I expect this to be the norm till Trump leaves office.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.
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Carpe Libertatem
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if they do it, they're inviting the wrath of the AARP. i can hear the electric scooters revving up already.
Box of Kittens
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Rule #1 of Politico is never take their articles at face value.
I don't really see anything in there to make me think they can pass it. Phrases like "within striking distance of a majority" are pretty meaningless, aside from confirming that they don't currently have the votes.
I don't really see anything in there to make me think they can pass it. Phrases like "within striking distance of a majority" are pretty meaningless, aside from confirming that they don't currently have the votes.
ShadowSwordmaster
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What I want to know what is in the budget now.
balladofwindfishes
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We heard all that same bluster the last time. "We totally have the votes" "more people than ever are going to vote yes!" and so on
Poodlestrike
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Yup. Plus, the closer the vote actually came, the more people bailed on it. If they don't have a hard-and-fast majority now, they never will.
I mean, "through September" means through the end of the fiscal year (federal government fiscal year starts October 1), so that's when a new budget would need to be done by anyway.
Bonen no Max'd
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/...prod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share
This article didn't say anything shocking but there's some interesting stuff about what basically anyone who'd consider running in 2020 (well, except no Brown or Franken mentions but maybe we're the only people who actually want that) are up to in terms of setting up for a run. Other than the usual Booker, Cuomo, Gillibrand, etc. it mentions Klobuchar (who I've thought is sort of a dark horse that never gets brought up but could be strong, bit too conservative for my tastes though), benji's favorite McAuliffe, Seth Moulton (?), Garcetti, and some others, plus what Biden, Warren, and Bernie have been up to.
This article didn't say anything shocking but there's some interesting stuff about what basically anyone who'd consider running in 2020 (well, except no Brown or Franken mentions but maybe we're the only people who actually want that) are up to in terms of setting up for a run. Other than the usual Booker, Cuomo, Gillibrand, etc. it mentions Klobuchar (who I've thought is sort of a dark horse that never gets brought up but could be strong, bit too conservative for my tastes though), benji's favorite McAuliffe, Seth Moulton (?), Garcetti, and some others, plus what Biden, Warren, and Bernie have been up to.
Interesting Reading:
Political correctness: how the right invented a phantom enemy (How Trump/Right use Anti-PC to their advantage - most important read)
The Corporatization of the Web Has Thinned Out Our Culture and Undermined American Democracy
The Case for the Politicization of Science
Has Trump Stolen Philosophys Critical Tools?
Political correctness: how the right invented a phantom enemy (How Trump/Right use Anti-PC to their advantage - most important read)
The Corporatization of the Web Has Thinned Out Our Culture and Undermined American Democracy
The Case for the Politicization of Science
Has Trump Stolen Philosophys Critical Tools?
TheLaughingStock
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Don't understand the um reaction. That's great news if it goes through...
RastaMentality
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ShadowSwordmaster
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That and what might be in the budget too. This seems like too good to be true.
Carpe Libertatem
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any deal was going to have that increased funding. the question was always about the wall. from what i understand, there is language in this deal explicitly says no funding for a wall.
Garcetti and Moulton need to try for another level first, governor of their state in both cases. Landrieu might be in position. In my mind, Harris, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, Booker, and Cuomo are the big 5. I'm doubtful on Biden or Warren, extremely doubtful on Sanders.
shinra-bansho
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Just accept Gillary as your leader.
Dubbedinenglish
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"I swear I'll have your money, as soon as I get it."
hawkshockey11
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Govt Shutdown Avoided
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/...government-through-september.html?smid=tw-bna
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/...government-through-september.html?smid=tw-bna
Franken would be a better VP candidate. If he's the guy they'll be able to play his SNL stuff to try and tar and feather him and the country might be tired of TV-star types by then.
Aaron Strife
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As much as I'd love Brown (he's probably just behind Franken in a primary for me), I think it's worth considering that the Ohio Senate seat is lost forever when he retires.
haha no
practically no one on the moderate/conservative side cared that trump was basically just a celebrity tv host, i really doubt they'll suddenly start caring in 2020
That is what the Democrats have been offering to concede since day 1 -- long before Trump fucked up the negotiations
Congress never goes along with the President's budget, so I doubt that was even a factor in negotiations. They've made their own deals
In fact, Graham said a month ago that Democrats were willing to give the President his military spending as long as it didn't come at the expense of domestic programs:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/border-wall-trump-congress-funding-236561
I'm saying the national mood might lean towards wanting someone with some actual experience by then, especially after 4 years of the Trump shit show aging us all exponentially.
Franken has been a senator for like eight years, there's no way to paint him as having no experience. I don't think he'll run, I just think that's kind of a worthless attack angle if you're running against him.
People were convinced that a guy who bankrupted a casino was a good businessman.
People have already stopped paying attention, assuming they can't get the votes or that the Senate won't pass something. It's pretty worrying tbh
but on the other hand...
The odds are not in their favor
I wonder if a shoe is about to drop, he been freaking all week
Bonen no Max'd
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Even before my dad figured out all Republicans want to do is screw him over he thought Hannity was a dumbass lol
I tuned in to Hannity's radio show a few times a few days ago and the only callers he took while I was listening was people who called in to tell him what a great person he is, how the accusations are all liberal smears, he's the only person they trust, [slurp kiss lick]
Suikoguy
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That's a fantastic way to waste money and keep people going to hospitals for care instead of far cheaper options.
Fucking dumbasses.
This reads to me like the crazies in the HFC weren't even in on the talks so as to not risk them gumming up the works. Unlike with the AHCA it seems the GOP establishment decided to forgo even trying to get them on board.
Does the deal actually fund the insurance subsidies for deductible reductions for low income people. I keep seeing that the trump administration will "indefinitely" fund them but that doesn't mean shit. Are they funded or are we supposed to take trumps word that they promise to fund them.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's a major change in strategy, frankly I don't know what to think now.
Given the amount of power dems and Pelosi seem to have had over this process, that signals the GOP was in no position to get anything passed with only GOP votes. I think the leverage here is that if Trump goes rogue the Dems just refuse to play in the future and the GOP, with control of all levers of government, get a government shutdown on their watch come October - the Dems are basically saying, keep Trump in line on this through the remainder of the FY or we walk come September. I wouldn't be surprised if the ACA payments aren't a major part of the negotiations for a full FY18 budget. Hell, given what the dems got in this bill the new FY moving on with just a CR would be a win too.
More_Badass
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What happened with the Arts, PBS, NPR, etc. in regards to the budget?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I'm going to miss Pelosi.
I've not heard yet, but considering how small the budget for them is, I seriously doubt they were cut.
Gutting those was part of Trump's "skinny" preliminary budget proposal that was talking about what the WHI wanted in the budget that would need to pass before October 1. This deal was all just trying to close out the remainder of this fiscal year, and given the leverage dems seem to have had I'd doubt any of the arts and PBS stuff was on the cutting block here and likely continues as under the previous appropriations.
I know Planned Parenthood is funded in this deal so it's likely the rest is too.
Also, surprise (said no one)
Odds are they're funded. No way in hell Schumer and Pelosi help pass something that guts them.
Frank the Great
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Honestly . . . Dems working with moderate Rs to fund the government is exactly how the system is supposed to work. Even if there is stuff in there we don't like, it's kind of nice to see such a compromise. A brief return to sane politics.
If politics were sane the GOP wouldn't need the Dems at all. We're lucky the tea party is so crazy and Trump is so dumb.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yeah, that's why i'm still a little hesitant to fully celebrate until it passes.
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