metalslimer
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No BC would make this a no go.
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Rumor: New PS4 details from PSM3 Magazine.
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revolverjgw
Member
60fps standard AHAHAHAHAHAHAH no
NekoFever
Member
I love how every generation people say the next gen will run everything at 60fps when it's blatantly obvious that it won't because most developers will trade frame rate for other graphical flourishes and settle for 30. We'll have better-looking games that run at the same crappy frame rates.
Why are people claiming this? Losing PS2 BC didn't exactly kill the PS3. Just like many people this generation, next generation you'll just have to keep/pick up a cheap PS3 to continue to play those games.
It may be a dumb move, an unsatisfactory move, unpopular, but not at all an economcally disasterous one.
giancarlo123x
Banned
No BC is probably true, I wasn't going to sell my PS3 so I don't mind it personally. Also everytime a new console comes out it includes that stupid rumor that it wont play used games. I can't see that happening.
Every single realistic spec rumour we had so far points to no (traditional, there's still the streaming option) BC.
I think we're in a different climate that the PS2 to PS3 era. Plunking down $400 for ostensibly a "PS4" and not able to play PS3 games on it is ridiculous. Especially with all the PS3 games PS+ dishes out. I think there would be outrage if people fired up their PS+ on their shiny new expensive ass PS4 to find out the games don't work. They have the technology to make it work so make it work.
Also, Vita set a good precedent with its PSP BC. I hope Sony keeps going in that direction.
TheJollyCorner
Member
Sony just shot themselves in the foot.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
yeah, the vita turned out great didn't it?
I do think it will come with some kind of Move-based controller as standard. Why do you think the console's codename is Orbis?
It's the right system at the wrong time, sadly.
Exactly its not the same era, the thought of my PSN games not transferring to my PS4 makes me want to fucking rage. Surely I can't be the only person to think of this as a massive failure.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Backwards compatibility means significant costs being drawn away from the next generation hardware. If anything, the current climate makes it extremely difficult to be providing backwards compatibility
PS4 will sell despite the lack of HW b/c. People hype BC more than its worth and the PS3 systems that aren't BC compatible prove it. More importantly, we don't know what they are planning with GAIKAI.
I am all for BC but saying lack thereof spells of the demise of PS4 is just ridiculous hyperbole.
I am all for BC but saying lack thereof spells of the demise of PS4 is just ridiculous hyperbole.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
actually, it's the wrong system at the wrong time.
regarding the article, most of it is just bullshit in the sense that it's just compiling random rumors we've heard so far. some of them probably will be true, but it's not really specific, it's just a way to get hits.
second, as much as i would like to keep ps3 BC (my ps3 has ps2 bc, even though i never used it), i question how important is that for most people. i still think gaikai will play a big part in that, but we'll see.
yellowjacket25
Member
Its hard to believe at least half of that list.
The Wii U does it. Hell, PCs and Macs do it every day (not BC per se, but you can still play your old games on there)! I think Sony has something good going with the way PSN is maturing. It definitely feels like a walled garden filled with Sony games/goodness. Their next system should build on that instead of slicing out 90% of the content instantly by not having compatibility with PS3 games.
How can PS+ be a pillar of PS4 with no backwards compatibility? All existing customers who have built up any type of substantial library of games through the PSN store with their PS3 are going to be SOL with the PS4?
I don't see how they can't have BC. Losing BC for the PS2 at least made some sense but with the PSN and PS+ I don't see how they can kill BC completely.
I don't see how they can't have BC. Losing BC for the PS2 at least made some sense but with the PSN and PS+ I don't see how they can kill BC completely.
Tylahedras
Banned
"4th Used games are not readily run on the PS4.
* Sony is planning certain protections in the PS4, including perhaps an online pass or something similar.
7th The PS4 will not be backwards compatible with PS3 games.
8th Games need to be registered to PlayStation Network account.
10th Every PS4 should be shipped with a PS Move compatible controller and camera."
There are so many deal breakers on this list for me it's nonsense. This is my last gen of console gaming I guess. Certainly won't be going to MS, so Steam it is.
* Sony is planning certain protections in the PS4, including perhaps an online pass or something similar.
7th The PS4 will not be backwards compatible with PS3 games.
8th Games need to be registered to PlayStation Network account.
10th Every PS4 should be shipped with a PS Move compatible controller and camera."
There are so many deal breakers on this list for me it's nonsense. This is my last gen of console gaming I guess. Certainly won't be going to MS, so Steam it is.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Lack of BC I can see, but I can't imagine even Sony being dumb enough to block used games and locking retail games to your account. But then again, it's Sony.
NinjaBoiX
Member
I just really don't think there will be. I can deal with that.
No pre-owned games is a step to far, like having to ask Sony before you get your wallet out or some shit.
Fuck that noise, bargain shopping is part of gaming for me, I'm not paying whatever Sony ask me to, no fucking way.
phosphor112
Banned
Pretty much. I was hyped to see this thread. Came in and literally laughed.
Also, do you think Gaikai can really produce BC? How would they do it? Are Cell server blades even made still?
seventynine
Member
What if they mandate stereo 3D for all games on the platform?
Chuck Norris
Banned
it's a lot easier to shrink Wii hardware down at low costs than it is to shrink PS3 hardware, considering Wii is a generation more dated. PC and Mac, that's not even comparable.
The next Sony system will probably develop to an OS specification rather than a hardware one, so that games can be shared across generations in the future. Much like you get with iOS
Chuck Norris
Banned
How does Steam address any of those issues?
Yeah, it sounds like Steam where you lock the physical game to the ecosystem and if that's the case, I'll severly reduce the amount of games I buy on PS4.
Shtof
Member
Could be optional. Register game and get bonus DLC for example(something cheap and shitty, but people will still want to do it).
H_Prestige
Banned
Looks like wii u will be the only console worth owning
Host Samurai
Member
I can't stand how greedy it is to include BC. The entire reason it wont be BC is so they can rerelease these games. Sick of all this anti consumer shit thats going on.
I guess this super machine wont even play my PS2 games. What a shame as I have about 600 games on the system.
I guess this super machine wont even play my PS2 games. What a shame as I have about 600 games on the system.
ertitoagus
Member
A lot of bad decisions if the article is true....
WeAreStarStuff
Member
Ive never understood Gafs obsession with BC. I never used the feature once on my PS3, and maybe used it twice on my PS2. If I want to play a PS3 game Ill just play it on my PS3 that Im going to move to my bedroom, after putting the PS4 in my living room. I dont think most gamers actually care about it to be honest (Gaf isnt most gamers.)
Shtof
Member
It doesn't matter, and it's not really doable unless you have hardware emulation, which is gonna cost more than it pays. NextBox probably won't have BC anyway.
All third-party games that have PC versions can be streamed anyway, so the games will be available that way. First party games can become 4K collections, and those sales are pretty much pure profit.
Shtof
Member
It might have PS2 software emulation? Someone more educated might answer that, but I hear PS3 software emulation just isn't doable unless they go for the Cell processor once more.
Shtof
Member
PC games. Duh.
AdventChild
Neo Member
wtf?
seventynine
Member
I rarely used it on the current three, but it's a different world now. Personal accounts, alongside online services making the move to a new platform, one would quite reasonably expect purchased content to move along too.