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Star Trek: Discovery |OT| To Boldly Stream Where No One Has Streamed Before
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Yoshi
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I know, but at this point of time it was not established the creature is sentient, in fact Saru himself was pushing this aside. So I doubt this is a matter of telepathy. In fact, his valuation of Micheal before as dangerous was for all we know unlikely to be based on her thoughts.
For Saru it seems more like a passive ability, maybe like a background scan of potentially hostile or chaotic brain waves. If that were so I would guess that his ganglia deploying for Michael was probably based on his personal experiences and general dislike of her brain waves. Or maybe something else entirely. I think we'll hear more about it later
Succinct Verbosity
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The issue with Saru is he was clearly trying to emulate Lorca and not play to his own strengths, which lead him to carry out some questionable decisions. Saru basically strikes me as a jobsworth who is too bound to the structures of whatever captain he is serving under rather than using his own intuition, which in my view makes him currently unfit for the job. One of the main roles of the first officer is to give feedback on decisions and not just follow orders. Look at Riker and Kira (hell even Voyager) and youll see conflict between the top two over a lot of issues.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
Its not really an artificial break to prolong the season.
Theyre avoiding the holidays where people generally dont watch regularly scheduled stories.
SFX takes a couple of months per episode. They just wrapped the finale last week. This lets them maintain quality.
This actually makes it seem less reasonable that Michael would use Saru to test the threat of the Tardigrade - she already knows that Saru's threat ganglia kicked off at her being on the ship when she believes herself to not be a threat so why would she trust what they say about the creature?
Edit: Just seen that Yoshi posted something very similar
Not liking ANY of the characters after 4 episodes??
But there are so many characters lol
Discotheque
Banned
I'm liking a few of the characters. the Klingon speech from these guys is indeed painful though. I swear to god I hear T'KUVMA one more time from these mush mouthed fools.....
Annoying.
And I'm not feeling Sonequa Martin Green in this role. She just seems very flat, very one note. I dunno, maybe my judgement is a little clouded by the intense dislike I'm starting to feel for most of the cast. They're either annoying or acting like a bag of dicks. No one is happy. Everyone is dour. Best Star Trek always had lighthearted human moments and I haven't seen that yet.
Tilly is happy. But that's cancelled out by her being annoying...?
Frankie Williamson
Member
I like Stamets a lot. He's the exact amount of asshole and likable for me.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
I would like to know the deal with some of the Bridge crew. It kind of sucks when all we are getting are glimpses of some cool looking species.
Martin Green is I think trying to be a human Vulcan because that's what she is. Spock was a Vulcan trying to understand his humanity. Being brought up by a Vulcan on Vulcan as a human would make me one note too I think. Her humanity is I guess part of what we're all going to see come together over time.
This is a bit of an odd one.
http://anas-tronaut.blogspot.com/2017/10/star-trek-discovery-tardigrades.html
There's no actual allegation of plagarism, but it seems like a very big coincidence otherwise.
http://anas-tronaut.blogspot.com/2017/10/star-trek-discovery-tardigrades.html
There's no actual allegation of plagarism, but it seems like a very big coincidence otherwise.
The Elite
BOSS
Using tardigrades for space travel is an unusual idea to begin with. Has anyone else ever done this or is there a standing theory that suggests tardigrades can manipulate the quantum level?
xenoncrash
Member
Whoa, if that's true STD straight up ripped off his ideas.
He definitely needs to be talking to a lawyer. That's one hell of a "coincidence" w/ the concept.
Himynameischris
Member
that's a little too similar
CoffeeExpress
Member
I've watched all the episodes so far and while like parts of it, this feels like trek-lite to me.
Also fuck Micheal, she is an asshole and deserves to be locked away in prison for constantly disobeying orders.. she is not even right when she does it, I have no sympathy for her.
Also fuck Micheal, she is an asshole and deserves to be locked away in prison for constantly disobeying orders.. she is not even right when she does it, I have no sympathy for her.
Last episode did a lot to bring him up for me. Very humanizing moments between him putting himself in danger so the tardigrade wouldn't be injured and him sharing a sweet intimate moment with his boyfriend.
ManDudeChild
Member
Uh, you might want to click that link. Its well beyond coincidence. Even Burnham is ripped off.
wow even the monster looks the same
Tardigrades are real. They are one of the hardiest of creatures known to man.
ManDudeChild
Member
The issue isnt the similarities in the tardigrade, as those exist, the problem is that its almost a shot for shot of this guys ideas. This is a new low for Star Trek, and I am factoring in Janeway and Paris as lizards, and Africa planet from TNG in that dubious list.
Yeah he was irrtating before but now we see that he has got both a moral backbone and a non-dickhead side, he comes off a lot better. I still don't love him but I'm curious to see more now.
Concept similarities happen all the time. Him trying to say his game has a black woman and Discovery stars a black woman as a comparison point is stupid though and reaching for link just because one thing seems similar.
On another topic.
Some images from NYCC regarding merchandise, including some shots of the Discovery ships that are being made.
https://trekmovie.com/2017/10/16/st...rom-eaglemoss-anovos-lootcrate-and-rock-love/
aHebrewMenagerie
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Seems like the consensus is that STD ripped off this guys game?
Yeah, the character appearance part is reaching. (thought the plot similarity he mentions may not be.)
There is no consensus here. There is more to Star Trek Discovery then the tardigrade part and even then it is different from what he noted as a possible link. If he thinks he was ripped off though he should talk with an IP lawyer and see what they say. He would have to prove someone ripped off his idea (that they didn't arrive at it on their own based on other sources (which the writers of Discovery have talked about)) though beyond a few scenes that might have some similarities. Reaching for characters similarities in what is a diverse and growing cast isn't a good starting point though.
If it were just that I'd agree, but it's hardly just that.
Logically speaking while she might not see herself as a threat to Saru she should be able to see his viewpoint in that her presence causes him alot of stress and does indeed threaten the normalcy of his existence. That would mean that there is a learned response component as well as an instinctual one which would make his ganglia even more valuable than a wild guess at something's intentions. From his race's experience as a prey species they have probably identified a variety of signals of hostile or merely unwelcome intentions.
Nah. Think about it. When you have a certain number of people in creative roles in a society there's bound to be a little overlap.
Even if there is some similarity in the galaxy travelling tardigrade, the rest is grasping at straws. In Discovery the tardigrade is only the navigator too, they're able to jump without it. There's no mention of a mushroom network etc.
His black female character has red hair for one, and he thinks simply cos one of his main characters is the same race and gender that she is somehow related to Burnham. He mentions no other similarities.
He's also tried to compared a gay bearded middle eastern man with Wilson Cruz (Puerto Rican), and a character he later is imprisoned with who is a "very white blonde dude" with Anthony Rapp. Again, superficial similarities.
His black female character has red hair for one, and he thinks simply cos one of his main characters is the same race and gender that she is somehow related to Burnham. He mentions no other similarities.
He's also tried to compared a gay bearded middle eastern man with Wilson Cruz (Puerto Rican), and a character he later is imprisoned with who is a "very white blonde dude" with Anthony Rapp. Again, superficial similarities.
Yeah, no.
Tardigrades have been associated with space ever since they got sent into space and survived the vacuum
Water bears are first animal to survive space vacuum (2008)
[URL="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-does-the-tiny-waterbear-survive-in-outer-space-30891298/"]How Does the Tiny Waterbear Survive in Outer Space? (2012)[/URL]
They're not even strangers to sci-fi, Harbringer Down based their monsters on Tardigrades.
And having a black character or a gay couple are not really similarities unless they have the same personality. It's like saying that since Citizen Kane and Inception both stars humans Inception must be plagiarising.
I checked the videos, and the visuals are not as similar as they appear in the screenshots, the method in which they travel is different, and there doesn't seem to be any connections to spores.
Besides the single thing which is Tardigrades travelling in space there doesn't seem to be anything else that isn't just extremely superficially the same. And the idea of space travelling Tardigrades isn't unique enough to be able to definitely say that two different people to have thought of it.
It really is just a coincidence.
The character ones are a bit of a stretch to even be a coincidence tbh.
CloudyTuba
Member
I've been letting the past couple episodes stew in my mind for the last week while I listen to reviews/podcasts that help to organize my thoughts.
I've realized that while the plot has picked up and most of the characters are becoming likable or interesting, there is one character I continue just to not give a shit about. And unfortunately it's the main character.
Georghiou was fine for as long as she was involved. Lorca isn't likable but he's a super fascinating driving force. Saru has been enjoyable from the start. Tilly is likable if maybe a little over the top sometimes. Stamets started a little rocky but he's improved.
Burnham is argumentative not just with enemies but also with friends, she's constantly dramatic with every sentence she speaks, consistently disregards everyone around her because she believes her judgement is factually superior, she uses people and her ego is through the roof.
I'm starting to lose interest in any redemption arc for her, if she fails she deserves it and she'll get no tears from me. I'd rather be following Saru around. I have more empathy for him than anyone else because Burnham keeps following him around starfleet. Shit must be frustrating.
I've realized that while the plot has picked up and most of the characters are becoming likable or interesting, there is one character I continue just to not give a shit about. And unfortunately it's the main character.
Georghiou was fine for as long as she was involved. Lorca isn't likable but he's a super fascinating driving force. Saru has been enjoyable from the start. Tilly is likable if maybe a little over the top sometimes. Stamets started a little rocky but he's improved.
Burnham is argumentative not just with enemies but also with friends, she's constantly dramatic with every sentence she speaks, consistently disregards everyone around her because she believes her judgement is factually superior, she uses people and her ego is through the roof.
I'm starting to lose interest in any redemption arc for her, if she fails she deserves it and she'll get no tears from me. I'd rather be following Saru around. I have more empathy for him than anyone else because Burnham keeps following him around starfleet. Shit must be frustrating.
Himynameischris
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CloudyTuba
Member
Vulcan doesn't have to automatically mean asshole. We've seen Vulcans who obviously believe their way of life is superior, but still manage to treat others with respect. Spock was the king of subtle sass and he was likable as hell.
And besides, saying "she was raised by vulcans" may be true but doesn't make me like her any more.
I hope they start progressing her character forward a little more soon. I'm sure that's the plan but I want them to hit the gas a little. It's not much fun to keep disliking the main character.
Himynameischris
Member
I assume they are going to grow her out of the "Vulcan" personality as the show progresses, I mean it's only been 5 episodes and only 3 since the mutiny.
But remember it's only been 100 years since T'pol and the other vuclans were total dicks to humans, it took two seasons for T'pol to warm up to Archer (can't blame her either, Archer was a dick too)
I've literally never seen this before, so no.
No.
I mean, if you want, I could tell you exactly how the tardigrade travel came to be, but it has nothing to do with some dude's game.
There are millions of books, movies, tv shows, video games, etc so it's bound to happen from time to time where a story has similar elements from a story some where else. I've noticed in more recent years that the whole "plagiarism" thing has been happening more often. I feel like all of this is likely just a few coincidences and nothing more. I really doubt Star Trek Discovery ripped off someone's obscure video game. It just seems way to unlikely.
Moving on from that, I am excited for Star Trek: Discovery this week as the story continues to increasingly pick up it's pace and we now have a few new mysteries going on.
Would be a cool story if you want to share.
Moving on from that, I am excited for Star Trek: Discovery this week as the story continues to increasingly pick up it's pace and we now have a few new mysteries going on.
Would be a cool story if you want to share.