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[Dr. Malik]

I hope the next OT takes my title suggesting since we are heading to the ARTPOP era anyways

 

[Vazra]

Gold star worthy tbh *.*

PLatinum stars should be handed out to people who organize something like PopOlympics, and people who do a fine job with the OT or within the community.

This OT is definitely Platinum Star worthy, for instance. Aguila is killing it *.*

I agree. Those who goes through the work of making PopGaf Events and This OT should be Platinum Stars. Reviews could be Gold, Silver and Bronze depending the set standards for reviews.

I think we should be setting for the next OT maybe (Its not that far if we keep moving as fast as we have been going) we should set the amount of words that get Gold, Silver and Bronze.

 

[Wafflecakes]

I agree. Those who goes through the work of making PopGaf Events and This OT should be Platinum Stars. Reviews could be Gold, Silver and Bronze depending the set standards for reviews.

I think we should be setting for the next OT maybe (Its not that far if we keep moving as fast as we have been going) we should set the amount of words that get Gold, Silver and Bronze.

Not sure I want word count to determine it. Could get out of hand. Though I would support a minimum.

I think you should be able to get up to 3 stars for reviews in a single OT. Can get platinum for one that is obviously excellent and of very high quality.




I much prefer one excellent review with nice organization...graphics...and honesty (aka not "I like this artists so 10/10" or "lol Rihrih 1/10") to five or six meh reviews. Quality>Quantity.

 

[Tomodachi]

So, while I'm trying to DIVERSIFY MY TASTES, is Nicola Roberts' solo outing worth using? I recall Lucky Day being a jam

Definitely YES. godelsmetric won't tell you otherwise.

 

[Souldriver]

It's official. Dubstep has ruined pop music.


Even when there isn't an obvious dubstep breakdown, songs today need to have a moment where the song desintegrates into a noizy skrillex-inspired mess. And that noizy mess is placed where the chorus normally used to be. As a result, what obviously should've been the chorus originally, is now pulled forward to the pre-chorus (or buildup) and never fully materializes or climaxes.


Examples: the bold is what should be the chorus but sounds like the build-up because there's no beat under it, the italic is the chaos that's the actual "chorus" because there is a beat, even though it's devoid of any melodic qualities.

• Rihanna - Where have you been
  
  Where have you been all my life... where have you been all my life... wub pfrrrrtt bzzzzzz djang djang djang wub wub​
• Rihanna - Jump
  
  if you want it, let's do it, ride it, my pony, my saddle is waiting, come and, jump on it... wub wubwubwub jump jump wub bzzzzzt jump jump wubwub​
• Leona Lewis - Glassheart
  
  ...promise we'll never fall apart, and I love you with my glassheart.... wubwubwubzzzzz and I love you with my glassheart beeezzzzretz grrrzst wub​
• Kesha - Warrior
  
  ...It's how we always been. Warrior ior ior Warrior ior ior ... Now this is our time pffrrrurutututt stand up for true love dzzzzzzzzzz​
• Kesha - Crazy Kids
  
  And we are the crazy kids, them crazy kids, we are the crazy people... I see you in the club wub wub...​
• Kesha - Supernatural
  
  ...When you take my body to the stars I believe it, boy this love is supernatural, can you feel it... pfrrrrrt come take me by the hand kgrrezezzezzzzz​

With some of those songs you could even say there isn't really a chorus in the song at all. It's just a build-up to a chorus, and some weird mixture of a middle-eight and verse afterward.

Luckily with some of these songs, at the very end, things come together and you get the "build-up" moment, but backed with a good beat, which makes it sound very chorus-like (what it should've been all along). I think of the end of Glassheart and Supernatural for example.



tldr: nowadays so many potentially awesome popsongs get ruined by weird - dubstep inspired- structure and sounds.

 

[Vazra]

Not sure I want word count to determine it. Could get out of hand. Though I would support a minimum.

I think you should be able to get up to 3 stars for reviews in a single OT. Can get platinum for one that is obviously excellent and of very high quality.

Well it can be also determined by various factors besides just word count. For example the presentation, formatting etc. Sometimes the reviews don't need to be extremely long to be great as long as they do the main purpose with enough details that say why its good or bad.

Gold: Wonderful Presentation, Formatting and detailed opinions of why things are good or not.

Silver:Good Presentation, Formatting and some good details. It could have been better presented or written but its a good job anyway.

Bronze: Some presentation and details certainly not a lot of thought went into it but it tried to add something.

EDIT: Not trying to be biased should be the best and if you do give something that might seem biased you need to be pretty elaborate before slapping the scores. You can either do some opening comments/Closing comments or talk about it as you write track by track reviews of why you think something its great but don't trashing some artist just because you dont like it. So I agree with Wafflecakes on that aspect.

 

[royalan]

It's official. Dubstep has ruined pop music.


Even when there isn't an obvious dubstep breakdown, songs today need to have a moment where the song desintegrates into a noizy skrillex-inspired mess. And that noizy mess is placed where the chorus normally used to be. As a result, what obviously should've been the chorus originally, is now pulled forward to the pre-chorus (or buildup) and never fully materializes or climaxes.


Examples: the bold is what should be the chorus but sounds like the build-up because there's no beat under it, the italic is the chaos that's the actual "chorus" because there is a beat, even though it's devoid of any melodic qualities.

• Rihanna - Where have you been
  
  Where have you been all my life... where have you been all my life... wub pfrrrrtt bzzzzzz djang djang djang wub wub​
• Rihanna - Jump
  
  if you want it, let's do it, ride it, my pony, my saddle is waiting, come and, jump on it... wub wubwubwub jump jump wub bzzzzzt jump jump wubwub​
• Leona Lewis - Glassheart
  
  ...promise we'll never fall apart, and I love you with my glassheart.... wubwubwubzzzzz and I love you with my glassheart beeezzzzretz grrrzst wub​
• Kesha - Warrior
  
  ...It's how we always been. Warrior ior ior Warrior ior ior ... Now this is our time pffrrrurutututt stand up for true love dzzzzzzzzzz​
• Kesha - Crazy Kids
  
  And we are the crazy kids, them crazy kids, we are the crazy people... I see you in the club wub wub...​
• Kesha - Supernatural
  
  ...When you take my body to the stars I believe it, boy this love is supernatural, can you feel it... pfrrrrrt come take me by the hand kgrrezezzezzzzz​

With some of those songs you could even say there isn't really a chorus in the song at all. It's just a build-up to a chorus, and some weird mixture of a middle-eight and verse afterward.

Luckily with some of these songs, at the very end, things come together and you get the "build-up" moment, but backed with a good beat, which makes it sound very chorus-like (what it should've been all along). I think of the end of Glassheart and Warrior for example.



tldr: nowadays so many potentially awesome popsongs get ruined by weird - dubstep inspired- structure and sounds.

Amen.

Glad my fave avoided the trend.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Well it can be also determined by various factors besides just word count. For example the presentation, formatting etc. Sometimes the reviews don't need to be extremely long to be great as long as they do the main purpose with enough details that say why its good or bad.

Gold: Wonderful Presentation, Formatting and detailed opinions of why things are good or not.

Silver:Good Presentation, Formatting and some good details. It could have been better presented or written but its a good job anyway.

Bronze: Some presentation and details certainly not a lot of thought went into it but it tried to add something.

Yeah that would work.

Just needs some structure so it doesn't get out of hand.

 

[Vazra]

Yeah that would work.

Just needs some structure so it doesn't get out of hand.

Take maybe some of the existing reviews and put em as Guidelines for what is a Gold/Silver/Bronze I guess. I think mine usually are silver while Marius and some others go more detailed and should get gold. Posters who just slap scores to tracks and don't detail at all why Bronze or maybe nothing depending how much content its lacking.

 

[Bladenic]

Dubstep is just ruining music period. Shit needs to fucking die.

 

[Majmun]

wub pfrrrrtt bzzzzzz djang djang djang wub wub
wub wubwubwub jump jump wub bzzzzzt jump jump wubwub
wubwubwubzzzzz and I love you with my glassheart beeezzzzretz grrrzst wub
Now this is our time pffrrrurutututt stand up for true love dzzzzzzzzzzpfrrrrrt
come take me by the hand kgrrezezzezzzzz

 

[Vazra]

Dubstep is just ruining music period. Shit needs to fucking die.

I think each thing has space to exist just that Dubstep usually its poorly implemented to other genres and the Popular Dubstep its the most generic one.

 

[Artemisia]

With some of those songs you could even say there isn't really a chorus in the song at all. It's just a build-up to a chorus, and some weird mixture of a middle-eight and verse afterward.

Luckily with some of these songs, at the very end, things come together and you get the "build-up" moment, but backed with a good beat, which makes it sound very chorus-like (what it should've been all along). I think of the end of Glassheart and Warrior for example.

Idk why you didn't use Die Young because it's the perfect example of this.

The song begins with the chorus, then enters a breakdown, and follows that pattern until the final chorus is layered with the breakdown.

I still love the song though. That structure works well only if that dubstep part can layer well with the rest of the song, which in most cases it doesn't.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Take maybe some of the existing reviews and put em as Guidelines for what is a Gold/Silver/Bronze I guess. I think mine usually are silver while Marius and some others go more detailed and should get gold. Posters who just slap scores to tracks and don't detail at all why Bronze or maybe nothing depending how much content its lacking.

Should start next OP imo.

Cleaner transition.

But yeah examples would be good....and Aguila is arbiter and gets to make final decision. We don't get to rage over stars.

 

[Supermanisdead]

next y'all will be implementing levels and people will be grinding

 

[royalan]

Dubstep is just ruining music period. Shit needs to fucking die.

But the thing is it DID die. Late 2011-Early 2012 public derision kicked in and dubstep seemed to be going away.

But somehow It. Came. Back.

I blame that damn Microsoft commercial. I really fuckin' do...

 

[Wafflecakes]

next y'all will be implementing levels and people will be grinding

Thats whats happening now..... or at least its what is starting to happen.

The main point is we want GOOD reviews. Not pumping out as many as you can so you have the most stars.

 

[Vazra]

Should start next OP imo.

Cleaner transition.

But yeah examples would be good... and Aguila is arbiter and gets to make final decision. We don't get to rage over stars.

Exactly. Next OP since we are already more than halfway here. Is Aguila going to tackle the next OP?

 

[Souldriver]

Now that I've come to think of it, Britney's Hold It Against Me, might be one of the earliest examples of this messed up song structure with the never-climaxing build-up followed by shitty beats.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Exactly. Next OP since we already more than halfway here. Is Aguila going to tackle the next OP?

If not we may as well quit now.

The OP is immaculate.

 

[Artemisia]

Yall should listen to Katy B if you want to hear dubstep done RIGHT

Katy On A Mission

Lights On

 

[royalan]

Now that I've come to think of it, Britney's Hold It Against Me, might be one of the earliest examples of this messed up song structure with the never-climaxing build-up followed by shitty beats.

It is.

 

[Vazra]

If not we may as well quit now.

The OP is immaculate.

Exactly I hope Aguila continues this.

 

[Souldriver]

Idk why you didn't use Die Young because it's the perfect example of this.

The song begins with the chorus, then enters a breakdown, and follows that pattern until the final chorus is layered with the breakdown.

I still love the song though. That structure works well only if that dubstep part can layer well with the rest of the song, which in most cases it doesn't.

True. About half of the songs on Warrior follow an abnormal song structure. But in this case I guess it's in the ears of the beholder, because in Die Young I'm not put off by the post-build up beats. That part actually has a synthezised melody in it, and none of that dubstep terribleness. So it sort of resembles a chorus, even though Kesha barely sings in that part.

 

[Artemisia]

It is.

fucking dr luke

He also produced Primadonna which has that exact same structure.

 

[cory64]

It's definitely a product the general EDM scene, not just dubstep, it's just more noticeable when it's coming from that spectrum.

Rih was doing dubstep right 15 albums ago. (G4L)

 

[Bladenic]

But the thing is it DID die. Late 2011-Early 2012 public derision kicked in and dubstep seemed to be going away.

But somehow It. Came. Back.

I blame that damn Microsoft commercial. I really fuckin' do...

You mean that absolutely TERRIBLE Alex Clare song? Ugh.

Also I do think Ke$ha went a tad overboard with the dubstep. But Die Young? I may be being very dense right now but I don't think that has dubstep elements.

 

[Artemisia]

You mean that absolutely TERRIBLE Alex Clare song? Ugh.

Also I do think Ke$ha went a tad overboard with the dubstep. But Die Young? I may be being very dense right now but I don't think that has dubstep elements.

 

[Bladenic]

Okay? Not all f those songs sound dubstep like.

Not even sure what you're trying to prove with that, yes Ke$ha used Dr. Luke too much. Perra is seething.

 

[Artemisia]

Okay? Not all f those songs sound dubstep like.

Not even sure what you're trying to prove with that, yes Ke$ha used Dr. Luke too much. Perra is seething.

I was just mentioning that because it seems that a lot of the biggest offenders of this 'dubstep trend' are produced by Dr. Luke.

 

[Bladenic]

I was just mentioning that because it seems that a lot of the biggest offenders of this 'dubstep trend' are produced by Dr. Luke.

True. Although from the sound of it Ke$ha had complete control over the album, so if anything, she's to blame.

 

[twobear]

So, while I'm trying to DIVERSIFY MY TASTES, is Nicola Roberts' solo outing worth using? I recall Lucky Day being a jam

Short answer: yes. Long answer: YAAAAAAAAAS.

Also I want to clear up a confusion. I don't think the breakdown in Supernatural is dubstep. It's closer to French House by my ear.

 

[cory64]

I blame David Guetta.

 

[royalan]

I was just mentioning that because it seems that a lot of the biggest offenders of this 'dubstep trend' are produced by Dr. Luke.

I'm getting really sick of Dr. Luke.

Actually, I'm getting really sick of the whole Super Producer trend. I used to enjoy seeing these behind-the-scenes guys getting their shine. But it has gotten to the point where now the producers themselves are so fucking unoriginal, and with only a handful of them getting passed around like Taylor Swift at a beard convention it means half of the Pop songs in the Top 40 sound exactly the same.

 

[twobear]

I'm getting really sick of Dr. Luke.

Actually, I'm getting really sick of the whole Super Producer trend. I used to enjoy seeing these behind-the-scenes guys getting their shine. But it has gotten to the point where now the producers themselves are so fucking unoriginal, and with only a handful of them getting passed around like Taylor Swift at a beard convention it means half of the Pop songs in the Top 40 sounds exactly the same.

Also,

 

[Wafflecakes]

I blame David Guetta.

I love his work with SIA.

...everything else though...meh.

 

[cory64]

I'm getting really sick of Dr. Luke.

Actually, I'm getting really sick of the whole Super Producer trend. I used to enjoy seeing these behind-the-scenes guys getting their shine. But it has gotten to the point where now the producers themselves are so fucking unoriginal, and with only a handful of them getting passed around like Taylor Swift at a beard convention it means half of the Pop songs in the Top 40 sound exactly the same.

Only super producer I trust is Diplo.

 

[Artemisia]

I'm getting really sick of Dr. Luke.

Actually, I'm getting really sick of the whole Super Producer trend. I used to enjoy seeing these behind-the-scenes guys getting their shine. But it has gotten to the point where now the producers themselves are so fucking unoriginal, and with only a handful of them getting passed around like Taylor Swift at a beard convention it means half of the Pop songs in the Top 40 sounds exactly the same.

you just had to use that metaphor

But I agree with you. Because a lot of the main girls are using the same producers (Max Martin, Dr. Luke, Greg Kurstin), it becomes difficult to distinguish their music. I think this is why Gaga and Rihanna stand out more than the others (Gaga also co-produces all her music so that may factor in as well).

 

[twobear]

I'm getting really sick of Dr. Luke.

Actually, I'm getting really sick of the whole Super Producer trend. I used to enjoy seeing these behind-the-scenes guys getting their shine. But it has gotten to the point where now the producers themselves are so fucking unoriginal, and with only a handful of them getting passed around like Taylor Swift at a beard convention it means half of the Pop songs in the Top 40 sound exactly the same.

It can depend on the quality of the artist too though. I mean, Earth Intruders was made on the tail end of Timbaland producing every pop song ever, but it still sounds fresh, exciting and definitively Björk while 4 Minutes just sounds like Timbaland.

Ditto for Acapella. Could you honestly say, without knowing, that David Guetta created it? No, because Kelis is too good for that.

Only super producer I trust is Diplo.

'Reused Pon De Floor for 800 songs' Diplo?

 

[Wafflecakes]

you just had to use that metaphor

But I agree with you. Because a lot of the main girls are using the same producers (Max Martin, Dr. Luke, Greg Kurstin), it becomes difficult to distinguish their music. I think this is why Gaga and Rihanna stand out more than the others.

I just can't...

 

[Artemisia]

I'm not a Rihanus fan either, but her sound is pretty distinct in the pop scene.

 

[Crumpet Trumpet]

It's official. Dubstep has ruined pop music.


Even when there isn't an obvious dubstep breakdown, songs today need to have a moment where the song desintegrates into a noizy skrillex-inspired mess. And that noizy mess is placed where the chorus normally used to be. As a result, what obviously should've been the chorus originally, is now pulled forward to the pre-chorus (or buildup) and never fully materializes or climaxes.


Examples: the bold is what should be the chorus but sounds like the build-up because there's no beat under it, the italic is the chaos that's the actual "chorus" because there is a beat, even though it's devoid of any melodic qualities.

• Rihanna - Where have you been
  
  Where have you been all my life... where have you been all my life... wub pfrrrrtt bzzzzzz djang djang djang wub wub​
• Rihanna - Jump
  
  if you want it, let's do it, ride it, my pony, my saddle is waiting, come and, jump on it... wub wubwubwub jump jump wub bzzzzzt jump jump wubwub​
• Leona Lewis - Glassheart
  
  ...promise we'll never fall apart, and I love you with my glassheart.... wubwubwubzzzzz and I love you with my glassheart beeezzzzretz grrrzst wub​
• Kesha - Warrior
  
  ...It's how we always been. Warrior ior ior Warrior ior ior ... Now this is our time pffrrrurutututt stand up for true love dzzzzzzzzzz​
• Kesha - Crazy Kids
  
  And we are the crazy kids, them crazy kids, we are the crazy people... I see you in the club wub wub...​
• Kesha - Supernatural
  
  ...When you take my body to the stars I believe it, boy this love is supernatural, can you feel it... pfrrrrrt come take me by the hand kgrrezezzezzzzz​

With some of those songs you could even say there isn't really a chorus in the song at all. It's just a build-up to a chorus, and some weird mixture of a middle-eight and verse afterward.

Luckily with some of these songs, at the very end, things come together and you get the "build-up" moment, but backed with a good beat, which makes it sound very chorus-like (what it should've been all along). I think of the end of Glassheart and Supernatural for example.



tldr: nowadays so many potentially awesome popsongs get ruined by weird - dubstep inspired- structure and sounds.

Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will sav

 

[Wafflecakes]

I'm not a Rihanus fan either, but her sound is pretty distinct in the pop scene.

I guess that confirms that standing out isn't always a good thing.

Spoiler

Rihrih still doesn't stand out at all imo. Her and Perra are the definition of generic

 

[twobear]

I'm not a Rihanus fan either, but her sound is pretty distinct in the pop scene.

90% of this is because of her voice though.

Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will save us.Robyn will sav

I don't know where she's been this year. She told us she was working on a followup to Body Talk last year...now she says she hasn't had time to record because she's been too busy touring.

I don't think I can wait another three years for more Robyn. I need it.

 

[DMeisterJ]

I guess that confirms that standing out isn't always a good thing.

Clearly the public disagrees with you with her #1 single and ALBUM this week.

She has you so PRESSED

bye

 

[Crumpet Trumpet]

Yeah I don't think any other pop girl could pull off Man Down or No Love Allowed or even What's My Name.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Clearly the public disagrees with you with her #1 single and ALBUM this week.

She has you so PRESSED

bye

I take nothing away from her success with sales and charts.

The question is whether a week after its off the radio people will remember it. Which historically has not been the case. She has no "iconic" song imo.




When someone mentions Kelly Clarkson, Gaga, Xtina, etc usually they immediatly jump to a song like Since U Been Gone, Poker Face, or Beautiful......with Rihrih its whatever was last released.

Her Genericness is actually probably a key to her success. How do you tire of an artist whose songs you forget 5 minutes after listening to them?

 

[Crumpet Trumpet]

Umbrella tbh

and maybe We Found Love

 

[Soulscribe]

Yeah I don't think any other pop girl could pull off Man Down or No Love Allowed or even What's My Name.

This might be true.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Umbrella tbh

and maybe We Found Love

Thats probably as close as she has ever come imo.