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The paper is the cage whatever.Don't know about the paper part actually, but the choice makes no difference. Like all the choices in the game
The paper is the cage whatever.Don't know about the paper part actually, but the choice makes no difference. Like all the choices in the game
I'm sure somebody else will have finished explaining the specifics by the time I'm finished so rather I'll link you to what I think is the resolution of the story: http://www.abload.de/img/endingtimeline9njbo.jpgJust finished the game, and wow WTF at the ending. Can someone sum it up for me? I get pieces such as that Anna Dewitt is Booker's infant daughter that he sold to get out of debt, and that Anna is really Elizabeth. I'm guessing he sold Anna to Comstock (Booker from another dimension) because Comstock himself couldn't have children.
Also what the hell happened at the very end? In order to remove Comstock, Booker died and because he died all of the Elizabeth's started fading, but then how did he survive to see Anna in the crib at the end?
By the way going back to Rapture was fucking awesome, and on another note, did they ever explain who Songbird was?
First she explains on the boardwalk that She was able to do that when she could control it but always wanted to remain home. Booker asks why and she sad she doesn't know, family perhaps. Secondly, as an adult she can't really control which timeline it is. It's a form of wish fulfilment (perhaps) in where she ends up but that doesn't necessarily means that all of te other variables in the universe would be good for her. She'd basically be stepping into an unknown universe with no way to get back (as she says to Booker with Chen and the guns, she's not able to bring them back) and no guarantee of safety.Elizabeth could easily open tears that she could walk into and she was capable of opening up a tear to Paris while still being trapped in the tower -- why didn't she just do that?
Elizabeth could easily open tears that she could walk into and she was capable of opening up a tear to Paris while still being trapped in the tower -- why didn't she just do that?
She says at one point that she did go through them while she was younger, but she always went back 'home' to the tower and songbird, because that was all she knew.
and as she grew older, she stopped being able to create new tears due to the siphon.
Just finished the game, and wow WTF at the ending. Can someone sum it up for me? I get pieces such as that Anna Dewitt is Booker's infant daughter that he sold to get out of debt, and that Anna is really Elizabeth. I'm guessing he sold Anna to Comstock (Booker from another dimension) because Comstock himself couldn't have children.
Also what the hell happened at the very end? In order to remove Comstock, Booker died and because he died all of the Elizabeth's started fading, but then how did he survive to see Anna in the crib at the end?
By the way going back to Rapture was fucking awesome, and on another note, did they ever explain who Songbird was?
Just finished the game, and wow WTF at the ending. Can someone sum it up for me? I get pieces such as that Anna Dewitt is Booker's infant daughter that he sold to get out of debt, and that Anna is really Elizabeth. I'm guessing he sold Anna to Comstock (Booker from another dimension) because Comstock himself couldn't have children.
Also what the hell happened at the very end? In order to remove Comstock, Booker died and because he died all of the Elizabeth's started fading, but then how did he survive to see Anna in the crib at the end?
By the way going back to Rapture was fucking awesome, and on another note, did they ever explain who Songbird was?
I watched the GIantbomb quicklook and they get to the part where you meet her for the first time and she opens a tear to Paris then and there. Granted she has a firetruck racing towards her so she has to close it again but what stops her from trying again?
Damn, that was one hell of an ending. After a nice, 3 essay-sized explanations the ending finally clicked in. Although I don't get the point of the bird much. Wish the developers would have provided some kind of FAQ about the story.
It's on the vox before you first meet with Elizabeth, I think!
"What makes the girl different? I suspect is has less to do with what she is, and rather more with what she is not. A small part of her remains from where she came. It would seem the universe does not like its peas mixed with its porridge. "
Edit: Beaten!
Finished it on Hard earlier. I had a few troubles (namely with Lady Comstock and the final battle) but overall it wasn't too difficult. Definitely going to hit 1999. Felt like I didn't take advantage of the vigours.
I like how they tied in the science findings/issues of the time into the plot (a la the original Bioshock). From seeing Elizabeth batter me with a copy of a book on, I kind of predicted the secret of thequantum mechanicsbut had no idea they would go as far as they did with the ending. Very Alan Moore-like. Fantastic ending...Lutece "Twins" with their experiments etc
...but I can't seem to work out where. I can't find a satisfying explanation as to why, no matter how hard I rack my brains. Is this mentioned in a Voxaphone I missed or...?Elizabeth got her powers
OK reading that graph still has me confused. Basically Elizabeth figured out that no matter what Booker did, they would still be in an infinite loop with infinite Columbias, so in order to stop the loop she had Booker drowned, thus removing all realities but Booker's own? (hence the after the credits scene where because Comstock wasn't involved, Booker still had his daughter)
Welp, so much for trying out Minerva's Den. Finally downloaded Bioshock 2 and GFWL just to find out it doesn't have controller support. WTF.
She was born in one realities but lived in another and she is split physically in both(pinky) so her "link" allows her to be connected to both and see the tears.
Yup.
Uh. I like the "She is a time-space god" theory better. So dead skin cells in one universe make you a space time god? Do all the other characters that travel around through tears become gods to because hair foicles and skins cells are left behind?
Welp, so much for trying out Minerva's Den. Finally downloaded Bioshock 2 and GFWL just to find out it doesn't have controller support. WTF.
Basically, Elizabeth saw that Booker became Comstock. To prevent this happening she murdered every single Booker that existed in every universe that survived Wounded Knee and went to the baptism (which must always happen because it's a constant). This creates a looping paradox because it means (in very basic terms) that Booker was killed by his daughter before his daughter's conception. This leads to a destruction resolution whereby every probability that leads to this paradox is removed, because logically, a paradox cannot occur. Basically, originally, at the baptism there is two choices. Elizabeth makes it so that one of these choices cannot happen because otherwise it will lead to a paradox in every single universe that Booker survived Wounded Knee. As a result, they change the variable at the baptism (Booker can accept or reject it) to a constant (Booker must reject it because otherwise it leads to a paradox).OK reading that graph still has me confused. Basically Elizabeth figured out that no matter what Booker did, they would still be in an infinite loop with infinite Columbias, so in order to stop the loop she had Booker drowned, thus removing all realities but Booker's own? (hence the after the credits scene where because Comstock wasn't involved, Booker still had his daughter)
But, as the following says:
Surely bothwould also have those abilities?Booker and Comstock
Basically, Elizabeth saw that Booker became Comstock. To prevent this happening she murdered every single Booker that existed in every universe that survived Wounded Knee and went to the baptism (which must always happen because it's a constant). This creates a looping paradox because it means (in very basic terms) that Booker was killed by his daughter before his daughter's conception. This leads to a destruction resolution whereby every probability that leads to this paradox is removed, because logically, a paradox cannot occur. Basically, originally, at the baptism there is two choices. Elizabeth makes it so that one of these choices cannot happen because otherwise it will lead to a paradox in every single universe that Booker survived Wounded Knee. As a result, they change the variable at the baptism (Booker can accept or reject it) to a constant (Booker must reject it because otherwise it leads to a paradox).
I'm planning to replay it soon, I'm very glad it came with infinite on the ps3 version. As far as atmosphere goes, I find that game better than infinite.Anybody else heading back to Bioshock 1 now? That Rapture moment have me such chills I feel like I need to head back there.
Yeah its a good point.
I'm planning to replay it soon, I'm very glad it came with infinite on the ps3 version. As far as atmosphere goes, I find that game better than infinite.
I'm planning to replay it soon, I'm very glad it came with infinite on the ps3 version. As far as atmosphere goes, I find that game better than infinite.
Did they actually say that was why her powers worked... ?Other than that they seemed to have covered every plot-hole really well considering the nature of the ending. Damn fine.
But, as the following says:
Surely bothwould also have those abilities?Booker and Comstock
Basically, Elizabeth saw that Booker became Comstock. To prevent this happening she murdered every single Booker that existed in every universe that survived Wounded Knee and went to the baptism (which must always happen because it's a constant). This creates a looping paradox because it means (in very basic terms) that Booker was killed by his daughter before his daughter's conception. This leads to a destruction resolution whereby every probability that leads to this paradox is removed, because logically, a paradox cannot occur. Basically, originally, at the baptism there is two choices. Elizabeth makes it so that one of these choices cannot happen because otherwise it will lead to a paradox in every single universe that Booker survived Wounded Knee. As a result, they change the variable at the baptism (Booker can accept or reject it) to a constant (Booker must reject it because otherwise it leads to a paradox).
Edit: Yeah, your second post is correct. Anna is never sold to the Luteces and never becomes Elizabeth. Instead of this, Booker simply lives with Anna (although that doesn't necessarily mean they live happily). This is only my interpretation though.
maybe he learned that you don't just sell your daughter. Get a job and work your ass off to pay it off.Let's say one of the outcomes (based on the epilogue) is that Booker is able to keep Anna however wouldn't he still have a debt to pay off?
Another thing:
If there are so many realities, why are they all so similar?
Let's say one of the outcomes (based on the epilogue) is that Booker is able to keep Anna however wouldn't he still have a debt to pay off?
They aren't there are billions of trillions of infinites (an infinite set of infinite sets of infinite sets of infinite sets of etc.). Every single moment that ever exists spawns another infinite number of infinite sets. The scale of the number of potential universes cannot be grasped. For the purpose of the story though, we're only concerned with sets where the exact same thing occurred with the exception of certain events because it is this specific timeline (one out of infinite infinites) that changes the baptism variable to a constant (although again, that's my interpretation).Another thing:
If there are so many realities, why are they all so similar?
An assumption based upon a few specific things; they were trying to smother Comstock at his 'birth' and if it was only a single Comstock they were drowning there would still exist another infinite set of Comstocks. Secondly, the male Lutece's goal was to reset the timeline (while we could play a failed version of this reset, I disagree that we do). Third, all of the Elizabeth's disappear because 'Elizabeth' no longer can exist because her existence becomes a paradox, only Anna can exist. Finally, Booker wakes up naturally at the ending on the day Anna was sold as opposed to being woken by the knocking (this assumes the first time we see the mandatory office sequence is a flashback of the day Anna was sold which I believe it is).That is a damn fine explanation but (and I may have missed this) how do we know that Elizabeth murdered all the other Bookers?
Basically, Elizabeth saw that Booker became Comstock. To prevent this happening she murdered every single Booker that existed in every universe that survived Wounded Knee and went to the baptism (which must always happen because it's a constant). This creates a looping paradox because it means (in very basic terms) that Booker was killed by his daughter before his daughter's conception. This leads to a destruction resolution whereby every probability that leads to this paradox is removed, because logically, a paradox cannot occur. Basically, originally, at the baptism there is two choices. Elizabeth makes it so that one of these choices cannot happen because otherwise it will lead to a paradox in every single universe that Booker survived Wounded Knee. As a result, they change the variable at the baptism (Booker can accept or reject it) to a constant (Booker must reject it because otherwise it leads to a paradox).
Edit: Yeah, your second post is correct. Anna is never sold to the Luteces and never becomes Elizabeth. Instead of this, Booker simply lives with Anna (although that doesn't necessarily mean they live happily). This is only my interpretation though.
The question is how does he owe Comstock a debt, if he is Comstock from a parallel reality...?
They aren't there are billions of trillions of infinites (an infinite set of infinite sets of infinite sets of infinite sets of etc.). Every single moment that ever exists spawns another infinite number of infinite sets. The scale of the number of potential universes cannot be grasped.
The question is how does he owe Comstock a debt, if he is Comstock from a parallel reality...?
The question is how does he owe Comstock a debt, if he is Comstock from a parallel reality...?
The question is how does he owe Comstock a debt, if he is Comstock from a parallel reality...?
The debt isn't owned to Comstock, it's debt accrued from degenerate gambling. I assume that in the "Booker is a degenerate alcoholic gambler" universe, he still has debt but doesn't end up selling Annah to pay it off.
Well maybe it wasn't Comstock who he was in debt for but instead Comstock or the Lutece offered to clear up the debt he might of been in.
Why does everyone assume the debt is to Comstock? The debt is to Joe Blow, the street bookie living in New York somewhere. Comstock pays off Booker's debts when he gets the child.
So why does Boy Lettuce say that his debt to Comstock has been paid...?
ALSO...how (and in what way) was Booker in debt to an alternate version of himself...?
Another thing:
If there are so many realities, why are they all so similar?
So why does Boy Lettuce say that his debt to Comstock has been paid...?