ChoklitReign
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I don't see anything wrong with this. The fact that it took this long for someone to spot it shows how subtle it is (and how pointless it was to achieve better performances).
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Star Wars Episode III gif showing Lucas 'morphing' different takes into 1
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They are asleep. But wow, George actually did more than one take?
Mashin Haters
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didn't a new hope have a crazy noticeable clipping right before luke skywalker turned on his lightsaber?
You can definitely notice the scene edit, but what can you do...it was 1977.
Gentleman Jack
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I find it's more of an indictment on Lucas's awful framing for scenes consisting mostly of dialogue. He only likes 2-3 angles MAX for such scenes and it gets boring and repetitive when he never changes it up, ever.
Yup. Didn't noticed at all and I am having a tough time noticing now. All is good.
Oh, yeah, he did this with the Sand People in ANH as well.
It's really not. A conversation between two characters in a scene is almost always cut up with different takes. It's just that it's more seamlessly concealed through actual shot-reverse-shot editing. That's not lazy. That's using the best takes available for any given moment to get the best performance out the actors as possible. This isn't called 'fixing it in post.' It's just called movie-making.
This is the exact same idea, it's just that Lucas wants those two takes without it cutting away, which is fair enough because he wants us to linger longer on Palpatine, without our gaze breaking to anything else. Perhaps the argument could be made that had Lucas been able to direct the actors better, he would have got the timing right in one, sure, but you could literally apply that to any director. Every director needs to tweak the pace, emotional peaks and troughs, the tension in editing. That's sort of what an editor is for.
This is not a symptom of the prequels being shit. This is just regular filmmaking done in a slightly novel, noticeable way.
Templar Wizard
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Yes, not exactly anything new here. Just effective use of footage to try and assemble a good scene.
For all the attention to technical detail at Lucasfilm, I'm amazed that the Han Leia Boob grope made it in, I guess when you are so concerned with the wood you cant see the trees
Crossing Eden
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Uh that's the point of doing multiple takes in the first place. Unless they royally missed the mark completely actors don't have drastically different performances in each take, that's the complete opposite of what they're supposed to do. You're trying to get the best version of a scene. Geez guys. Some are being a bit too transparent about how little they know about film editing. ._.
Bedameister
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Yes, not exactly anything new here. Just effective use of footage to try and assemble a good scene.
For all the attention to technical detail at Lucasfilm, I'm amazed that the Han Leia Boob grope made it in, I guess when you are so concerned with the wood you cant see the trees
Well, the Storm Trooper bumping his head also made it into the movie
Also from reddit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da8s9m4zEpo&t=45m39s
An editor from The Phantom Menace being not so subtle in his disdain for George Lucas making changes in edit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da8s9m4zEpo&t=45m39s
An editor from The Phantom Menace being not so subtle in his disdain for George Lucas making changes in edit.
werd
Yes, not exactly anything new here. Just effective use of footage to try and assemble a good scene.
For all the attention to technical detail at Lucasfilm, I'm amazed that the Han Leia Boob grope made it in, I guess when you are so concerned with the wood you cant see the trees
Carrie was really gorgeous back then.
Movies do this all the time, especially if they have visual effects in them (like this shot).
Good job on the compositior who comped the shot.
I always figured that was meant to be an intentional feature of his lightsaber as it happens right when he turns on the second blade.
What bothers me most here is his hood mysteriously grows out from his back.
Edit: derp it's his other arm
Warm Machine
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How long did it take for the horrible Leia Bounty Hunter composited duplicate shadow to be noticed in Return of the Jedi?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmpN_gai2yI&feature=player_detailpage#t=28
Look right of frame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmpN_gai2yI&feature=player_detailpage#t=28
Look right of frame.
I've read about and seen "making ofs" where actors are told to do the same scene in varying ways, changing their inflection and tone of their voices and even movements to see what works best.
The preview trailers for The Dark Knight has the Joker saying "Kill the Batman" in a much more serious and dramatic tone for example, but in the actual movie he says it in a nonchalant, jokingly way.
Mariah Carey
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For all the attention to technical detail at Lucasfilm, I'm amazed that the Han Leia Boob grope made it in, I guess when you are so concerned with the wood you cant see the trees
And then she looks down at his package! Lots of cold lonely nights there on the set of Star Wars I see...
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WhiteRabbitEXE
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Well, shit. I'll never be able to not see that now. Ah well, who knows when I'll rewatch Sith again anyway.
Can't believe I never noticed it before, because it's extremely noticeable now that I know it's there. I guess it's just because your focus is usually shifted towards Palpatine, so the morph isn't nearly as noticeable in the peripheral.
Can't believe I never noticed it before, because it's extremely noticeable now that I know it's there. I guess it's just because your focus is usually shifted towards Palpatine, so the morph isn't nearly as noticeable in the peripheral.
bonesmccoy
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It does, and I'm largely amenable to PT criticisms! But here folks are literally picking out the most minor of minor issues with the film and blowing it well beyond proportion. A director used a not-uncommon technique to set the scene the way he wanted. And the best part? It's a fucking great scene in RotS - maybe the best.
i remember that James Cameron once said that if you don't notice the weird stuff and mistakes on the first view and enjoy the movie, you've done your job well.
someone asked him about mistakes and stuff that could have been removed in post production in some of his past movies when he said that.
i think Lucas actually wins this one since i had to play back the gif a few times to notice and i had rewatched this movie recently. i don't think i'd have ever noticed otherwise (not like i watch these movies often. that indirectly helps him)
someone asked him about mistakes and stuff that could have been removed in post production in some of his past movies when he said that.
i think Lucas actually wins this one since i had to play back the gif a few times to notice and i had rewatched this movie recently. i don't think i'd have ever noticed otherwise (not like i watch these movies often. that indirectly helps him)
Jacksinthe
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This really isn't on the same level of offensive as taking a back shot of someone talking, seeing their jaw move from the back/side angle and having it be completely out of sync. That shit is literally everywhere.
Yes, not exactly anything new here. Just effective use of footage to try and assemble a good scene.
For all the attention to technical detail at Lucasfilm, I'm amazed that the Han Leia Boob grope made it in, I guess when you are so concerned with the wood you cant see the trees
Pretty sure Han groping is canon. Fits his character.
Anyways, the only thing I can imagine is they did 2 takes of this scene and the first time he sneezed and they take the sensible philosophy of why give a fuck and just said 'fix it in post'
VincentMatts
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I dont understand the point. He literally says nothing there. What performance?
Stare at the front of Anakin's hair.
Actors don't have to be speaking to be giving a performance...
It's obvious if you look at his hair.
Lol... I noticed that as a child. I was like.... "but...why?"
Lol, this is a perfect "but . . . why?" moment.
Ryouji Gunblade
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That face is almost as weird as the infamous Han Solo edit.
Think of the old Micheal Jackson music video where people morph into different people, only this is the same person being morphed into the same person.
I think it's the fact that the blade is one solid line (that maybe doesn't change size with perspective properly?) throwing people offYou can see how he kinda moves it in a way that it makes it seem it grows but it doesnt, just changes perspective of the lightsaber a little.
Unless this was sarcasm
DragonSworne
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It's easier to tell if you isolate parts of his face. The eyes are more difficult to tell, but the mouth is obvious:
Dude, his nose elongates. His face stretches out like he is turning into a shark.
You don't need to do some weird image crop thing to see it.
The Deadpool trailers have been showing tons of completely different takes for a few scenes too
Stealthy Giant
Banned
David Fincher does shit like this. He'll use Ben Afflecks best take and merge it with Rosamund Pike's best.
Sapiens
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Can you believe Lucas sat down and wrote this shitty morphing algorithm (probably in Java and not a real programming language like C/C++) and then had the nerve to actually use it?
This guy is an evil tyrant and this is the best case for having him imprisoned.
I also just wanted to say that my life is purposeless.
This guy is an evil tyrant and this is the best case for having him imprisoned.
I also just wanted to say that my life is purposeless.
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