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PSP 3000 street date broken (so's the screen, lol)
- Thread starter Ermac
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Yeah, I'm pretty pissed by Sony's formal and public evasion. But I suspect that there might be a stealth-fix in later production runs. Either way I'm waiting for the piano black model to hit, which I think is in late November for us here in the US. We'll see.
Mr. Wonderful
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Color, actually, IIRC.Schrade said:
I'm sure that the scanlines problem will be solved in the units produced after the holday season. It's a hardware problem and they knew about it, they probably accepted it to save money but if people complain they will be forced to fix it in the future by changing the screen again.
Hmm. Looks like Sony may be trying to fix the issue sooner than we thought. Apparently they are canceling pre-orders for the black 3000 entertainment bundle on Amazon:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=psp&thread.id=3401928
Just checked Amazon, it's not listed on their site anymore either.
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=psp&thread.id=3401928
Just checked Amazon, it's not listed on their site anymore either.
LOLZ Update: http://psp.ign.com/articles/922/922316p1.html
That about wraps it up for my PSP-3000 purchase. Good job Sony.
That about wraps it up for my PSP-3000 purchase. Good job Sony.
Metalmurphy
Member
We've known that for quite some time now
Jazzy Network
Member
Lol. PSP-2000 w/ CFW ftw!
That doesn't mean they won't revise the hardware. All they specify is that there won't be any software updates to fix the issue. So if you've got a new 3000, don't expect a firmware upgrade to solve the problem. The response is typical PR speak: a non-committal statement that explains the criticism and tries to paint it in a more flattering light. But they don't flat out deny the problem, or that they're working on a hardware solution in upcoming models.
duckroll said:LOLZ Update: http://psp.ign.com/articles/922/922316p1.html
That about wraps it up for my PSP-3000 purchase. Good job Sony.
you would at least expect an mod to read thread before posting, you know, things that get us regulars banned... how about reading what Jim wrote on previous page of this thread.
IBuyEveryGame
Banned
My PSP 3000 is wonderful, I couldnt be happier.
I've tried a handful of newer games out, and yes i can see the interlacing. you really have to get things moving and look for it, comparing the same games on older PSP models it seems that the interlacing must've been the trade-off for ghosting and the new black levels.... it's still insanely puzzling why the LCD would interlace to begin with (would it have anything to do with outputting to non-progressive displays??)
still the new screen is very nice, and interlacing nowhere near as bad as the ghosting is. but damn, i really wish sony would get on the ball with this one .... the new screen is without a doubt the best, but still ... for a handheld that is known for it's screen quality, you'd think we'd have the be-all-end-all of PSP screens by now
still the new screen is very nice, and interlacing nowhere near as bad as the ghosting is. but damn, i really wish sony would get on the ball with this one .... the new screen is without a doubt the best, but still ... for a handheld that is known for it's screen quality, you'd think we'd have the be-all-end-all of PSP screens by now
As I'm sure Sony was aware of this while shipping the 3000, it could be that the problem is not caused by the LCD screen, but rather the GPU inside of the PSP. That's one part of the hardware they can't really change. The scanlines may very well be there on the 1000 and 2000 too, but since the screen is of lower quality, we don't see them.
That said, the scanline effect is nowhere near as the bad as the ghosting on previous models. The issue has really been overblown, tbh.
I swear I've seen this same artifact on other portable devices. I was playing around with some stuff on an iPod Touch recently and there is a very similar effect present. It does indeed resemble poor de-interlacing. I suppose I'm not surprised that the issue would crop up on the new PSP. :\ Perhaps it has something to do with the way such thing screens are manufactured? I mean, if similar portable devices with very slim bodies have similar issues, perhaps they are all related in some fashion?
I was considering upgrading as I never picked up a PSP-2000, but I dunno, I'll have to see this is person to see if it bothers me. I mean, unlike the iPhone/iPod Touch, the PSP is a dedicated gaming machine and will see much faster motion more often. Most of the games I've played on the Apple portable run at low framerates and feature little motion. A high-speed 60 fps PSP game seems far more likely to demonstrate the flaws.
I was considering upgrading as I never picked up a PSP-2000, but I dunno, I'll have to see this is person to see if it bothers me. I mean, unlike the iPhone/iPod Touch, the PSP is a dedicated gaming machine and will see much faster motion more often. Most of the games I've played on the Apple portable run at low framerates and feature little motion. A high-speed 60 fps PSP game seems far more likely to demonstrate the flaws.
sevenchaos
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Region free? What? You can play games from anywhere on your DS. You've been able to do this from day one.zoukka said:
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
loosus said:
Damn dude, here is hoping it gets fixed.
Segata Sanshiro
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It sacrifices gaming advantages (GBA slot, longer battery life) for multimedia features (music playback, a shitty digital camera), something Nintendo fans used to mock the PSP for.jrricky said:
I have a PSP with a newly installed screen since 4 or 5 months before the 2000 came out.
hoped the 2000 was what i was looking for, tried it, WORSE screen than the one on my 1000.
Saw the 3000 announcement, hoping that one was what i was looking for.. nope, the fucked it again.
To all PSP buyers, unless that RAM thingy extra or microphone is absolutely necessary to you, just buy a cheap 1000, change the screen with an improved one or try finding a 1000 model which has an improved screen.
There are some out there, i think the last 1000 models before the 2000 came out had one of those better screens (that actually has close to NO ghosting like mine).
hoped the 2000 was what i was looking for, tried it, WORSE screen than the one on my 1000.
Saw the 3000 announcement, hoping that one was what i was looking for.. nope, the fucked it again.
To all PSP buyers, unless that RAM thingy extra or microphone is absolutely necessary to you, just buy a cheap 1000, change the screen with an improved one or try finding a 1000 model which has an improved screen.
There are some out there, i think the last 1000 models before the 2000 came out had one of those better screens (that actually has close to NO ghosting like mine).
To me, usually retro means something good, something from the past you want to keep warm within you heart. But this, No. This is just freakin stupid and i don't want to have to deal with scanlines ever again!marwan said:
Poimandres
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yurinka said:
The PSP2000 is leagues ahead of the original in terms of the overall feel of the unit. Plus, the 1000's d-pad is borderline unusable and much improved by the 2000.
2000>1000 without question.
Ermac said:
This recall is now confirmed to be that the 4GB memory stick bundle is being cancelled.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/10/27/psp-3000-update/
Poimandres said:
I wouldn't say it quite like that. The last units of the 1000 series have all the flaws corrected that it had in the beginning. The dpad problems that you are talking about were corrected in later units, as was the screen (nearly no ghosting and definitely the best of the 3 model variations now that we know the 3000 has scanline issues).
I'm not sure if they put in a bigger battery as well, but it last longer than the 2000 or the 3000 anyway.
The 2000 has TV-out and extra RAM, but that's all. The screen has the same horrid ghosting issues that the first units of the 1000 models had. A lot of people also prefer the shape of the 1000, even though it's heavier.
That's why i would say that getting a recent 1000 model is the most reasonable option, screen wise, battery-wise and maybe even ergonomically depending on your taste.
But as soon as they fix the scanline issues, the 3000 is the PSP to get. Now if only Sony would listen to it's consumers, or at least if the technicians do and sneak up a solution secretly hehe
What we will probably see is that some clever dude will work around or find a hack to the problem before sony does, like most of the time when consumers get ignored by big-ass companies like sony or nintendo.
Hacking the 3000, it begins!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BKpS3aBJmE0
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zSN713LYt7A
what a crazy guy, going so far to change the whole CPU !
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BKpS3aBJmE0
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zSN713LYt7A
what a crazy guy, going so far to change the whole CPU !
i've got one of these:Fafalada said:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3217
Nothing to do with luck here, put in a new screen because i couldn't stand the ghosting.
In that case you should clarify to people to buy a hw-modded PSP (or do it themselves) rather then cryptically suggest there were retail units with no-ghosting screens available.Yoschi said:
That said, I'm curious how does that screen compare in terms of other things like color reproduction, contrast, brightness, power drain. The last one isn't a real issue for me, but the others are, I'm not interested in ghosting free screen if it comes with badly muted contrast, obscene view angle issues or something along those lines.
Firestreak
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I bought a new PSP 1000 a month before the 2000 came out, it was like RIGHT before the announcement. I have no complaints but I've never actually used another PSP to compare it against. The screen I think is great, but I wish I had TV out. Maybe I'd trade it for a couple PS3 or Xbox 360 games and get a new 3000 when they work the kinks out.
Fafalada said:
If you read my previous post, i said:
Yoschi said:
And i know for sure that there are 1000 model units that have screens with a lot less ghosting than previous units, i've seen quite a few and had one of them for 2 weeks or so.
Fafalada said:
Unfortunately i don't have the money to buy all units and make side by side comparison pics and don't know anyone that has a 2000 or a 3000.
All i can tell you is that the screen that i have has nothing less than any of the original ones. This is the best screen as far as 1000 screens can go.
I did have a 2000 for a while but i went to get my money back because i thought 169 GBP is no way worth a worse screen, less battery life, extra RAM and TV-out.