CoyoteSpitfire
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Maybe we should all drop our self awareness and speak without thought, You first.
You seem to have gotten a head start on that.
Maybe we should all drop our self awareness and speak without thought, You first.
Maybe we should all drop our self awareness and speak without thought, You first.
Self-censorship is the act of censoring or classifying one's own blog, book, film, or other forms of media. This is done out of fear of, or deference to, the sensibilities or preferences (actual or perceived) of others and without overt pressure from any specific party or institution of authority.
Oh come on, I saw a person get called out for having an H-Game avatar because their avatar is Saber. Another person responded seriously to the R. Mika Burka picture was "another disingenuous argument". I'd say most people don't want to see the change, aren't particularly mad about it, but are make jokes for fun.
Self-censorship is still censorship.
You can call it self-censorship if you are also willing to call the other thousands of decisions that go into developing a game self-censorship. There are dozens of voices on that design team and they all have different opinions on Art, Design, and Gameplay. In the process of hashing things out, countless ideas are left behind. That's how you make things.
Claim? I'm just playing devil's advocate. This is why there are question marks in my post, I am asking YOU. Since you seemed to know something.Substantiate your own claims first.
You think it's unbelievable for devs to make something one way, then change their mind later and redo it? I wonder what games would look like if everyone ran with their first draft on everything.Source? You sure this dev who animated da booty turned around and all of a sudden said, "hey lets completely hide all the work I did animating dat booty"?
Or was it a higher up under pressure, or something else? Source? Info? Pls?
Haha yeah, the majority of people are probably not happy with the change and having a laugh. There are plenty of posts like that, like mine for example. There are some people who are legitimately mad about it.
God, fucking look at you. Why did I even try?
More than one person is working on SFV.
I'm not the one debating semantics here.
Nah, I like silliness in Street Fighter. But since we're making assumptions I'll go ahead and say the disappointment is not because Street Fighter's goofy fun nature is under attack. I think you can guess why people are actually mad about it.
Is any act of editing self censorship? Again, do you have any idea how many things get changes/cut in game development? It's constant triage. That's how it works.
Claim? I'm just playing devil's advocate. This is why there are question marks in my post, I am asking YOU. Since you seemed to know something.
Right? You know something? <---question marks.
Capcom has always been SJW!PC mods will come to the rescue, dont worry. This isnt a Nintendo game.
But see it as something positive. SFV will target now children, just like SF2. It will be more popular. They wouldnt even dare enter arcades 20 years ago.
Console versions of SF2 were heavily edited with removal of blood, bruises, quotes and puke. They even replaced Mike in the intro with a blonde white guy so as to not stir Afroamericans.
Again, your assertion was that many posters aren't actually angry at the changes, they're just having a laugh. That lamentations are not serious at all.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to gauge this if I can't take their posts at face value and can't ask them if they're joking or not. That's rather a non-starter situation, right?
I didn't notice her true love I've failed her...
Describe the backlash or danger you imagine Capcom would face if this change did not take place.
I'm not a Street Fighter fan but this R. Mika has the worst character design I've seen in a while. lol
You think it's unbelievable for devs to make something one way, then change their mind later and redo it? I wonder what games would look like if everyone ran with their first draft on everything.
It says actual or perceived right there. I don't think they'd face any danger and I'm sure if they do, it would be super mild.
So why argue the change, if the so called act of 'censorship' is born out of no real harm?
Somebody pressed the Share button while she was slapping her ass for them and then shared it on the interwebs and now she's terrified to slap her ass so you have to win her trust. It won't be easy, but easy love is cheap love. Butt Slap Love Earned Through Trust is Best Love.
So even if the decision is made to avoid some public censure it's still not self censorship because they're just going with the majority opinion (obviously why else would they do it) and that's all part of the creative process. So there really isn't any self-censorship at all?
I'm aware of that, but what i'm saying is that someone wanted it removed, and it wasn't the person who made it. It's basically censorship, and I really don't care for arguing semantics right now.
I don't know what's more ridiculous that you actually think posting like that is in good faith or that you're tolerated making posts like this because everyone else thinks you're posting in good faith. It was just such an obvious piss take. You can't demonstrate that the majority of people are actually upset so in the most over the top way you cup your hands and go "HEY GUYS", you might as well have just called me an idiot for daring to disagree with you on the tone of the thread.
If you are making a game and one of your devs suggests something that doesn't fit with your vision of what the game needs to be, then you fix it. And your idea of what the game needs to be is, itself, a moving target. It's far too fluid to point at a single instance and pin down what it means. When I sit down to write a poem, I will self-censor it hundreds of times. When I am working on a game my partner and I are constantly hashing things out. We are trying to make a thing that people will enjoy. We are trying to create a specific mood, a specific feel.
In this case the original decision to put the buttslap in was inherently also an act of (the dreaded) self-censorship. All of the other things that could have happened there were set aside. Every single thing in a game is the result of conscious effort. It's all intentional. Focusing on one instance and then trying to extrapolate an entire narrative when you don't know anything about what is actually going on in that studio is completely fruitless.
No, it's compromise. Which is the only way that games get made. Games aren't birthed fully formed.
I don't have to guess because I know what it is. They took out a few service shots, I don't see why they had to be removed in particular. It fits the tone of the game with the outfits and all.
Make it happen Capcom
I'm not arguing the change, I'm arguing the definition of self-censorship which people can't seem to wrap their head around.
I'm not arguing the change, I'm arguing the definition of self-censorship which people can't seem to wrap their head around.
No, it's compromise. Which is the only way that games get made. Games aren't birthed fully formed.
Are you really going to pretend you can't tell the "preorder cancelled" and "dream is dead" posts don't represent blistering anger? Like do you really need this point that bad that you have to act like you don't understand the simplest facets of humor on a site you apparently like a lot?I'm really not sure we can have a conversation online if I'm not taking your statements at face value. I mean, do I assume you're joking now? Is this sarcasm? Are you serious? I assume you are, but if your assertion is true, I can't make that assumption.
Do you realize this happens all the time? Tons of elements get discarded before a game goes gold.The animation is gone. That's not compromise. Someone told them that it had to be out and that was that.
The animation is gone. That's not compromise. Someone told them that it had to be out and that was that.
Are you really going to pretend you can't tell the "preorder cancelled" and "dream is dead" posts don't represent blistering anger? Like do you really need this point that bad that you have to act like you don't understand the simplest facets of humor on a site you apparently like a lot?
Also I'm completely serious, your shtick has wore thin.
Booty Back DLC Pack incoming.
Both sides are ending up with these long-winded 8 page posts on both sides trying to explain why the other is more outrageous and problematic than the other.
But all these tangents are taking away from the discussion; let's get on topic here:
We love the booty
They took away the booty
We need the booty back.
SAVE US ITAGAKI
Fucking retarded
They should just remove the women altogether so theres no hint of female sexualization.
Completely unreasonable, i didn't find many people offended by it.
What the actual fuck. This is some straight up bullshit right here.
Fuck
Bring it back Capcom.
Sadly this is expected in this PC world of ours, can't afford to hurt anyones feelings. Sucks.
Nice.At least the Cammy change is good, old angle looked awkward.
Mika angle change is... unfortunate, butwhatever.t
A few service shots is hardly anything you should give a shit about getting in a fighting game. And it really, really doesn't matter at all.
The animation is gone. That's not compromise. Someone told them that it had to be out and that was that.
Yeah i'm well aware. Just saying that it's prob not compromise.Do you realize this happens all the time? Tons of elements get discarded before a game goes gold.
I'm assuming capcom wants it out because they think it might offend someone, as we don't have an official statement on it. If i'm wrong i'm wrong, but I don't think I am.Do you know the explicit reason for the removal of the said content?
What I don't understand is... Why is the split a bad thing?
Do you realize this happens all the time? Tons of elements get discarded before a game goes gold.
Do you know the explicit reason for the removal of the said content?
Are you really going to pretend you can't tell the "preorder cancelled" and "dream is dead" posts don't represent blistering anger? Like do you really need this point that bad that you have to act like you don't understand the simplest facets of humor on a site you apparently like a lot?
Also I'm completely serious, your shtick has wore thin.
I can take or leave the Cammy crotch shot, but the Mika butt slap gives a sense of levity to the character. Then before I know it Vega doesn't lick his claws anymore!?
But this is perfectly fine people!
Jesus.
Yeah i'm well aware. Just saying that it's prob not compromise.
I'm assuming capcom wants it out because they think it might offend someone, as we don't have an official statement on it. If i'm wrong i'm wrong, but I don't think I am.
There's a difference between a dev removing something because it doesn't fit the game and a dev removing something because they don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities.
I refuse to believe it's the latter, the girls are still super skimpy and the angles still focus on their anatomy for the most part. Look at Laura's intro, lol.There's a difference between a dev removing something because it doesn't fit the game and a dev removing something because they don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities.