Square Triangle
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I really cannot stand the way he talks, normally shit like this doesn't bother me but STOP FUCKING SMILING
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Can someone paste in FRCP 37? It will help explain the gravity of the situation a bit better.
Not allowing Sony to win and set a precedent for companies taking action and suing users for modifying their hardware is a good enough reason. The fact that he lied is another story.Duke Togo said:Lets dig up those passionately defensive posts about why donating to this shithead's cause was a good idea. I could use a good laugh before work.
Square Triangle said:I really cannot stand the way he talks, normally shit like this doesn't bother me but STOP FUCKING SMILING
was it only this thread or does someone have a list of threads chronicling all the events up till thisshintoki said:Fabulous! In almost every single regard.
Dude proves to be a douche, Sony wastes money on pointless stuff that will change nothing, Sony now goes to court uncontested, and Douche living off foolish donations while fanboys rejoice corporate win.
This train wreck has a month of threads, and several thousand posts building up to it.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Can someone paste in FRCP 37? It will help explain the gravity of the situation a bit better.
enzo_gt said:In his position, why would you even do this? There aren't even any short term advantages, what the fuck.
as I said earlier, I can only assume that what he adjusted was far worse for him (criminal?) than what he's facing.enzo_gt said:In his position, why would you even do this? There aren't even any short term advantages, what the fuck.
sony defending their position and the copyright laws their position relies upon hardly seems like a waste (to them). The entire point here is that sony WANTED nothing to change. Had George won, then things would have changed which is precisely what sony didn't want.shintoki said:Dude proves to be a douche, Sony wastes money on pointless stuff that will change nothing, Sony now goes to court uncontested, and Douche living off foolish donations while fanboys rejoice.
borghe said:Sony learned that those modifications took place AFTER the drives were requested.
Mithos said:How, looking on date timestamp on files on the harddrive?
Cause that means I've just went back in time, todays date 2011-03-23, stamp on a file in my documentfolder 2013-07-12.
We had multiple threads. It was like when one went down, we'd get an update and a new thread. And continue the carnival once more with the same posters just in a new thread. Heh.Jenga said:was it only this thread or does someone have a list of threads chronicling all the events up till this
subversus said:he's just stupid. There are a lot of smart people who are stupid.
Curufinwe said:You really think that's the only way to determine time of modification?
Zoe said:Link, though I don't have time to c&p
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule37.htm
Actually posting 37(b)(2) would be enough.Curufinwe said:You really think that's the only way to determine time of modification?
http://www.guidancesoftware.com/forensic.htm
Curufinwe said:You really think that's the only way to determine time of modification?
http://www.guidancesoftware.com/forensic.htm
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Actually posting 37(b)(2) would be enough.
.(b) Failure to Comply with a Court Order.
(1) Sanctions in the District Where the Deposition Is Taken.
If the court where the discovery is taken orders a deponent to be sworn or to answer a question and the deponent fails to obey, the failure may be treated as contempt of court.
(2) Sanctions in the District Where the Action Is Pending.
(A) For Not Obeying a Discovery Order. If a party or a party's officer, director, or managing agent or a witness designated under Rule 30(b)(6) or 31(a)(4) fails to obey an order to provide or permit discovery, including an order under Rule 26(f), 35, or 37(a), the court where the action is pending may issue further just orders. They may include the following:
(i) directing that the matters embraced in the order or other designated facts be taken as established for purposes of the action, as the prevailing party claims;
(ii) prohibiting the disobedient party from supporting or opposing designated claims or defenses, or from introducing designated matters in evidence;
(iii) striking pleadings in whole or in part;
(iv) staying further proceedings until the order is obeyed;
(v) dismissing the action or proceeding in whole or in part;
(vi) rendering a default judgment against the disobedient party; or
(vii) treating as contempt of court the failure to obey any order except an order to submit to a physical or mental examination.
(B) For Not Producing a Person for Examination. If a party fails to comply with an order under Rule 35(a) requiring it to produce another person for examination, the court may issue any of the orders listed in Rule 37(b)(2)(A)(i)-(vi), unless the disobedient party shows that it cannot produce the other person.
(C) Payment of Expenses. Instead of or in addition to the orders above, the court must order the disobedient party, the attorney advising that party, or both to pay the reasonable expenses, including attorney's fees, caused by the failure, unless the failure was substantially justified or other circumstances make an award of expenses unjust.
hirokazu said:So... what's this about him being a liar?
eastmen said:this is why i melt all my drives in an old microwave and will continue to do so. i have about 16 years worth of hardrives melted in my shed to establish the fact that i allways do this.
it also doesn't hurt that i've been going through drives every year now. do something bad upload it and then melt the drives and get brand new faster ones.
as soon as geohot put the files on the web he should have cleared everything from his hardrive
Dunno, still think he's more tolerable than Sony here.borghe said:so you guys seriously just funded his vacation to south america?????
WHERE IS YOUR HERO NOW!!!?!?!?!
this guy is as piece of shit as they come. despite what you may or may not believe about piracy, copyright law, fair use, etc... clearly this guy just went to south america on everyone who donated's dime. in the middle of his trial. and, and did a bunch of lying under oath and probably tampered with evidence after it was asked for.
HaHa! Really?eastmen said:this is why i melt all my drives in an old microwave and will continue to do so. i have about 16 years worth of hardrives melted in my shed to establish the fact that i allways do this.
it also doesn't hurt that i've been going through drives every year now. do something bad upload it and then melt the drives and get brand new faster ones.
as soon as geohot put the files on the web he should have cleared everything from his hardrive
Mithos said:That's why I asked, How?
There are PLENTY of times I'd have to say: "to my knowledge" I do not have an account on that place, it doesn't make me a liar if I do have one though. This is not a fabrication even though it might sound like it, but I found out just the other day I had an account on a site I would have had to use "to my knowledge" I do not have an account on that place, looks like last time I logged in on it was like 4 years ago (moving from ff3 to ff4 made me discover it).Zoe said:PSN account for one
Didn't really require further response since my last response was an 'OK I see message', sorry if it wasn't totally clear, thanks again though.Curufinwe said:Read the link I provided in the post of mine that you quoted.
Shhh. Guys like Dark Alex were ok, but not this smug, lying douche.kamorra said:I wish some of you guys could tone down the aggressiveness. Especially the ones who are asking for help in the PSP custom firmware thread.
Zoe said:PSN account for one
subversus said:he's just stupid. There are a lot of smart people who are stupid.
I havnt followed this case that closely, but did Geohot say "to my knowledge" about not having a PSN account?Mithos said:There are PLENTY of times I'd have to say: "to my knowledge" I do not have an account on that place, it doesn't make me a liar if I do have one though. This is not a fabrication even though it might sound like it, but I found out just the other day I had an account on a site I would have had to use "to my knowledge" I do not have an account on that place, looks like last time I logged in on it was like 4 years ago (moving from ff3 to ff4 made me discover it).
he created the account less than a year after the deposition, and accessed the account almost a month after he created it.Mithos said:There are PLENTY of times I'd have to say: "to my knowledge" I do not have an account on that place, it doesn't make me a liar if I do have one though. This is not a fabrication even though it might sound like it, but I found out just the other day I had an account on a site I would have had to use "to my knowledge" I do not have an account on that place, looks like last time I logged in on it was like 4 years ago (moving from ff3 to ff4 made me discover it).
kamorra said:I wish some of you guys could tone down the aggressiveness. Especially the ones who are asking for help in the PSP custom firmware thread.
Captain Tuttle said:HaHa! Really?
Acquiescence said:You've basically just summed up Asperger's Syndrome right there, haha. I don't know for sure, but I'm fairly convinced GeoHot has it.
test_account said:I havnt followed this case that closely, but did Geohot say "to my knowledge" about not having a PSN account?
On January 12, 2011, Hotz submitted a declaration to the Court (Docket No. 19-1) in which he made unequivocal statements on a number of topics. However, when it came to discussing the PSN account, Hotz equivocated, stating: To the best of my knowledge and belief, I do not have a PlayStation Network account.
borghe said:he created the account less than a year after the deposition, and accessed the account almost a month after he created it.
yes, "I don't recall" can get you leeway on accounts you created years ago.. probably a little less so on an account you created months ago, on a company's service that you were actively and publicly hacking.
itxaka said:Also, other people could access his ps3 and create an account. Like a friend or even his mother. They can't prove he did it at all or that he lied.
the account was created at his house with his credentials, accessed at his house, and created with a username he's used on other boards. yes it's all circumstantial, but this isn't a criminal case either. we're not talking "without a reasonable doubt here" and the amount of stuff keeps on piling up.itxaka said:Also, other people could access his ps3 and create an account. Like a friend or even his mother. They can't prove he did it at all or that he lied.
my guess is you'd be able to when it was an account on an international corporation's systems, an international corporation who you were focusing tremendous time and effort on publicly hacking one of their biggest money makers, and you were asked to state so under oath. as I said "I don't recall" will only get you so far. especially when the suing party doesn't even have to PROVE that you recall, just that it's HIGHLY likely that you probably do actually recall. I mean we're not talking about a forum account on "hamsterbreedersforbeginngers.com". A playstation network account in the midst of you publicly attempting to hack a playstation3.... pretty hard time to convince anyone to believe "you don't recall". remember, a civil case isn't "innocent until proven guilty". it's whichever side ends up holding the most belief.Mithos said:I wouldn't be able to tell you what accounts I made last week.
Curufinwe said:They obviously think they can offer enough evidence to satisfy the judge. My mom must have done it is unlikely to accepted as a defense.
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the account was created at his house with his credentials, accessed at his house, and created with a username he's used on other boards. yes it's all circumstantial, but this isn't a criminal case either. we're not talking "without a reasonable doubt here" and the amount of stuff keeps on piling up.