Dust is going to be a remake of the same game instead of something totally new.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
This doesn't really make sense.
Xbox wants to go the Nintendo route but doesn't want to do that with IPs created under the Nintendo route (Rare's)?
Louis Cyphre
Banned
If they spend a lot of time talking about Scorpio at E3 and show minimal new IPs that aren't indie titles then they are done as far as I am concerned. Having Nintendo and Sony to continue in this arena with Microsoft supporting the PC isn't a bad scenario at all.
If Phil doesn't give it, I'm going to leak everything I know about the Scorpio. The good and the bad.
digoutyoursoul
Member
For me the doubts about Phil started to creep in after their E3 2016 show had finished, of course this sort of stuff is subjective but I thought that show was underwhelming and I wasn't even that hyped to begin with.
Before the show he had stated it was one of the most special events of Xbox history and compared it in importance to the launch of 360. Then I watched and after it had finished all I could think was is that it? Really? In terms of actual gaming announcements I expected a little better there or something to really surprise people but it didn't come for me. (I saw the leaked list and thought the same at the time)
It was then I thought I am not so sure about this guy, nothing personal towards him, just the Xbox stuff. The S is nice, I like it a lot and the backwards compatibility is much appreciated but for me it shouldn't be the forefront of what you have to say particularly it's dominance in announcements since E3. It seems in terms of news it's took over a pretty quiet few months since that presser.
Then this week with the Scalebound stuff I noticed older tweets from him and they are repeated more or less on the same subjects.
One thing I would like to see is someone with gaming history above him at Microsoft, I look at Sony with Kaz and of course games are what Nintendo is, I don't feel MS have that.
Before the show he had stated it was one of the most special events of Xbox history and compared it in importance to the launch of 360. Then I watched and after it had finished all I could think was is that it? Really? In terms of actual gaming announcements I expected a little better there or something to really surprise people but it didn't come for me. (I saw the leaked list and thought the same at the time)
It was then I thought I am not so sure about this guy, nothing personal towards him, just the Xbox stuff. The S is nice, I like it a lot and the backwards compatibility is much appreciated but for me it shouldn't be the forefront of what you have to say particularly it's dominance in announcements since E3. It seems in terms of news it's took over a pretty quiet few months since that presser.
Then this week with the Scalebound stuff I noticed older tweets from him and they are repeated more or less on the same subjects.
One thing I would like to see is someone with gaming history above him at Microsoft, I look at Sony with Kaz and of course games are what Nintendo is, I don't feel MS have that.
AtlantiC_CodeX
Neo Member
Microsoft this gen has been after nothing but the casual market, even when they try to look like they are not they don't even bother to make it look real.
Actions speaks louder than words and the pr talk is nothing but trash as always.
Actions speaks louder than words and the pr talk is nothing but trash as always.
hydrophilic attack
Member
it's all about the ♏ these days
war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength
Samurai G0SU
Member
Wut m8
U are oblivious to what they offer apparently. Idk how many times ppl list games that arent casual under ms. Lol these posts are so good though. Yummmm
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Oh god, please no. Last thing Xbox needs to be associated with, even as a joke.
I don't understand
SenjutsuSage
Banned
This is so perfect it isn't even funny.
I have to admit didn't even see the big picture until well after that E3. Always had question marks and suspicions but looking back and reading through on here all the things he said and did, or didn't, it's easy to see an insincerety between the things he says and does. When he said how he doesn't see how the competition, meaning PS, has more games or when he said how the focus would be on games, games, games and during his leadership how that number has decreased. Or how he always says nice things like praises the competition but then they go and diss them and even apologizes for it but they keep doing it. Either don't praise them and keep the trash talk going or be sincere with your praise. If you're going to say how dev relationships are key and how they will improve on that aspect and then burn so many bridges or how he kept stressing how xbox will be about more games games and just games and instead we have only a handful of games in the near future. It took a bit to see the big picture but all just came together and the Scalebound stuff was just the straw that broke the camels back imo. Not to mention his decision on getting rid of xbox exclusives is a major error. I know the thought process behind it is ''we don't care if they buy our console as long as they buy our game xbox or pc''. The amount of people buying their W10 games is so abysmal compared to the people who lose trust and interest in the brand and eventually either quit or switch sides. I'm one of the biggest xbox fanboys. I still remember how I imported the 1st one. I have zero hype for Scorpio. Mainly because of the no exclusivity. You want a game no one has that's specific to a console that highlights its power and not make it comparable. If you play the same game on xbox one or scorpio the difference is not going to be that big visually even if the hardware is.
My biggest fear is that they are slowly turning the xbox brand into a portal to use for Windows 10. To make it a service rather than a product.
AtlantiC_CodeX
Neo Member
Forza and Gears m8?
have they been making any new aaa core ips? no?
compare xbox first and second party titles btw 2005-08 and now since the launch of the x1 and you'll see my point.
Nightengale
Member
As a consumer/video games fan, when it comes to Phil, there are two things I'm fundamentally distrustful about when it comes to him.
1. Whenever he puts something he's doing as any form of high-ground compared to competitors.
- He has no qualms saying he doesn't like 3rd-party deals (in relation to Sony and their 3rd-party deals) when he himself has been in charge of several, high-profile 3rd-party deals with both big games and indies, and has actively pushed said deals as one of his tentpole announcements at events. (DR4, ROTR)
- He's threw some shade at the notion Sony's E3 2016 conference was seen as better than Xbox's by criticizing the lack of shipping dates for some of those announcements "huh, no dates to many of those games" as opposed to his conference that has dates/years to all of them, and some announcements coming in the same year (DR4, FH3) despite having done similar in the past.
2. Whenever he hypes up their upcoming E3 conference.
- Every year. Every year Phil talks up their E3 conference as something so special. Too much content for 90 minutes, stuff to cut, etc etc. Will be remembered as a special moment in Xbox history compared to etc etc.
- Mind you, they've never been bad shows. Some of them are pretty good. E3 2013 by Xbox remains of my favourite E3 conferences ever, despite it being hated for 499 and LOLDRM.
- But the hyperbole of Phil has never helped it out. He always overhypes his events and none of them are outstanding to the level he sets it up, especially since his language just gets more hype-mongering year after year, and last year's E3 conference was his worst one yet.
bitbydeath
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TheUnsunghero26
Member
I think I might agree with you there. Despite a few issues, there were some great announcements. It was pretty much game after game.
Pretty sure the budgets for Quantum Break, Scalebound, and Sea of Thieves were not small. While they don't own the IP on the following, I'd wager the deals for Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, and Ryse were not cheap either.
They have tried things, just had a run of bad luck with anything driving sales.
AtlantiC_CodeX
Neo Member
Here's my original point:
Other than scalebound (which I was looking for since it's announcement) and maybe Sunset Overdrive those are just some games targeting casuals.
Ryse originaly a kinect game thus the exclusivity, Sunset Overdrive was a title that sony refused to pay for thus went to ms, QB was under development since before the new ms direction for this gen, lastly Titanfal was just another fps multiplayer game.
there's a big difference with titles that resonates with the casual market and hardcore nich games such as gravity rush not to mention that they aren't building or expanding any first party studios rather than prety much closing everything, the only studios getting built\expanded are for gears, halo, and forza.
digoutyoursoul
Member
It's clear you are passionate, my advice for what it's worth, try not to be a fanboy, it's not worth it dude. Maybe take a step back and look at what other platforms offer if financially possible?
I have a 90k gamerscore, spent a lot of money on the three platforms with games, Live subs etc but when I see something else on the market I try it if I can afford it. To me the best feedback is to vote with your wallet. They have heard all the complaints before many times I'm sure.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Yeah the hyperbole is starting to grate slightly , I get that he wants to big up Xbox, it's his job, the end results are not doing much for me at the moment.
anothertech
Member
Is timlot Tim Dog or something?
Fuck anyone that tells me I dont want a banjo 3. That kickstarter wouldnt have been so successful if that were true.
gaming_noob
Member
I still believe in Spencer. My wife and I use the Xbox One every day and love it. We try to avoid online drama so I guess you can say ignorance is bliss.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I think the focus on the raw sales of specific titles is precisely the wrong way to go about these things. The focus should be on offering high quality games with some decent variety between them. It has to be known that how well a game sells is, more than half the time, not a true indication of the quality of the game, nor is it exactly an indication of how well fans will take a franchise. The way these things should and need to work is that the publisher and the studio (but the publisher especially) putting out the game need not have any sort of positive reinforcement as to how good or bad their game is. They should immediately know and understand the quality of their game and the potential it has going forward. And if they feel their game is a winner, then they should be prepared to greenlight a followup. If these things happen fans that enjoyed or loved the first will not only be back, they will bring others with them.
The problem I see is that enough worthwhile franchises simply aren't being given a second chance anymore these days it seems like. it makes you wonder, "then how are publishers expecting these to ever become anything?" Quantum Break not getting a sequel when the first was so fucking good, and with a message being put out that the goal is to greenlight big games and take some risks, would be tantamount to dereliction of duty, being asleep at the switch. The foundation is crazy!!! Why wouldn't we want to see what that blossoms into? They've worked out some amazing technical wizardry in getting that game together. They need to revisit that. Who that loved that game isn't interested in seeing how Jack's powers develop? Who isn't interested in seeing if he goes and does what we all think he's going to do? Who doesn't want to see how he'll fight a shifter?