andrewfee said:It's nothing to do with "deep colour" - televisions expect to work with a range of 16-235 from black to white. Monitors use 0-255.
Full range is 0-255, and "limited" range is 16-235. If a TV is doing what it should be, limited is the correct option.
If your display has the option to choose between "PC" levels (full range) and "Video" levels, then you would want 0-255 for both. If you're using full range on a display that does not expect full range over HDMI, you then completely lose shadow details, as pictured above.
TTP said:Same here. Hope they fix the "auto-disable" thing
It means that either:f@luS said:the only thing i can say for me is that
-with my 360 before the update it was washed out through vga
-I always though ps3 on hdmi was a little bright (but never though washed out), component was much more darker.
does that mean my tv sux and so this update rox for me?
Lain said:Finally was able to get TVersity to show on my PS3, but like some others, MP3s show up as unsupported and transoding videos doesn't seem to work? (PS3 kinda freezes).
TwonkyMedia works great for me for MP3s and the videos the PS3 supports, but no transcoding makes it sort of useless to me (most of my music is in a lossless format, most of my video are H264 highprofile or Dvix/Xvid).
I guess I'll keep using TwonkyMedia until something better gets pointed out.
andrewfee said:Here's a test for people to see whether or not their display supports the new full range option or not.
First, save this image, and put it on a memory card or something so that you can view it on the PS3:
http://sr-388.net/images/patterns/Brightness.jpg
With the option set to limited, adjust the brightness control on your TV until you can see most/all of the boxes. There are 12 boxes there, but you might not be able to see them all. You should hopefully be able to see at least 9/10 of them.
Now switch it over to Full range. Can you still see all the boxes? It's very likely that you will only see a full black screen now if you're using a HDTV rather than a DVI monitor.
If you can turn up the brightness control and see the same number of boxes again, then it seems your display does support the full range. If it stays black, or you can't see as many boxes as before, your TV does not support the full range option and you should be using limited.
Most HDTVs should have it set to limited.
gofreak said:Weirdly, mine disabled with a restart, but the option still said "full"...I immediately recognised it wasn't on though, it does look that different on my monitor. Had to change it back to limited, and then Full again.
Yea I've been running DD-WRT for a while now (almost a year I think) and it's a godsend. Make sure you change max ports to the max and TCP and UDP timeouts to something low (mine are 120). No real problems, using uTorrent is amazing after the change. Before, I tried port forwarding with the crap Linksys firmware and nothing worked.rc213 said:/me Takes a piss on Linksys WRT54/GS Stock firmware. Get DD-WRT, Tomato or HyperWRT running on those suckers. It's like a whole new router!
Imageshack sucks, please rehost it.Dot50Cal said:RE1 PS1!!
Left side NO UPSCALING, NO FILTERING
Right side UPSCALING, FILTERING
OMGOMGOMGOMG
andrewfee said:It means that either:
1 - Your display expects PC levels, rather than Video levels. This is not a bad thing, as long as the output from the device matches what the display is expecting.
YYZ said:Yea I've been running DD-WRT for a while now (almost a year I think) and it's a godsend. Make sure you change max ports to the max and TCP and UDP timeouts to something low (mine are 120). No real problems, using uTorrent is amazing after the change. Before, I tried port forwarding with the crap Linksys firmware and nothing worked.
It really depends. All the HDTVs I've owned have only expected video levels over HDMI had haven't supported PC. I would hope that if they support both the option is per-input.vdo said:So do displays that have this ability to display PC levels - is this something that is set per input to the display (do displays even allow per input settings)? For example, would you want to set the display to use PC levels only for something than can output that range, like PS3, and then for other equipement that is being connected to the display that does not output PC levels, would you want the display to be set to expecting the Video levels for those inputs only? Or as long as the display is set to expect PC levels, it does not matter whether the source is sending PC or Video levels?
just tested it through the ps3 browser.andrewfee said:It means that either:
1 - Your display expects PC levels, rather than Video levels. This is not a bad thing, as long as the output from the device matches what the display is expecting.
2 - You didn't have the brightness control set properly before.
3 - You don't care about shadow detail, and despite dark areas all merging to black, you prefer the picture this way anyway.
Try this to see which you should actually be using: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6518516&postcount=1450
Brightness on your display should be set as low as it can possibly go before the boxes start to disappear, and no lower than that.
Wow, thank you man, that was very helpful.andrewfee said:Here's a test for people to see whether or not their display supports the new full range option or not.
First, save this image, and put it on a memory card or something so that you can view it on the PS3:
http://sr-388.net/images/patterns/Brightness.jpg
With the option set to limited, adjust the brightness control on your TV until you can see most/all of the boxes. There are 12 boxes there, but you might not be able to see them all. You should hopefully be able to see at least 9/10 of them.
Now switch it over to Full range. Can you still see all the boxes? It's very likely that you will only see a full black screen now if you're using a HDTV rather than a DVI monitor.
If you can turn up the brightness control and see the same number of boxes again, then it seems your display does support the full range. If it stays black, or you can't see as many boxes as before, your TV does not support the full range option and you should be using limited.
Most HDTVs should have it set to limited.
andrewfee said:Here's a test for people to see whether or not their display supports the new full range option or not.
First, save this image, and put it on a memory card or something so that you can view it on the PS3:
http://sr-388.net/images/patterns/Brightness.jpg
With the option set to limited, adjust the brightness control on your TV until you can see most/all of the boxes. There are 12 boxes there, but you might not be able to see them all. You should hopefully be able to see at least 9/10 of them.
Now switch it over to Full range. Can you still see all the boxes? It's very likely that you will only see a full black screen now if you're using a HDTV rather than a DVI monitor.
If you can turn up the brightness control and see the same number of boxes again, then it seems your display does support the full range. If it stays black, or you can't see as many boxes as before, your TV does not support the full range option and you should be using limited.
Most HDTVs should have it set to limited.
Should be fine. My Toshiba only works with video levels, as it's not expecting PC, but even then I lose the top-left box.f@luS said:just tested it through the ps3 browser.
With full hdmi, with 50 brightness setting , i can almost see all of them (but 2 are kinda hard , up/left corner), it should be ok then ?
Good to know. Full range is always best to use if you have the option of displaying it properly though.beermonkey@tehbias said:As I expected, it makes zero difference (in terms of losing shadow detail, or even a change in the overall balance) on my Pioneer. I noticed a while back that the Pio plasmas automatically adjust for PC levels via VGA, so I'm not surprised that it does the same for HDMI.
Suikoguy said:I'm wondering if the DNLA issues are related to the software, and not the PS3. Time will tell.
Regardless, great update
for WMP11:MercuryLS said:Can anyone tell me how to stream files to the PS3?
don't thank me, thank jasonps3 at psi-next .On your PC go into WM11 and go into Tools, and then Options. Go to the Library Tab and Select Configure Sharing. If your PS3 is on, An Unknown Device Thumbnail should be there. Select it and Press the Allow Button. Remember, the PS3 won't play media that it doesn't support...yet.
andrewfee said:Good to know. Full range is always best to use if you have the option of displaying it properly though.
I have no idea - it seems to be DVD/BluRay playback related, but I can't see any difference on or off.bluheim said:Now, what is that "super white" option ?
Sweet, this looks so much better now.andrewfee said:Should be fine. My Toshiba only works with video levels, as it's not expecting PC, but even then I lose the top-left box.
Good to know. Full range is always best to use if you have the option of displaying it properly though.
There really isn't much difference between the two, it's more important to have the correct one for what your display is expecting than supporting full range or not.
Dizzan said:Been at uni all day.
Downloading now
Sony is on fire at the moment. They are addressing almost every issue people have had with the consoleand it's only 7 months in
Less and less for people to bitch about......... now to just get that prics down......
AgentOtaku said:.....o m g
....I ****ing dare....DARE someone to have a look at what this GLORIOUS UPDATE DID TO DQ8
As a general rule, you want to turn brightness right up and see what the most boxes you can see is. After that, you then want to turn brightness down until the last box disappears, and then back up a notch so that you can just make it out. With some TVs you might have to compromise, and decide that maybe the 3rd box from the left is a better option, as it will give you better blacks, and doesn't throw away much shadow detail.MickeyKnox said:Sweet, this looks so much better now.
Hey can I ask you what you think I should set my brightness/contrast levels to? Like how close to disappearing should the top/leftmost box be? right now I can barely make it out if I really look for it but the one next to it is pretty easy to distinguish. Should I go lighter or darker?
You're best using full if you can see all the boxes on it. It should, in theory at least, give you slightly smoother gradients.Bebpo said:So is it better to use limited or full if you can see all the boxes in both?
Using that brightness pic I can see all the boxes on limited at +40 and all the boxes on full at +52.
Are the two settings identical at their specific values or does full get better color or anything as well?
andrewfee said:I have no idea - it seems to be DVD/BluRay playback related, but I can't see any difference on or off.
Barakov said:Rogue Galaxy looks like sex now. I hate to do this but............
*BOWS TO SONY*
Also what is this Super White option for? What should I be looking for in terms of IQ difference with it enabled?andrewfee said:You're best using full if you can see all the boxes on it. It should, in theory at least, give you slightly smoother gradients.