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[Poke]

Good for you, Polygon. Also completely right.

 

[Can Crusher]

MS thought the world was just going to bend over.

 

[Dude Abides]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=580165

Idiotic conspiracy theories?

 

[sTeLioSco]

Idiotic conspiracy theories?

no,numbers...

 

[SuicidalSteve]

Sophisticated Gamer (commenter) wrote:

"Sigh….people just don’t like change – i get it. But this time next year all the pre-release whining will be long forgotten and the Xbox-One will be a mainstay in the majority of living rooms across the world. Why? Simple – let us not forget that above all Microsoft makes the most cutting edge gaming hardware (uh, wii-u anyone? lol) and once people experience the jaw-dropping graphics and audio fidelity on games that are ONLY available on Xbox (Halo, Forza, Fantasia, Madden and COD) everything else from the competitors will feel like Sega Genesis quality. Also, the TV integration is a killer. Every household watches TV and being able to control my set with vocal commands or high fidelity motion gesture controls is something straight out of Minority Report. Welcome to the future. Get on or get off."

LMAO

Delusional

Probably hired by Microsoft

 

[3rdman]

My post was ignorant, my deepest apologies. I was wrong pure and simple.

Woah...this is the internet buddy. You're doing it all wrong...at this junction, you are supposed to tell him that he is an ass and that you'll be visiting his mother later tonight. C'mon...Internet 101 here folks!

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Very interesting that IGN and the ZD media outlets are pretty much staying out of these, and playing "nice" with Publishers. Also very unsettling.

Right panel, top left.

 

[hatchx]

Well just about all my friends, casual gamers, have heard negative press about the Xbox One.

 

[chadskin]

Thanks for the list. Hopefully more mainstream outlets get aboard the Fuck MS train and point out how anti-consumer that shit is.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Damn.
And just the other day I was reading about how Polygon is in MS's pocket because they gave tLoU an only "good" review LOL

 

[Iacobellis]

Right panel, top left.

Yet I see WSJ there.

 

[Curufinwe]

Sophisticated Gamer (commenter) wrote:

"Sigh….people just don’t like change – i get it. But this time next year all the pre-release whining will be long forgotten and the Xbox-One will be a mainstay in the majority of living rooms across the world. Why? Simple – let us not forget that above all Microsoft makes the most cutting edge gaming hardware (uh, wii-u anyone? lol) and once people experience the jaw-dropping graphics and audio fidelity on games that are ONLY available on Xbox (Halo, Forza, Fantasia, Madden and COD) everything else from the competitors will feel like Sega Genesis quality. Also, the TV integration is a killer. Every household watches TV and being able to control my set with vocal commands or high fidelity motion gesture controls is something straight out of Minority Report. Welcome to the future. Get on or get off."

LMAO

Delusional

He thinks Madden and COD are Xbox exclusives. How cute.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Yet I see WSJ there.

WSJ (and CNET) isn't a games media site, the deal between them and MS won't be very important, MS need them more. IGN on the other hand won't bite the hand that are feeding them. No #PS4NoDRM article and now not even a whimper as MS release a document which, for all intents and purposes, trashes the first sale doctrine.

 

[JaseMath]

Good on Polygon. Considering the doc money, I never expected the comments.

 

[Dude Abides]

no,numbers...

Uh huh. Your thread got shat on and locked for a reason.

 

[$h@d0w]

Polygon's one on one interview just got cancelled.

 

[rakkadakka]

Yet I see WSJ there.

It's almost as if, it's just an app on one particular ecosystem.

 

[TheGreyHulk]

Nice job polygon. As gamers, we shouldn't stand for what ms is doing. We shouod let friends know of the issues and hope they make the right choice and skip the xboner

 

[flyinpiranha]

Good read. Kudos to the author.

 

[GoddyofAus]

Damned if they do, damned if they dont...

Mainstream media, I'm not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[ChryZ]

I never read Polygon out of spite, but they'll earned it today ... so here's your click, Polygon.

*click*

 

[boredandlazy]

God, just re-reading their clarifications makes me so angry. Thinking about not even watching the MS conference at this point. I honestly don't even want to engage with these fuckers right now.



Let's not forget that this is (for now) just one company doing this. At the moment, there are still viable alternatives and MS can still fall flat on their face. If Sony follows suit, that's when you can start crying that the sky is falling.

Fixed that for you.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

It's almost as if, it's just an app on one particular ecosystem.

No, it's almost as if WSJ and CNET don't give a shit if MS chuck them off the platform because gaming is a side concern while IGN have a lot to lose.

 

[SneakyStephan]

You know it's a big deal when even Polygon realises they can't shill this one out unscathed.

I give them a 9 for integrity, I mean a 4, I mean a 6.

OT: I'm glad to see this getting so much press

 

[RionaaM]

The meat of the issue with the argument expands well beyond games. The sidebar calls out a "growing global resentment for corporations." This is a large part of the problem.

Most people that go through business school come to realize this stance is preposterous. Corporations are merely a tool that allows individuals to accomplish more than they can alone. They have been the driving force for the the dramatic quality of life improvements we've seen over the last 100 years. Rallying against corporations when speaking to a business professional comes off as irrational and misguided. It immediately reduces the impact of any arguments that follow it. Especially when there have been specific examples of differences in vocal opinions on the internet and behavior in practice.

I keep reiterating this where ever I can, but I'll say it again. In theory anything that is good for publishers is good for consumers. Higher profits attract increasing investment. I do not see any conditions in place that would not allow the market to correct any mistakes made by platform holders. If Microsoft is wrong with their approach, the market will punish them.

I'll have to disagree with this. Not anything that's good for publishers is good for consumers too. Banning used games isn't, for example. Preventing the lending of them isn't either. Forcing people to be connected to the internet all the time is great for publishers as a marketing and ad delivering tool, but TERRIBLE for customers who don't have a reliable connection.

Increased investment isn't inherently good. It depends on how the money is used, and for what purpose. Spending more and more cash in marketing and PR doesn't translate in a benefit for us gamers.

Myself, I don't hate corporations per se, nor do I think they are all evil and out to screw us over. I do hate when corporations take this kind of anti-consumer measures, just to increase their profit margins. Rallying against corporations when they are taking one of these measures is not only a good thing, but shows that people are aware of their rights, and won't let them be taken away without a fight.

In the end the market will speak, either in favor of or against the Xbone. I sincerely hope it's the latter, and that MS learns stuff like this is not acceptable.

 

[lt519]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=580165

Thanks! That sucks, but correlation isn't always causation. I do think they tell it how it is sometimes, although their review of Ni No Kuni was horrendous as well (another PS3 exclusive..). Reviews are a bad idea in general anyway.

I didn't know they were mean to GAF ):

 

[Officerrob]

no,numbers...

Stop embarrassing yourself

 

[aronnov reborn]

And instead of doing anything about this, the consumers will just buy this so they can play whatever based shooter. So sad.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Well, that site wasn't founded up to $750k by MS in the first place ?

In their defense, their MS Defense Force has been very strong up until this article.

 

[TheMan]

That next to last line of the piece is moronic. Of course they're married to business...they ARE business. Microsoft's DRM is maddening and disheartening, but let's not kid ourselves.

1. Publishers almost certainly had a large part to play in this mess. Microsoft has to please publishers since they need their games.
2. Sony will be doing similar shit.
3. Most of you will cave and buy the thing anyway

 

[Acorn]

You know it's a big deal when even Polygon realises they can't shill this one out unscathed.

I give them a 9 for integrity, I mean a 4, I mean a 6.

 

[Templar_Dante]

BUT DAMN im glad I checked Gaf before I did. Still had to rub my eyes and re-read the name of the thread lol. Well done Polygon, atleast for today, you have a spine!

 

[F0rneus]

3. Most of you will cave and buy the thing anyway

Why do some people have a hard time believing that consumers can and WILL have spines.

 

[J_Lee]

I can't believe Polygon said that never thought I would read something like that on their website for once I agree with them.

 

[disco]

I think the Xbox One has the capability to overthrow capitalism as we know it.

 

[ZoddGutts]

Now if only PA could find there's on this subject matter.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Now if only PA could find there's on this subject matter.

Ha, Ben Kuchera will not row back on his previous comments. He is one of those numties who actually believes that used games are taking food off the table for game developers. What an idiot.

 

[Acorn]

Now if only PA could find there's on this subject matter.

They are too rich to give a fuck these days.

 

[JDSN]

Yeah, this story isn't going away. BBC, CNN, Forbes, NBC, Time and The Wall Street Journal have all reported on it:

• 8-4 Play Podcast: "Basically, to summarise what happened: Microsoft took a giant, steaming shit in the collective mouths of anyone who has ever been a fan of their system who had hopes that they were actually not going to fuck this up."
• Adweek: Gamers Grow Increasingly Incensed with Microsoft's Xbox One
• BBC: Xbox One: Microsoft defends pre-owned games rules
• Bloody-Disgusting: Microsoft Answers Our Lingering Questions About The Xbox One
• Blorge: Why gamers hate the Xbox One
• Buzz Focus: Microsoft Xbox One Gives the Silent F-U to Ebay
• CNN: Microsoft talks game-sharing, 'always-on' Xbox One
• Complex: Microsoft Finally Reveals Xbox One Details, It's Mostly All Bad News
• Destructoid: Xbox One kills game ownership, here's what Xbox fans say
• Eurogamer: Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile
• Examiner: Xbox One: What gamers need to know about Microsoft’s used game policies
• Forbes Contributor: Microsoft Confirms Gamers' Fears Over Xbox One
• Forbes Contributor (2): Microsoft's Shortsighted Approach Might Have Already Killed Xbox One
• Forbes Contributor (3): The Xbox One Might Let Sony's PS4 Win By Default
• Giant Bomb: The Giant Bomb staff deciphers the digital-rights policies for Microsoft's new console through interpretive dance
• Giant Bomb (2): Major Publishers Silent On Xbox One Used Game Policies
• Kotaku: The Xbox One Just Had A Very Bad Day
• Kotaku (2): When Will Gamers Say Enough Is Enough?
• LazyGamer: Microsoft confirms insane Xbox One DRM
• MCV UK: Indie retailers desperate for Xbox One pre-owned answers
• MCV UK (2): Publishers quiet over Xbox One pre-owned intentions
• Metro UK: Xbox One and the corporate war against consumers
• NBC News: Microsoft clarifies policies on game licensing, privacy, and DRM for Xbox One
• NowGamer: Xbox One: It's For Publishers, Not For You
• PC Magazine: Microsoft Xbox One: No Internet? Big Problem
• Polygon: Xbox One policy is a lovely marriage proposal to big corporations
• Polygon (2): Indie developers sound off on next-gen consoles and the importance of self-publishing
• RedOrbit: You Can Share Your Xbox One Games (Sort Of)
• Shacknews: Publishers comment on Xbox One used games policy
• TechnoBuffalo: Xbox One and Used, Borrowed and Sold Games – The Official Word
• TechnoBuffalo (2): Xbox One: Unless Microsoft Changes Their Policies, I’m Out
• TechRadar: Xbox One 'always online': What does it mean for gamers?
• TechSpot: Xbox One will force gamers to stay online after all
• The Diplomat: Has Microsoft Already Ruined the Xbox One?
• The Guardian: Xbox One requires daily net connection
• The Wall Street Journal: Microsoft’s Xbox One: Owning Your Video Games Is So 1994
• Time: Microsoft’s Xbox One Used Games Policies Are Clear as Mud
• VG247: Xbox One: the record is broken, long live the record
• VG247: Xbox One pre-owned: analysts, publishers, indie retailers weigh-in
• WhatCulture!: Xbox One: 10 Shocking Things You Won’t Believe

A few things to note:

• VG247 have been denied E3 interviews.
• TechnoBuffalo confirmed in their article that they've been also been denied interviews, as have some of their colleagues.
• The list of confirmed outlets denied interviews is Giant Bomb, GI.biz, MCV, Tapezilla, VG247 and TechnoBuffalo. "Scheduling conflict", indeed.
• While the Forbes pieces are from contributors, they're currently the most read articles on the entire site.

Edit: The story is currently on the front page of BBC, CNN, Forbes, NBC, Time and The Wall Street Journal.

 

[RedNumberFive]

Now if only PA could find there's on this subject matter.

They got their Kickstarter money. Hopefully they'll use it to buy a fucking clue.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Very interesting that IGN and the ZD media outlets are pretty much staying out of these, and playing "nice" with Publishers. Also very unsettling.

They still haven't commented, outside of podcasts and twitter, on the #PS4NODRM campaign.

 

[shink]

I really hope all this media coverage is seen by the general public at large.

I can still see that once MS start their marketing campaign all of this will be forgotten and Xbox Ones will be sold by the millions without a care in the world for these anti consumer practices.

 

[royalan]

That next to last line of the piece is moronic. Of course they're married to business...they ARE business. Microsoft's DRM is maddening and disheartening, but let's not kid ourselves.

1. Publishers almost certainly had a large part to play in this mess. Microsoft has to please publishers since they need their games.
2. Sony will be doing similar shit.
3. Most of you will cave and buy the thing anyway

Pretty much.

Also, I still don't understand the "anti-middle class" claim. Last time I checked, launch-priced consoles weren't a fundamental right.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Right panel, top left.

WSJ is there and they've been somewhat critical.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Pretty much.

Also, I still don't understand the "anti-middle class" claim. Last time I checked, launch-priced consoles weren't a fundamental right.

 

[aronnov reborn]

Why do some people have a hard time believing that consumers can and WILL have spines.

I know I will. This will push me to a wii u now. I have no faith in the consumer because of the success of DLC.

People were outraged by that too at first and having to pay for it. Now people will pay say $60 for CoD and another $60 for DLC. Disgusting. Consumers will bitch and then buy it anyways. I'm finally done.

 

[MMaRsu]

I really hope the xbone dies off fast after it hits the market.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Polygon? I said damn!

 

[SeanR1221]

Why do the headlines from gaming sites sound so immature? They can get their point across with a little more class so people take them seriously. Taking a dump in gamer's mouths? Really?

 

[Jrs3000]

Right panel, top left.

IGN is the one getting paid by MS not polygon, O'snap!