BoboBrazil
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Supposed to be very easy to be patched with firmware.
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PS3 USB Jigkick confirmed real
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That's my point.charlequin said:
In a situation like this, it doesn't matter whether someone in Sony's position is right or its wrong. If they're going after small shops and distributors (or, hypothetically, individual users), they win by default. The Australian shops were actually in a much better position legal position that their US counterparts would be given the lack of a DMCA-equivalent, but they folded the second the complaint arrived.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Rhindle said:
... Because they're a distributor and are SELLING an item that can be used for piracy. Also, you better believe that if Sony did come after an individual there would be many attorneys willing to go pro-bono for the case to defend the individual.
charlequin
Banned
Rhindle said:
Your point was to try to sound imposing and threatening in service to distant, shadowy overlords, but then to fail at doing so?
To try to be more direct here, no one cares what kind of ominous threats you can conjure up here because the very idea of Sony suing individual customers based on message board posting is utterly ludicrous. It's like trying to tell people in an oooh ominous voice "I wouldn't post on NeoGAF admitting you drove over the speed limit if I were you."
SuperAwesome
Member
I don't think I saw this posted...
" While many people that have received their sample and sent it off to cloners....we sent ours to a well known homebrew developer. The developer we picked showed us various homebrew applications that he had already developed for ps3 dev units, that he wants to port over to retail units. Yes, PS3 homebrew is real and will start flowing through at a steady rate as soon as next week."
" While many people that have received their sample and sent it off to cloners....we sent ours to a well known homebrew developer. The developer we picked showed us various homebrew applications that he had already developed for ps3 dev units, that he wants to port over to retail units. Yes, PS3 homebrew is real and will start flowing through at a steady rate as soon as next week."
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
SuperAwesome said:
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Zoe said:
Perhaps its a legit dev who also has produced homebrew on other devices?
charlequin
Banned
Rhindle said:
Cool, cool. No worries then. I agree that we are wasting our time and almost all of us (clearly including myself now) have made arguments that are irrelevant at this stage. :lol
In that case, I honestly agree with the point that one's own view of the legality or lack thereof of this sort of thing is kind of irrelevant, it's just also not all that likely to be tested unless you are planning on going into business selling it or you start accepting cash bets from other GAF posters about any future legal proceedings.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Chrange said:
Please let us know if he finds anything interesting about it.
BoboBrazil
Member
Can't wait to see the homebrew apps
Rhindle said:
Do you actually know about P2P law suits? Sony has to bride Evilord to get my ip from him. Any they has to go through Time Warner Cable to get my actual name and address. By that time usually Time Warner tell they to fuck off because TWC has a very small quota on how much P2P case they answer per week, which has been filled up by IRAA already. Even by the act of miracle they get to my address, Sony still can't prove shit because there are more than 3 people using the same modem here. So STFU about your theory.
BoboBrazil
Member
Brazil said:
Anyways
ConsoleWinkel.nl managed to talk with PSjailbreak guys:
PSjailbreak is legal and contains no copyright code, thats what the makers of the device are claiming. In a conversation forwarded to us, a Dutch retailer reveals that the creators of the device are insisting that Sony is just using scare tactics to try and make people think twice before selling it. Moreover the creators are claiming that the device was primarily produced for homebrew on the PS3 console. Keep reading to check out the transcript, some names have been blanked out.
Precedent says it can even be patented...Stumpokapow said:
But I disgress, content copyrights are difficult to uphold based solely on comparing digital content, as it's far too easy to losslessly transform it into unidentifiable forms, without modifying the intent (eg. piracy).
Of course proving the intent may be even harder, no matter how obvious it may look...
phosphor112
Banned
In all honesty, I'm always completely torn on these matters.
I want amazing homebrew, but those things ALWAYS lead to someone copyrighting something, and I just can't stand for that.
After all, I am going to school to develop games.
I want amazing homebrew, but those things ALWAYS lead to someone copyrighting something, and I just can't stand for that.
After all, I am going to school to develop games.
Sony had the chance to do it right. But they've decided otherwise,phosphor112 said:
unfortunately. Instead of supporting the OtherOS, they've killed it
altogether. lol A fully supported OtherOS (incl. RSX) from the get-go and
there would be no argument for hacking the PS3 in bringing homebrew onto
the PS3. Whoever sits there at Sony having done this dick move in removing
the OtherOS will now have to face the consequences. There you go ...
motherfukkas!
I'm pretty sure that PSJailbreak is directly related to the OtherOS issue and
the lack of homebrew on the PS3. Since Sony has removed the OtherOS from the
Slim people became interested in hacking it. No? And with its entire removal
it only took half a year until the system was hacked. No? I think Sony never
thought it would happen since the system was secure for about three years.
Yeah, it was secure because no one was really trying.
So what's the cost in fixing all the sh!t, paying the lawyers, and taking
a possible loss due to piracy? What was the cost of the OtherOS again?
"But but but it cost us money and we have security concerns" am cry.
Ah c'mon, gimme a break!
marathonfool
Member
Keeping OtherOS would not have stopped this hack.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Zoe said:
The way other homebrew devs get units? Usually buying them secondhand from developers looking to get rid of a few.
A better question is: why do you care? Does it really matter?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Belfast said:
As reported, one of the first clones will be sold for $50-60.
Yenrot said:
No. The price of the Xbox 360 and Wii's hardware and software hasn't been effected by their respective piracy and homebrew, neither will the PS3.
PetriP-TNT
Member
Really? Gimme some links or something to back thismissile said:
Peterthumpa
Member
Was thinking exactly the same.Brazil said:
Not kidding.
BoboBrazil
Member
The shell code is out http://www.ps3exploits.com/2010/08/ps-jailbreak-shell-code/
http://www.ps3exploits.com/2010/08/ps-jailbreak-shell-code/So, now peoplo can write software to exploit the Ps3 using this code?BoboBrazil said:The shell code is out
Machado said:
Uruguay here, and this is probably true. I mean this will certainly get more consoles out there, pirates rejoice. But seriously, it would take like a year or so until this thing becomes truly worth it for them right ? i mean there are no 40gb ps3 .isos on the web as far as i know, it will take some time, i think everyone just went for the 360 in this regard and they just dont care anymore.
plasmasd
Member
BoboBrazil said:The shell code is out
When I opened that site I had multiple "Congragulations, you won" yelling at me a the same time
phosphor112
Banned
missile said:
I think you're just trying to justify hacking the PS3. You know software piracy destroys lots of companies. Sony's income has been mainly from software, so killing any form of "hacks" is completely legitimate as a business standpoint. They don't have the luxury of companies like Nintendo, which make a killing on both software and hardware.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
phosphor112 said:
Actually, nobody needs to justify hacking the PS3 because doing so isn't illegal, nor should it be seen as immoral. Piracy? Yes. We have had this conversation throughout the entire thread and perhaps I'm mistaken but it seems that you're arguing that this hack shouldn't be allowed because it will lead for many to use it for piracy. Am I misreading you?
phosphor112
Banned
Machado said:
True, but it's a business choice, just as protecting themselves from software piracy.
Rainier said:Hope you're not planning on using any Windows programs while developing, MS is always being sued for copyright violations, so odds are you're helping the pirates win just by using a Microsoft OS.
Well, I'm not using a Mac =P. I use a lot of 3DS and Maya. I also use the Valve Hammer Editor and UDK often... so no Mac for me.
LovingSteam said:
I didn't say the hack was illegal, though it very well can be, if copyrighted code was used. Homebrew, I really love, but like I said, it opens up to piracy. Should companies be allowed to shoot down homebrew because of potential (and inevitable) piracy? Yes. It's their right, and I'm sure lots of companies would like Sony to make sure their games don't get copied, or at least remove online for those who use illegal backups.
Back to being really torn. I'd love to be able to encode full HD videos using my PS3, and expand my media server capabilities with Homebrew. =/
BoboBrazil
Member
plasmasd said:
Sorry, I use Firefox with Adblock Plus and I didn't see any ads??
BoboBrazil said:The shell code is out
Looks like an original exploit. Good luck Sony in trying to extend that Aussie injunction :lol
BoboBrazil
Member
Eiji said:
Yep, they are just doing this as a scare tactic and they tried to confiscate stock the distributors had, since they were saying they would have them Friday and they put out the injuction Friday, but they didn't know it was delayed so their plan backfired. Shit, Ozmodchips didn't even have their demo unit anymore, they sent it to a homebrew developer:lol