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Shadowrun: Dragonfall |OT| Choose Your Enemies Carefully
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I'd love to read a post mortem.
I'm curious how satisfied they are with the final products and the give and take on the way there. What they learned, what they're happy with, what they would have done differently in hindsight. All that good stuff.
ed: And that was in response to the above post pre-edit. Link to information?
I'm curious how satisfied they are with the final products and the give and take on the way there. What they learned, what they're happy with, what they would have done differently in hindsight. All that good stuff.
ed: And that was in response to the above post pre-edit. Link to information?
cj_iwakura
Member
Reached the endgame, I think, after talking with Alice:
Just when I thought I wouldn't get an opportunity...
Just when I thought I wouldn't get an opportunity...
S-K facilty! Oh please let me meet Lofwyr please please please.
Yeah, it's really not bad (mostly), it just sticks out because its occurrences are so random, particularly in dialogue.I enjoy the (often ridiculous, occasionally grammatically incorrect) German sprinkled throughout, from the place names to people to random German outbursts and expressions in the dialogue. It reminds me of 90s Japanese RPGs, which had a serious infatuation with German names and expressions - though to be fair to Harebrained Schemes, the German mentions in this game are not quite that random and clearly better researched.
Just seeing real things I know and places I've been to referenced in a videogame is something that tickles my fancy.
Good times, meine Freunde.
cj_iwakura
Member
Finished.
Once again, I'm left in awe. HBS' writing is on a whole other level.
I pray we get another run out of those guys.
Once again, I'm left in awe. HBS' writing is on a whole other level.
I pray we get another run out of those guys.
And Lofwyr. The deal is done, dragon.
I let her live, after all.
I let her live, after all.
cj_iwakura
Member
This is a really cool notion, and I have a story to put into play if you're at all interested. I couldn't figure out the UGC creator for the life of me.
Also, what does the slogan in the haven translate to? The 'Mur Fur Mitarbeiter' one or something.
"Nur für Mitarbeiter" = "Staff only"
harriet the spy
Member
bahh. LTTP, but I really dislike the difficulty spikes of both DMS and Dragonfall on the last stages. Endless sequences of enemies, no way to replenish medikits.
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I forgot to take a decker with me (cant stand blitzs face), and I think I have to go back several hours to hope win the fight. Glory sucks. I dont know why I keep taking her along, probably because of her backstory.
So fucking annoying, and really frustrated i wont get to see the end of this.
I breezed the APEX fight, but the endless sequences of mercs, firedrakes, scorps get old after a while.
I forgot to take a decker with me (cant stand blitzs face), and I think I have to go back several hours to hope win the fight. Glory sucks. I dont know why I keep taking her along, probably because of her backstory.
So fucking annoying, and really frustrated i wont get to see the end of this.
I love the Overworld Theme.
I didn't have too much trouble with the end of this one. I recall finding a billion medkits shortly before and also after the nightmare that was the last fight of Dead Man's Switch, I was always absolutely loaded with them anyway. It really is stunning how useless Glory is, though. Here, let me run up and do a fraction of the damage you can do with a fraction of the hit rate! Whoops, I died!
The end of Dead Man's Switch actually caused me to restart the whole game so I could make a character capable of winning it more or less single-handedly. Don't bring a Decker to an insect fight. Or any fight, really.
I never used Glory in my playthrough, never saw the need, or got her to open up about her backstory. Having her take a spot from Dietrich, Eiger or Blitz just wasn't an option, which rather makes me wish that they allowed you to run with 5 shadowrunners rather than the hard limit of 4.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Yes! Yes! Yes!
I've really enjoyed both campaigns apart from their end sequences, awful shit.
The reason I didn't have much trouble with the end of Dragonfall was probably because I carried over my ludicrous combat monkey build specifically to win the end of Dead Man's Switch, thinking about it now 
Edit: I was a melee weapon troll with cyber-eyes and arms, and just enough chi casting to get the first couple of passives and Chi Focus.
Edit: I was a melee weapon troll with cyber-eyes and arms, and just enough chi casting to get the first couple of passives and Chi Focus.
I grabbed Dragonfall off the sale today, and I decided to finish off Dead Man's Switch. I loaded up my last autosave, and it's at the start of "The Hunt" which seems like the final stage. I can equip stuff on my party, etc. Then I start the mission, and the only active person in the party is my main character. The other characters just stand at their starting positions, and the turns cycle between my MC and the enemies. After I kill the 3 guards, I used an elevator of sorts, and I ended up alone in a lower area with no turns at all. The turns just cycle between enemies and neutral, and I never get to do anything and everyone ignores my guy just standing there. Endless loop.
Seems like it bugged out pretty bad. Any ideas? Is it some issue with legacy saves post-Dragonfall? This kinda sucks...
Seems like it bugged out pretty bad. Any ideas? Is it some issue with legacy saves post-Dragonfall? This kinda sucks...
Crap, this better not be a thing, I just bought Dragonfall as well and will be annoyed if it's messed up my save
Alessandro
Member
Happened to me too in Dead Man's Switch on Android. It was the one mission in which you need a skillful decker to assault a building. I had to reload a previous savegame to finish the mission.
And that reminded me Dragonfall has yet to be released on Android
Hmm, I actually did the exact same thing (didn't want to play the final mission pre-save-anywhere), luckily this didn't happen to me :/
Anyway, the initial release was a technical mess, and Dragonfall, while better, is still far from good in that regard. On one of my systems it just runs at 10 FPS for no reason (so I play on another one). The technical aspects are really the both games' largest issue -- and I say that as someone who thinks e.g. Obsidian's and Bethesda's technical problems (at least on PC) are way overblown.
Anyway, the initial release was a technical mess, and Dragonfall, while better, is still far from good in that regard. On one of my systems it just runs at 10 FPS for no reason (so I play on another one). The technical aspects are really the both games' largest issue -- and I say that as someone who thinks e.g. Obsidian's and Bethesda's technical problems (at least on PC) are way overblown.
I managed to fix it. I uninstalled the Dragonfall DLC. Loaded up the vanilla game, and this time rewinding worked. I just had to replay the estate part of the game (which thankfully has no combat and is just NPC interaction), do all my final upgrades and stuff, and made a few manual saves just in case, picked my party and loaded into the final mission. Then I reinstalled the Dragonfall DLC, loaded it up, and loaded the latest manual saves. Worked fine, played through The Hunt, now I'm on to Into the Depths. No visible issues this time.
I would have been reaaaaaaaally pissed if the save was corrupted for good.
I would have been reaaaaaaaally pissed if the save was corrupted for good.
Dragonfall is pretty impressive for what it is so far. Only several missions in, but it definitely feels way more like a proper RPG than the original campaign. There isn't really more freedom per se, but within the confines of the engine they managed to do much more interesting stuff here.
Having a proper party being introduced from the start with actual motivations and characteristics is a pretty big deal. While the original felt like a pick-your-generic-party with some options of story characters, it's the reverse here where you have a pretty well balanced story party, but also the option of swapping them out for generics if you want specific gameplay options.
The other huge improvement is in general interactivity. Missions feel like they have more optional things to play around with, more optional objectives, slightly more options to stack the odds if you're observant or have the right skills, etc. I really like that. The home hub is much more of a proper town than the original campaign too, with enough area to actually feel like you're exploring it the first time you're there, and enough geography to feel that the various NPCs occupy actual personal spaces in the town, rather than just hanging out randomly in one building.
Having a narrative which allows the player to actually pick from a number of missions to keep working towards a general goal in a slightly non-linear way also breaks up the pace and creates more of the illusion of freedom. I appreciate the thought, because it's clear that the engine as it is works in a very modular way, but they're done a good job of thinking outside of the box to create an experience which feels like a proper evolution rather than just another campaign like the first one.
Pretty happy with it so far.
Having a proper party being introduced from the start with actual motivations and characteristics is a pretty big deal. While the original felt like a pick-your-generic-party with some options of story characters, it's the reverse here where you have a pretty well balanced story party, but also the option of swapping them out for generics if you want specific gameplay options.
The other huge improvement is in general interactivity. Missions feel like they have more optional things to play around with, more optional objectives, slightly more options to stack the odds if you're observant or have the right skills, etc. I really like that. The home hub is much more of a proper town than the original campaign too, with enough area to actually feel like you're exploring it the first time you're there, and enough geography to feel that the various NPCs occupy actual personal spaces in the town, rather than just hanging out randomly in one building.
Having a narrative which allows the player to actually pick from a number of missions to keep working towards a general goal in a slightly non-linear way also breaks up the pace and creates more of the illusion of freedom. I appreciate the thought, because it's clear that the engine as it is works in a very modular way, but they're done a good job of thinking outside of the box to create an experience which feels like a proper evolution rather than just another campaign like the first one.
Pretty happy with it so far.
cj_iwakura
Member
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613260297/shadowrun-returns/posts/927206
Next month, free to all backers, will be sold as stand alone.
Next month, free to all backers, will be sold as stand alone.#1 thing i want is a de-tabletization of the ui
it put me off really bad from playing the expansion which i bet is all kinds of awesome
please have more hotkeys, less wasteful animation on menus and overall better usability
btw i think they said it'll be officially announced next month but it'll release on september?
it put me off really bad from playing the expansion which i bet is all kinds of awesome
please have more hotkeys, less wasteful animation on menus and overall better usability
btw i think they said it'll be officially announced next month but it'll release on september?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613260297/shadowrun-returns/posts/927206
...the Directors Cut will be FREE to all Backers and to all owners of the expansion version of Dragonfall..
Looks like it's free to everybody who's already purchased or backed the game. I can't wait to see the changes. Dragonfall was good, but could have been so much better. It did so much great, but on the other hand lost a lot of functionality even compared to the version on the Genesis that released more than 20 years ago which had stuff like a completely open world and randomly generated shadowruns you could go on for xp/nuyen.
I'm incredibly curious about what they are going to add to this. I mean, if it is just the same type of content, but just more of it, then that is less compelling then substantial mechanic changes. The Matrix missions in general are still a weak spot and the game still has some balancing issues that could be addressed.
I just really want them to let the users have more input in the editor. I still believe we are at a point where we can't add our own music, or any new models. You can quickly burn through the existing model offering pretty quickly and sometimes you can't find the right music in the library that matches the mood of your scene.
I just really want them to let the users have more input in the editor. I still believe we are at a point where we can't add our own music, or any new models. You can quickly burn through the existing model offering pretty quickly and sometimes you can't find the right music in the library that matches the mood of your scene.
cj_iwakura
Member
Wouldn't mind seeing more of Saeder-Krypp, being Berlin and all.
BrokenFiction
Member
Just got an update from Harebrained; backers check your email.
Here's a teaser screenshots of the new UI improvements:
Here's a teaser screenshots of the new UI improvements:
cj_iwakura
Member
Wow, very nice.
BrokenFiction
Member
If you bought it, you get the update.
BrokenFiction
Member
Just got the latest update complete w/ trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyUktyFHrb4&feature=youtu.be
From the Steam Store page:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyUktyFHrb4&feature=youtu.be
From the Steam Store page:
vagabondarts
Member
It sounds glorious! I'm glad I missed out on Dragonfall the first time around so all of this will be new to me.
Loving the new UI as well
Just played through the intro mission
The UI feels a lot more snappy, the game is a bit prettier and the combat seems to be more difficult than the EP version. Other than that I can't see much difference, although obviously that's to be expected. This version uses the Seattle portrait set for some reason though
The UI feels a lot more snappy, the game is a bit prettier and the combat seems to be more difficult than the EP version. Other than that I can't see much difference, although obviously that's to be expected. This version uses the Seattle portrait set for some reason though
BrokenFiction
Member
I'm not seeing it in my Steam library (still shows the old 1.0 Dragonfall). Is there a way to force an update that anyone knows about?
LurkerPrime
Member
I played a bit of it yesterday. Was there a graphical update as well? I find it looks a lot better, somehow.
The new UI is great, but I need to know: is there a hotkey for selecting an attack (not a weapon)?
Restart Steam and then verify the game's cache, that should all but guarantee you have the most recent files.
The new UI is great, but I need to know: is there a hotkey for selecting an attack (not a weapon)?
Harebrained has done more than a double fine job on Dragonfall.
Restart Steam and then verify the game's cache, that should all but guarantee you have the most recent files.
Snapshot King
Member
I kickstarted this and never got around to playing it, now seems like a good time. Is the save anywhere function retroactive to Shadowrun Returns vanilla?
BrokenFiction
Member
Argh. That didn't work. Guess I'll try HBS directly.
Played a bit more, it's pretty much the same game so far tbh. Combat does feel improved but not to the point where it feels like an entirely different game. I'm not complaining though, this was for free. I do wish that they gave you the option to use custom portraits instead of forcing you to fuck with the actual files of the game however
You can now save all the time except for during combat and conversations
You can now save all the time except for during combat and conversations
LurkerPrime
Member
I forgot to say before, the new combat systems seem great from the brief glimpse I had. The AI in particular seems more deadly and efficient.
Weird. You might want to try asking in the Steam thread. They have much more expertise than me when dealing with weird Steam errors or problems.
Weird. You might want to try asking in the Steam thread. They have much more expertise than me when dealing with weird Steam errors or problems.