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Splatoon 2: online Salmon Run only playable during timed events
- Thread starter HoJu
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It's still problematic. If I want to ask a friend if he wants to play that mode that night, we both have to consult the game's schedule to see if it'll be available. That's an unnecessary layer of friction when we have other multiplayer games that we can play anytime we want to.
GuessMyUserName
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Really don't mind it at all, it's kind of a nice push to get people to play the mode when it's available. It's essentially a cool event with nice timed rewards.
Jawmuncher
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What games?
Only ones I can think of are always holiday themed events.
Gears of War 4 doesn't lock out Horde Mode to people.
WhatWeLeftBehind
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Anti-consumer? Nothing of the sort. Dumb? Now that I can see, though I will say the issue is mitigated tremendously by being available at all times during local play.
But anti-consumer? OP, it's people like you that causes companies and online press outlet's not to take backlashes seriously like, say, the Xbone DRM debacle.
Ever since that i've seen people use the term to try and generate backlashes against faulty translations, removing outright pornography from teen rated games and other stupid shit devs pull like locking an online mode behind a schedule.
Dumd decisions in terms of design are not anti-consumer. Using that term to bludgeon your way through an argument only serves to weaken the meaning of the term 'anti-consumer'. A bit like how 'nazi' was godwinned a lot and now we have actual nazi's and everyone invokes godwin's law when someone tries to call someone else out. Don't be part of the problem.
EDIT: hmm, seems you've edited your post. Good on you OP.
But anti-consumer? OP, it's people like you that causes companies and online press outlet's not to take backlashes seriously like, say, the Xbone DRM debacle.
Ever since that i've seen people use the term to try and generate backlashes against faulty translations, removing outright pornography from teen rated games and other stupid shit devs pull like locking an online mode behind a schedule.
Dumd decisions in terms of design are not anti-consumer. Using that term to bludgeon your way through an argument only serves to weaken the meaning of the term 'anti-consumer'. A bit like how 'nazi' was godwinned a lot and now we have actual nazi's and everyone invokes godwin's law when someone tries to call someone else out. Don't be part of the problem.
EDIT: hmm, seems you've edited your post. Good on you OP.
Renna Hazel
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Like many of us, it's possible the OP is just really disappointed by a poor choice that probably serves no real purpose. That may lead to a bit of hyperbole in the moment.
OrbitalBeard
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I hate everything about this, but I've already expressed my disgust in the Direct thread.
Everyone seems fine with it in Overwatch ¯\_(ツ_/¯
Basic gameplay modes like horde and so forth shouldn't be on some special schedule for any game. It's a pretty skeezy tactic for a Nintendo game.
Let me put it this way: I expect skeezy from Blizzard, not so much with Nintendo. I expect them to do better.
Fucking hell i wanted to play this mode daily:/ my dream addition was a coop mode and that seems to be limited.
I can play ranked mode and turf war whenever i like why can't i play this whenever i like?
Everyone seems fine with it in Overwatch ¯\_(ツ
People have been asking for it to be fleshed out and become one of the game modes since the first one.
Gotdatmoney
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According to that graphic there is a 2 day block where it isn't available.
ryanofcall
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Yes but offline it's available at all times.... I'm fine with that.
What I still can't believe (they haven't talked about it, so I guess it's not a thing) is that there are no bots for 4v4 offline splat-parties. How are we going to find 8 players...
Also II'm curious wether you can play salmon run with less than 4 players and the enemy health will decrease... (2 player salmon run would be nice, 1 player salmon run could be fun, too!). If that's a thing I don't really care about the rotation
What I still can't believe (they haven't talked about it, so I guess it's not a thing) is that there are no bots for 4v4 offline splat-parties. How are we going to find 8 players...
Also II'm curious wether you can play salmon run with less than 4 players and the enemy health will decrease... (2 player salmon run would be nice, 1 player salmon run could be fun, too!). If that's a thing I don't really care about the rotation
Yes, I agree the limitation is bad and I'd like to understand why the devs chose this format, but I think a lot of people are posting without realizing that it's available for 24 hours at a time, every other day. It's not like Splatfests. In practical terms, it is not a major limitation.
OrbitalBeard
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RecRoulette
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This isn't necessarily new for Splatoon. You couldn't play Ranked Battles during the Splatfest in the first one. I don't remember people coming at Nintendo for being anti-consumer then.
Edit: Looking at the dates, the three day off block is a bit weird, especially since it's in the middle of the week (Tuesday-Friday). Maybe it's more of a weekend mode?
Edit: Looking at the dates, the three day off block is a bit weird, especially since it's in the middle of the week (Tuesday-Friday). Maybe it's more of a weekend mode?
MiamiWesker
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Anyone who tries to defend this needs to really think, no people don't need to go bananas but you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me hey a mode is available every other day, that's ok. Come on.
Is salmon run really not available for one player though?!?! What shit.
Is salmon run really not available for one player though?!?! What shit.
The Xtortionist
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Pretty dumb. It's a fuckin' horde mode.
RomanceDawn
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I actually like this a lot. 24 hours every other day is plenty and will keep me and other people playing different modes regularly.
Thanks mate I learned from my mistake and fixed it. We can only hope that nintendo does the same with making online salmon run playable anytime anywhere
OrbitalBeard
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No and this annoys the hell out of me as well, but it's been known for awhile, so I guess I just accepted it.
I feel that, with Switch being a portable system, games like Splatoon 2 should allow single player for as many modes as possible.
Apparently, Nintendo hasn't heard about a little thing called the Geneva Conventions...
papertoonz
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yeah this is really dumb and i don't see the reason as to why they would do this
i really don't know what's with splatoon and these timer things, it doesn't add anything and limits you from play what you want when you want to
i really don't know what's with splatoon and these timer things, it doesn't add anything and limits you from play what you want when you want to
Well, that's dumb as all arse, but it isan't "anti-consumer" or even "bad behaviour". It's Nintendo's game, they can dole out the mode to Switch Gold subbers only in 30-minute-per-day chunks if the want. Though that would be rioting fuel.
But since it's 24-hour chunks every second day, I can't say I'm too bothered, though I still contend that an explanation from the devs is still warranted.
No 1-player Salmon Run though? That's shit.
Renna Hazel
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Couldn't you just host an offline game and play by yourself?
Everyone seems fine with it in Overwatch ¯_(ツ
Everyone not fine with it. Don't know what you talking about.
ShadowSoldier89
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anti-consumer is pretty dumb to try and attach here, but I defintiely hated that with splatoon 1, on top of the super boring map limits to time blocks had me drop the game.
Continuing that trend and even extending it is enough reason for me to pass on this sequel.
The ranked modes rotate. The idea with the rotations is to not splinter the user base too much. And setting maps/modes ahead of time lets people choose a weapon/gear loadout and prepare. Making Salmon Run into an event, and making it clear when it's available, means people can try to coordinate ahead of time, etc. I can understand why people are annoyed but I guess I don't think it's a huge deal.
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BOOOOOOOOOOO
That is all.
That is all.
Jawmuncher
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That's my complaint. If this was like a summer themed mode i'd cut it some slack.
But they advertised this right out of the gate with the first major direct.
WhatWeLeftBehind
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Pretty good chance of that actually. With Splatoon 1 and Mario Maker they made some changes as well which you gave players quicker access to content.
Sometimes this company needs to make mistakes before they start learnin'. It's the way of Kyoto.
There's probably no technical reason. It could be to focus players there during certain times or to limit how quickly you can get the unique gear from it.
Joelstinton14
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The map rotation i was actually a fan off. It meant that unlike games such as COD and in some ways Mario Kart games don't turn into Nuketown 24/7. It also fresherns up my own playing style by forcing me to confront changes and think about tactics/equipment. I actually wish more games did this. I think reducing the map rotation length (4- 2 hours) is a fair compromise.
As for Salmon mode, by tentative guess is that they think everyone will be playing turf/ranked.
You also get special currency ( i think) in salmon mode. Having it at set times, ensures that people will play - and you will get a team together - so you fight for that special currency/items but also means that people don't farm those items/currency. Wouldn't be surprised if it turns into a raid mode of some sort as well.
Also allows them to schedule splatfest etc. Not 'defending' it, but that what my guess is their design decision.
Ranked was being interrupted for game-wide events that only happen occasionally, not every other day.
backflip10019
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It's only the online Salmon Run that's timed to certain moments, right?
How is this different from any other game having timed events? Destiny, Overwatch, etc.? Seems par for the course with many other recent AAA titles.
How is this different from any other game having timed events? Destiny, Overwatch, etc.? Seems par for the course with many other recent AAA titles.
ShadowSoldier89
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I hate it, playing the same two maps for 20+ games is fucking boring.
Oh, is that what it is? That's not so bad.
I don't really feel strongly either way, though.
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Right, it's available anytime for local multiplayer sessions. I think the only thing you can't do in local is earning rank, which is a no-brainer.
OrbitalBeard
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BE ANGRY WITH ME!!!!
Honestly, I just need to get over it. The game itself looks amazing in pretty much every other way.
Jawmuncher
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Yep. They made no mention of it being timed in anyway online when they revealed it.
This definitely isn't comparable to something like Lucio Ball.
Okami Haundo
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I'm pretty bummed that the (potential) cute narrative explanation here of the in-game fishing company not needing help 24/7 is being lost on people. Obviously that doesn't "justify" their decision here and I'm not trying to say that it does.
Personally, I'm ok with not being able to play it 24/7 the more I think about it. There certainly isn't a lack of content to play in the meantime so I'll survive.
Personally, I'm ok with not being able to play it 24/7 the more I think about it. There certainly isn't a lack of content to play in the meantime so I'll survive.
Renna Hazel
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The difference is this is a major mode in the game I guess? I've played a fair amount of shooters and games like Gears and Halo never locked out a mode for no real reason. Also, I don't think Nintendo games have ever done this.
This wouldn't be so bad if Splatoon had an offline focus like Smash and Kart, but it's really focused on being online. They should allow you to play all the modes at anytime.
Gotdatmoney
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Can they please make map rotation 3 maps?
backflip10019
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Ok, but Overwatch has time between seasons where you can't play ranked. Certain game modes are locked off to certain times.
I don't necessarily agree with it here but understand why they would go that route in the context of other online games.
Jawmuncher
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Sorry a little narrative isn't going to have me cut them some slack. Anyone can slap something like that on why something isn't available.
I prefer SP and Coop modes. Salmon Run is a large reason why I am interested in the sequel more than the Original. Since regular Vs isn't to my liking. So it sucks that my preferred mode which I thought would be a mainstay has to be played around nintendos schedule now, despite there being no mention of that prior to this.