I'm glad Sam Bee is at least covering the lack of coverage of policy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxf4dFINMTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxf4dFINMTY
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT16| Unpresidented
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BreezyLimbo
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If trump does destroy Obama's legacy the next Democratic presidential candidate should definitely rile up the base with that. Remind everyone how trump and republican cronies have disrespected the very fabric of our democracy and the accomplishments of a great man.
"Here we have trump, who lost the popular vote but felt he had a mandate to destroy his predecessors legacy. To eradicate from the face of history the very fact that an African American president was able to lift us up from a great recession. He wants us to forget that an African American president was able to help millions of Americans to acquire life saving healthcare while the economy produced millions of jobs.
trump who once led the racist and conspiratorial birtherism meant to discredit the legitimacy of Obama's presidency wants us to forget how Obama was above all, a great man. This will never be forgotten and it is up to you, as Americans, to stop trump and his bigoted and corrupt movement."
"Here we have trump, who lost the popular vote but felt he had a mandate to destroy his predecessors legacy. To eradicate from the face of history the very fact that an African American president was able to lift us up from a great recession. He wants us to forget that an African American president was able to help millions of Americans to acquire life saving healthcare while the economy produced millions of jobs.
trump who once led the racist and conspiratorial birtherism meant to discredit the legitimacy of Obama's presidency wants us to forget how Obama was above all, a great man. This will never be forgotten and it is up to you, as Americans, to stop trump and his bigoted and corrupt movement."
Poodlestrike
Banned
There was a message. "4-8 more years of Obama policies and improvements on those." It's the truthful message, it's the achievable message, it's not the inspiring message, but a message it remains.
I'm convinced that what this election proves is that you HAVE to lie to the voters*, or else they simply won't show up. They're not interested in anyone promising the possible.
*Or, at least, the Democratic voters. Republican voters always show up, racism, sexism, and impossible promises are just an added bonus.
I don't blame her. This is hitting a lot of people like they've just been hit by a truck.
Because reality has set in. This country is ok with electing a sexist, racist, bigot, unfit, unhinged, petty, self gloating narcissistic man. He had no plans. He lowered the bar in everything.
No one has any idea what's going to happen. Look at his VP, the people surrounding him. The GOP control congress and soon the courts. This is scary.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I got my appetite back today and ate ALL THE THINGS. I was dying. My stomach wouldn't stop making noise because over a day and a half I had eaten a third of a package of General Tso take out and a piece of toast with peanut butter
I've also played my normal video games. Watched some streamers. I slept great. Back to normal routines I do every day.
There's nothing I can do to change the election at this point. What happened is what happened, so fretting about how it could have changed is useless. I'm cautiously nervous about the future, though.
VendettaRed07
Member
I don't know how anyone could think otherwise considering where we are now.
balladofwindfishes
Member
They're going to run out of money eventually. Nobody wants to buy them and they make no money.
cheezcake
Member
That's not a vision. People need something to attach themselves to, a sentence that defines a President.
Obama - "Change we can believe in"
Trump - "Make America Great Again"
Clinton - "More of Obama, also I'm not Trump"
Obama hardly lied to win. One problem is Clinton defined herself through others which is utterly uninspiring, nor did she express a personal vision for America. She fucked up, though this is only a small aspect of it.
Randolph Freelander
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Your President-Elect may have drugged Megyn Kelly.
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/796899827485462528
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/796899827485462528
Another bit that I know will be controversial to the extreme:
- No comprehensive gun reform is possible or even desirable in this climate of building fascism. Minorities especially need an added layer of protection and deterrence, and it's time to wake up to reality. We need more minorities practicing their 2A rights, not less. Now is not the time for disarmament.
metalslimer
Member
Lawrence O'Donnell is going in on how terrible the electoral college is.
We really are having the discussion on how much we fucked up when more people wanted her to become president.
We really are having the discussion on how much we fucked up when more people wanted her to become president.
Oh, we are so fucking screwed.
Officerrob
Banned
I was doing fine, but that tweet depressed the fuck out of me
CoffeeJanitor
Member
It's a nice thought but that's ship sailed on Tuesday night when he crushed and brought tons of republicans over the finish line.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
this was posted in the OT thread but
Clintons team is blaming external factors
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215
Clintons team is blaming external factors
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215
Poodlestrike
Banned
The issue was message?
Obama definitely lied to win. He might not have known it about everything, but he promised the impossible on a whole bunch of issues.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
7 cops have been killed by white shooters in the last week.
#BlueLivesMatter haven't been very talkative about Nazis shooting at police for some reason.
#BlueLivesMatter haven't been very talkative about Nazis shooting at police for some reason.
VendettaRed07
Member
I wish we didn't do this. Well I mean it is ok because despite Obama killing both elections easily they still tried to delegitimize him, and I can't imagine how they would act if he won in a way like this.. But this election was easily winnable regardless of the EC and we supremely fucked it.
Our system is fine considering how large and diverse the country is. If it was purely by popular vote there would be no reason to visit smaller states in elections. The EC gives people a reason to value economically diverse regions and considering their needs/concerns more. We didn't do that. And we lost.
QuiteWhittle
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The universe has such a sense of humor
What are the chances of a blue wave in 2018? He won't be able to blame anyone but himself for the next 2 years, the focus will be on him not emails. Also wondering what repealing Obamacare will do once millions of people lose coverage.
Her popular vote win which is not even particularly narrow tells us that it was a badly run campaign and both senate and presidency were very winnable.
Her popular vote win which is not even particularly narrow tells us that it was a badly run campaign and both senate and presidency were very winnable.
I can't get over the fact that her biggest strength was turned into her biggest liability. She never defended her record. "I fought for you. I have fought for you my whole career. I will continue fighting for you."
She bear hugged Obama, despite the past eight years being evidence that no one actually seems to understand his policies or how they made people's lives better. They like him now because he's above partisan rancor, not because they like his policies. (see: 2012 election, where he could never make the case for himself, only Warren/Clinton could)
"Fighting for fairness" is not a good slogan, but it's better than "Stronger together" (which, again, is just defining yourself as not-Trump.)
She's not the unity candidate, she's not the hope candidate--she's the scrappy fighter candidate. Embrace her partisan past. Ironically, her message in the primary seems more resonant than her messaging in the general. Shit, her Penn micro-fucked alpha (fe)male message that (almost) co-opted the change agent message in 08 was better than this shit.
That's who I wish she had willingly portrayed herself as if, for no other reason than that is exactly who she is.
She bear hugged Obama, despite the past eight years being evidence that no one actually seems to understand his policies or how they made people's lives better. They like him now because he's above partisan rancor, not because they like his policies. (see: 2012 election, where he could never make the case for himself, only Warren/Clinton could)
"Fighting for fairness" is not a good slogan, but it's better than "Stronger together" (which, again, is just defining yourself as not-Trump.)
She's not the unity candidate, she's not the hope candidate--she's the scrappy fighter candidate. Embrace her partisan past. Ironically, her message in the primary seems more resonant than her messaging in the general. Shit, her Penn micro-fucked alpha (fe)male message that (almost) co-opted the change agent message in 08 was better than this shit.
That's who I wish she had willingly portrayed herself as if, for no other reason than that is exactly who she is.
counterfactuals, hypotheticals, etc. etc. i know i know.
Except the earlier article which blames them not listening to Bill?
metalslimer
Member
And at the same time fucks over states that are actually diverse. You wouldn't be able to win the popular vote without appealing to different people all over the country.
The universe has such a sense of humor
Maybe we should, Trump, maybe we should...
(Okay, I really don't want street violence and riots)
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
They're not wrong, in that literally every one of those things mattered. In fact, the voter ID stuff makes the Wisconsin victory specifically incredibly suspect
But still
She should have been running so far ahead of Trump that it didn't matter
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Sometimes people want to be lied to.
VendettaRed07
Member
We can make significant gains in the house if we you know, have an actual strategy.
I don't know if the senate is possible regardless of what we do.
Fuck DWS.
Officerrob
Banned
They need to do a whole lot of blaming themselves as well
Poodlestrike
Banned
I'm not disagreeing. Long term it's an unbelievably self-destructive cycle that needs to be broken, but short term it's a fact of reality that we need to embrace.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
We can do it. I believe it more than ever. People aren't just going to shut up. This might be the kick in the ass liberals finally fucking need.
Good organization. Fresh blood in the races and someone experienced like Dean organizing it all
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
I'm kind of glad that Julian Assange has to spend the rest of his life locked in one room.
I don't know what scares me more, this or his most recent tweet.
There's definitely a chance! People seem invigorated and angry right now. Many thousands are protesting all over the country which will just intensity as he actually assumes power. If they try to knock them out there will just be more hell to pay. Rally against Trump will be an easy message.
SerAardvark
Member
The Senate will mostly be defending seats the Democrats already have. The Republicans who will be defending seats are mostly in deep red states. The only battleground/battlegroundish states with seats up for grabs will be:
* Arizona (Flake).
* Nevada (Heller)
Flake might face a significant primary challenge, especially as he was a NeverTrumper. Heller might be vulnerable though (if I remember right, he wasn't all that popular in his last run).
That said, the Dems have a LOT of seats to protect.
Oh, and probably should get used to the idea that '68 is not going to be an anomalous year for much longer. Get ready.
I'll be gladder if his rapist ass gets his day in court.
I'll be gladder if his rapist ass gets his day in court.
metalslimer
Member
Holy fuck. This kind of shit scares me to death.
Nah, fuck that. No president ever visits the states that are never in play (WY, AK, ID, VT, OR, all small states, which also never get visited because they always vote either Republican or Democrat). California, New York, Texas, never get any visits past fundraising from either presidential candidate and those 3 states make up close to a third of the country. This is a terrible reason to keep the EC, because it's not true. It's 90% of the same states every single time getting the same attention.
The only small states that get visited are the ones like NV, IA, NH, any of them that might swing either way.
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