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SPOILER Bioshock Infinite SPOILER discussion
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XANDER CAGE
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Yeah that felt random and forced until the end. I assume it was meant to be Fink's son though, right?
I think it was a random kid? All I remember is that the Vox was killing everything that was related to the Founders.
reddwarf42
Member
But the two of them existing in the same universe still fucks with the universe.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
Give me the link?
Not overtly but I guess it has something to do with Comstock seeing a bit of himself in her. Despite being twisted by power, he might actually believe a lot of what he says. And, if so, then he must hope for redemption in the end too. And if he of all people can be saved, so can she.
Later audiologs describe that Lady Comstock was far from a fair-weather soul herself which might account for some level of the attraction.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I was gonna do my replay in Hard just to get that over with but I think I might go completely the other way and do Easy and just cruise.
blame space
Banned
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bioshock/comments/1b4fmx/my_detailed_ending_explanation_my_attempt_at_the/
i'm way down the rabbit hole now.. i like the story in this game. i usually hate stories.
The One Who Knocks
Member
No it doesn't. By erasing the Comstock universes the botched murder attempt never happens and they never become trapped in the timeline.
EDIT: Actually, now that I think of the after credits scene, wasn't Booker in the rejection timeline woken up by the male Lutece knocking on the door looking for Elizabeth? Could this be seen as confirmation that the circle is broken (since he was able to wake up naturally)? I can't remember how the flashback sequence in which Booker gives up the child opened.
symphonask
Member
In my second playthrough in 1999 mode I distinctly remember him picking heads
Anyone else on their second playthrough - did he pick heads for you? Don't tell me I'm going crazy.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
OMG lol almost forgot, the payoff to those documentary filmstrips was AMAZING
I stood there 15 minutes, I refused to accept that was the only option, I thought Levine was fucking with us "doing what we were told to do". Then I waited 10 minutes with Anna in arms before surrender.
Damn, the whole ending was so sad, Elizabeth mix between sadness and absolute confidence on what was going on was devastating. I wanted to see her in Paris
blame space
Banned
i stood there for six hours
Big Daddy technology stolen through tears, meaning there is a person with protective feelings inside.
Fink explain he saw it in one of the tears: "a mix between man and bird, with the best and worst of both, the process to create it is irreversible".
APZonerunner
Member
She says that when she was younger she could create tears to where ever she wanted in the world, but always went back home. A child would. Presumably Comstock wanted to control this power because as she got older she would want to escape, as any growing person would. If she could create any tear she wanted, she'd never be able to be held. Basically, it was a limiter on her powers.
That's why she can only create certain tears and certain things in certain places. When you order Songbird to destroy and rip down the remnants of the tower, the shackles on her powers are finally removed. You see it, if you watch that scene - she does the very cliché looking at her hands as she realizes her own power - and in the next moment transports the three of them to Rapture. From then on she's the super god who can see anything and everything and knows all. That's why they drained her, to stop her from becoming that - though I doubt even Comstock knew the extent of her powers, just that he wanted to stop her escaping.
Yeah I assumed there was a man inside that thing. The sheer level of technology in the Bioshock universe continues to be baffling.
Also it just occurs to be, has Elizabeth committed suicide by killing Dewitt?
It also creates a paradox, as if she never existed, who killed him?
Yea, I'm pretty sure upgraded charge with right gear is kinda broken. It made the game really easy when I realized this. High damage, AoE, invincibility, recovery. I had the gear that gave you a 40 percent chance at recovering salt upon killing an enemy.
Played on hard I should add.
symphonask
Member
I'm hoping that's a master troll and not what he actually thinks.
The One Who Knocks
Member
We know it's a creation by Fink, the specifications obtained by looking through a tear (not necessarily to Rapture, it could have been a tear to any universe) and seems to be a combination of man and machine. That's all we definitively know.
Some believe that an alternate Booker is the Songbird but personally I feel this makes the timeline far too complex and it becomes infinitely more convoluted even though it may fit in with "Booker doing anything to protect Elizabeth/Anna". Why the Songbird is so attached to Anna is probably similar to the mind conditioning that the Big Daddies were put through (maybe that's exactly what it was, or maybe a similar technology in another universe, ultimately it doesn't matter) or, if you subscribe to the theory that the Songbird is Booker, it's simply out of love for her.
This is why I believe the timeline reset worked. It would be a paradox which means it cannot occur. This means the Comstock universe cannot occur and the only choice Booker can make at the baptism becomes rejecting it, otherwise he'll create a paradox where the choice cancels itself out. So 'Elizabeth' in her current state would cease to exist while Anna would exist EDIT: To elaborate further, Elizabeth's existence requires being stolen by the Lutece's after being asked by Comstock. Without Comstock Elizabeth can never be stolen so her existence becomes a paradox.
Tummi Gummi
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10/10
Yes, Elizabeth states in the ending, "I can see ALL the doors and what's behind all the doors. And behind ONE OF THEM, I see him." Him being Comstock. She continues later and says, "It will only be over when he never even lived in the first place."
I think it's clear the ending means they broke the cycle. Booker does have his Anna in the end. Comstock never exists in any possibility space but neither does Elizabeth. Lucete and her 'twin' probably still exist but not together. But since she is a scientist that's not to say she never finds him some other way.
I'd actually like to see the Lucete twins return in other BioShock universes.
Matt2thefuture
Member
Wait.. so whats the theory on how the twins opened a rift without elizabeth to steal Elizabeth?
onlyindreams
Banned
uhh what, elizabeth wasnt the reason tears exist... she just had a power to use them.
Lutece originally discovered them and it led to the technology to create the city iirc
The One Who Knocks
Member
The Luteces created the machine to open and view Lutece Tears. Elizabeth's powers stem from her simultaneous existence in two infinite set of universes (when her little finger was severed as the tear closed).
XANDER CAGE
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That's way more forced. What was a random kid doing up there?
Tokubetsu
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Bring your kid to work day?
When Elizabeth(s) kill Comstock, they kill the root of all possibility spaces with Comstock. Meaning Comstock never exists in any possibility space to hire on Lucete to create the city. Meaning Elizabeth never exists either.
BUT Lucete didn't need Elizabeth to open tears in space/time. She was already a scientist creating those types of experiments. Elizabeth just happened to become something of an anomaly coming through the tear because a piece of her existed in two separate space/time spaces. So she somehow got the powers to create tears herself. That kind of power was then harnessed to create more technologies and power the city and Comstock's dreams.
Matt2thefuture
Member
Was this explained in an audio log? Must have missed it.
Good question. I think he was just a guard who used mind control on the patients there.
blame space
Banned
yeah, at the house that elizabeth's mom leads you to for the first tear. i think.
In the original gameplay demo video Comstock looks completely different and obviously doesn't support current game's story. I wonder how much the story changed and what the original story was like...
I think he looks exactly like a middle aged Booker.
I just finished it.
So...Comstock is you but from another reality where you get Baptized? Did it really explain why Elizabeth had powers? What was the after credit bit then? He dies, Elizabeth vanishes, it rolls back to DeWitt and baby Anna before it all happened? This all reminds me of Looper or The Witcher.
So...Comstock is you but from another reality where you get Baptized? Did it really explain why Elizabeth had powers? What was the after credit bit then? He dies, Elizabeth vanishes, it rolls back to DeWitt and baby Anna before it all happened? This all reminds me of Looper or The Witcher.
Sleeping Lesson
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The consensus is that Elizabeth losing her pinky is what gave her the powers, which parts of her being present in two separate universes.
Tokubetsu
Member
No, YOU'RE from another reality. The Lutece's bring you there to stop a version of you that was baptized and created Colombia (helping to facilitate all these tears etc etc). Elizabeth had powers because she was existing in two places at once (her finger), she was tied to multiple places because of this. This is sorta what happens to the luteces after their machine is sabotaged by fink (They're scattered).
XANDER CAGE
Member
In the original gameplay demo video Comstock looks completely different and obviously doesn't support current game's story. I wonder how much the story changed and what the original story was like...
Yeah, an in-depth post mortem on this game will be fascinating. I'd love to know what changed, script-wise.
In that same gameplay video, they're going to Comstock House seemingly early on in the adventure to ask for his help.
Gozer the Gozerian
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Yeah something similar happened to my cousin
Deputy Dangle
Member
God, I feel like I'm actually playing the game by how slowly I am progressing in this thread, but this stood out.
Raito, are you me?
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Ok with Infinite the first BioShock becomes even better. And now every single setting is open to a nextgen bio. Do you guys think rapture was created in a similar way? Oh, man everything should be possible. :> Great game.
I think in an interview Levine said that Comstock was just a politician who came to power in Columbia as a reaction to growing proto-Vox sympathies.In the original gameplay demo video Comstock looks completely different and obviously doesn't support current game's story. I wonder how much the story changed and what the original story was like...
XANDER CAGE
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"Something you guys missed in all of these?" Lots of people realized/pointed that stuff out. The whole beauty of the ending is that in retrospect it makes a lot of seemingly random/goofy things make sense. Oh, reddit.
I actually think this is one of the few (maybe only?) multiverse stories I've experienced where it really ties it all together really tightly. The game does a great job at explaining all the questions if you take time to find the answers.
There are a couple guesses here and there but ultimately, I think this game does a fantastic job at keeping things actually explained as opposed to using the "Lost" method and pretending it's just some deep shit when the writers just didn't know what to write. Which I find ultimately more fulfilling. I connect with the characters and world more, and now I wanna see more of them especially the Lutece twins. I am curious what the DLC will be like!
There are a couple guesses here and there but ultimately, I think this game does a fantastic job at keeping things actually explained as opposed to using the "Lost" method and pretending it's just some deep shit when the writers just didn't know what to write. Which I find ultimately more fulfilling. I connect with the characters and world more, and now I wanna see more of them especially the Lutece twins. I am curious what the DLC will be like!