MikeM
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Whole new dev kit just for IO? Doubtful.
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Rumor mill - New Xbox Devkits in Korea
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Otherwise they'd have to keep manufacturing the old one. MS might just want to manufacture one motherboard going forward, so they'd have to certify the new one. There could also be some edge cases which a developer might need to test against. It could be you need the newer wireless specs to get some of the features of the new rumored controller for instance, so devs need a newer dev kit to make sure lift to wake or whatever doesn't crash their game.
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geary
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That year is incorrect. An unforgiveable mistake from the people who redacted the document. It should have been 2098. Only fake news on the internet..
So much for the '2027' deadline.
I/O was the most important change this generation & you doubt they would upgrade the devkits when they upgrade Brooklyn? Lol
MikeM
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Why would you upgrade IO when that is not the console’s problem?
MikeM
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Apparently the Series consoles were using the Xbox One southbridge. I’m not a dev so no idea if a new SDK is required for that hardware component. Couldn’t imagine being told to buy new SDKs because of it unless MS paid for the upgrades themselves.Ask Microsoft
Audiophile
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There's a secret TeraByte of ESRAM and an NPU in the
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Insane Metal
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But... is it adorably all digital?
Topher
Gold Member
Why would a slim model of a console need a dev kit?
//DEVIL//
Member
Because they do not know how to update the old devkit over internet to accommodate the new SKU.
March Climber
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baphomet
Member
Because that's how it works.
SoloCamo
Member
With the success of the SteamDeck I wouldn't be surprised if this goes that route. MS is always reactionary, just like most oversized companies. A windows based handheld from a company the console / general consumers know could do quite well and current AMD APU's are definitely great for it.
MS is in a tough spot -
-PC players aren't going to jump ship to one of their consoles (many already have pc's that are more powerful than what next gen will probably even offer)
-Sony has clearly won this generation
-Nintendo has the kid friendly games on lock down
-Gamepass isn't the bread & butter it was supposed to be
At this point I don't know what direction they could take but an "adult" version of something like a Switch could really take off.
MS is in a tough spot -
-PC players aren't going to jump ship to one of their consoles (many already have pc's that are more powerful than what next gen will probably even offer)
-Sony has clearly won this generation
-Nintendo has the kid friendly games on lock down
-Gamepass isn't the bread & butter it was supposed to be
At this point I don't know what direction they could take but an "adult" version of something like a Switch could really take off.
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Topher
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How do you know that is how it works?
baphomet
Member
Do you actually know anything about Xbox dev kits?
Topher
Gold Member
Not a thing. Why do you think I am asking questions?
Do you actually know anything about Xbox dev kits?
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baphomet
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You're asking how I know that's how it works.
Because that's how it works. Microsoft make dev kits for every model of console they have.
You want an original Xbox 360 dev kit? They made them. 360 slim dev kit? Made them too. How about the 360 slim E? Yup, also dev kits for those. Xbox One? They're out there. One S? you guessed it, they made them. One X? Sure enough, they made them.
??? I think MS didn't do such a thing last generation for example. Only switches to a new devkit in the form of XBO X (with double the VRAM) which it can covered the developments of XBO, XBO S and XBO X.
Previously (to Scorpio) the developments for XBO S were carried out under the old XBO devkit (somewhat less powerful) and that is why you could see previous games with several extra fps compared to the original XBO and even the devkit itself.
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Negotiator101
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You're privy to new hardware Heisenberg right? 2025/26 was mentioned by you. Is the timescale about right for giving developers enough time to target the specs? Just curious how long before release of a next-gen console do developers usually get the target specs?
Topher
Gold Member
Eh.....nevermind man. You don't seem to understand that "because that's how it works" is basically the same thing as saying "trust me bro".
I was genuinely curious which is why I was asking, but your answers tell me you don't really know either way.
baphomet
Member
Well, I never heard of it. It was always said that you could develop any version of XBO (XBO, XBO s and XBO x) through the same Scorpio Devkit. I guess they renewed the devKits in the space until the release of XBO X?Yes they did.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Correct I was told MS was looking hard into what they could produce for a late 2025 early 2026 launch of a next gen Xbox.
They were doing enough work that Kepler saw things in his data mining that lead him to believe the same thing as he Tweeted as such
That said I would think your closest first party devs would know specs pretty far out as devs had the PS5 Pro first kits some 6 months ago
This feels different though, would they push out a new dev kit in Korea or something totally new?
Would it need new dev kits for even the FTC leak refresh?
Spencer publicly said that plans had changed regarding those leaked documents.... It would be very funny if in the end nothing had changed and everything had stayed exactly the same. It would be one more example to add to the continuous contradictions of recent times
I think it could be anything. Perhaps the new controller and its functionalities require a renewed Devkit?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I think those plans changed a lot from those slides.Spencer publicly said that plans had changed regarding those leaked documents.... It would be very funny if in the end nothing had changed and everything had stayed exactly the same. It would be one more example to add to the continuous contradictions of recent times
I think it could be anything. Perhaps the new controller and its functionalities require a renewed Devkit?
The issue is knowing in what aspect it has changed. We all can thinks that a revision of XSX is something that is puré logic. It is an obligation to save costs to create these revisions. These will always exist.
That is, what would make the plan "different" is if there was another type of different hardware (whether handlead or XS Pro) in the period of time described. XSX "slim" was always going to be a reality.
Then. When Sarah Bond talked about guaranteeing to offer "the biggest graphical leap ever seen" for the NextXBOX it does not match hardware that could be launched in 2025-26. Mainly because in that time you will only have the same games as PS5 and XSeries at a higher resolution or RT.
Anyway, I think that if these DevKits are already reaching developers, it will be a matter of little time before it is leaked what they are about.
Salty Popsicle
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Aren't these slides from first half of 2022? A lot could have changed since then.Ask Microsoft
King Dazzar
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I assume any implementation of haptics on new controllers, would be a simple software update. And the refreshes were meant to be shelved. or are they? But then there was Bond's recent holiday season hardware comment. But that was worded more like news, rather than release.
Topher
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One S and One X dev kits make sense to me since there were spec changes in both, albeit minor changes in One S. But even then, if we look at that picture it is just a stock One S with a special cover. I googled a bit and seems the One X looks more like a dev kit one would expect:
UltimaKilo
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Could be a die shrink to bring down manufacturing costs as well.
A lot has changed but we don't know exactly what has changed
One S and One X dev kits make sense to me since there were spec changes in both, albeit minor changes in One S. But even then, if we look at that picture it is just a stock One S with a special cover. I googled a bit and seems the One X looks more like a dev kit one would expect:
It is true, XBO S presented new hardware compared to XBO. On the other hand, currently there is only one model or form of DevKit for XSS and is already significantly superior in specs to XSX.
I don't know, it could be anything. Whatever it is, it will surely be leaked in a short time as it will already reach developers.
Nah. A $10 or whatever cost reduction per die going 7nm->6nm is completely irrelevant for a dev kit.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
No way they release a handheld earlier than the next Xbox IMHO. I think it would be a huge mistake unless it’s a portal like device to stream cloud and local Xbox games. Not sure why a devout would be needed for that?
Could it be a devkit for a new variant of windows for handhelds? I know there working on a new os for gaming maybe this is part of it??
S0ULZB0URNE
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Incoming.....
splattered
Member
Ask Microsoft
I mean if they don't release an actual Pro or SX2 within the next year or two i will probably buy a couple of these
intbal
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Bernoulli
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what if they made a pro that no one knows about for 2025
Calverz
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Slim? I don’t think so. They don’t need a slim variant. Both systems are small enough and well engineered. Unless you mean the discless series x? I wouldn’t regard that as a ‘slim’ model as I think it was more or less same size as current series x.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Thats always possible but literally no one is talking about it even people who would likely know
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ask Microsoft
The "sustainability" thing there just seems like they're going to reconfigure things to be more energy efficient. I, honestly, don't see why they would need to change / upgrade I/O systems for just a design refresh.
yurinka
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The only thing I know for sure is that this Series X Pro will Flop hard.
I think it would be smarter to don't release any new Xbox home console and instead just make a PC handheld that would have exactly the same specs than Xbox Series S.
Something that I think makes more sense and I think they are working on it.
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