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Steam Greenlight: 1000 games and counting, more Greenlit every few weeks
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benjipwns
Banned
Anyone who's been on SteamGifts can tell people won't understand these things. The number of people who create giveaways on that thinking it automatically gives the game away free to people (without anyone having to actually buy it) is amusing.
Russians are over-represented in doing that on there as well.
More reasons to impeach Obama really.
Sorry, I did not see your question. Well we contacted Steam some time ago, and they suggested that we submitted our content on Greenlight when it was released. That because our game fited well the profile of game (indie) they wanted to see on Greenlight. But I'm not aware of everything.
However we were quite pleased to be on Greenlight, because we are not the kind of game that will have huge advertising etc... we thought it was a good way to meet directly people, exchange with them and make our game more known before its release. (if we are selected of course)
I had a chance to play Rekoil at E3 - i had alot of fun with it.
it gets my vote
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92945422
it gets my vote
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92945422
Upvoted
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
The youtube system needs to change it only benefit trolls.
Also as someone said, change the down vote button to "dont show me this game again". There are game that I dont want to see, but If they really have a following I dont want to fuck with their upvotes.
The down vote button is just terrible, worst thing in all greenlight.
Upvoted and quoted for the next page. The game looks beautiful.
This would be really good.
Also as someone said, change the down vote button to "dont show me this game again". There are game that I dont want to see, but If they really have a following I dont want to fuck with their upvotes.
The down vote button is just terrible, worst thing in all greenlight.
Hey guys! I saw some of you listed our games in the games the voted for. Thanks a lot!
But we are kind of lost in the flow of all the new games and already late compared to the the most liked games. So if you allow me here is the link of our Greenlight page. Thanks for visiting.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92925091&searchtext=
Upvoted and quoted for the next page. The game looks beautiful.
This would be really good.
I don't see what's so bad about it. Does it belong on Steam? Upvoted. Does it not belong on Steam? Downvoted. Is it somewhere in the middle or too early to tell? Nothing. Makes sense to me, not trying to crush anyone's dreams here or anything.
Metacritic and all, but it's the "vanilla" version they released one year before the "extended" edition:
Only review I've found about the extended version: here
Edit: and it's only ten bucks on Gamersgate
well in the description it seemed like steam didn't even know exactly how they wanted to use their voting system.
better to make suggestions before 4chan gets their hands on it IMO
steam said:
~ via http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/about/?appid=765§ion=faq
if you don't want to see the game again you can't choose the nothing though... that's the issue the other person was talking about. There were a number of games that I wasn't interested in that I ended up down voting even though I didn't think they were so terrible that they shouldn't be on steam just because I didn't feel they deserved an up vote quite yet and I didn't want to see them again while I was browsing.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
So you mean its horrible and probably not really a game. Flag it. If im not interested in a game, but its a real game and some people may apreciate it, im not going to down vote it to fuck with them, but im not going to upvote it becuase its also not my type.
Basicaly what Valve wants right now is force people to downvote or upvote to take that game from their cluttered viewing list. A system than only benefits trolls and mediocre games, and does not really give a chance to VERY good games of untypical genres.
Downvote button right now is, "I dont want to see this game in my list again becuase im not really interested" but taking down points to what can be a totally legitimate game.
Ive seen already a handfull of trolls using the downbutton because the game is not their thing, or hate the type of game, but the game being totally professional and looking really amazing.
Agreed, that along with the constant shuffling of games as you browse makes Greenlight pretty frustrating to wade through in it's current state. A 'Hide' option that doesn't affect rating should be there as well. I personally wouldn't use that feature instead of downvoting if a 'no thanks' response is appropriate, though.
Steam is not a place for every game on the internet to show up so long as it's not a scam, it's a cultivated storefront with standards. I'll continue using Greenlight to highlight the titles I feel belong in that environment and providing constructive criticism for the ones that don't in their current state. If it's something I'm completely uninterested in (say, Slender Man games) I just ignore those, and hope the folks that do care act accordingly as a whole.
I wouldn't be surprised if in general the down vote button was considered skip button by steam and they only pay attention to the up votes.
I mean logic dictates that if a game gets 50k up votes it will likely sell decently, and that would remain true even if that same game had 200k down votes. There is pretty much no way that you will lose customers just because you allow a game some people aren't interested in to be put on steam, meanwhile you would lose potential sales if a game was catching the interest of people, but others just weren't interested so you didn't publish it. (obviously it would require enough interest to be worth having on your store from the start but that is what the whole voting up is for
)Now steam does need to avoid flooding their store with to much stuff, but that can easily be done by limiting how many games you can put up from greenlight in a week. I mean you could easily put up one a day and not have any issues with properly promoting them.
It will be fun to see how greenlight grows and evolves though.
Dr Stabbingworth
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if it's like an elevator close door button that doesn't work. It just makes you feel good to press it, but does nothing, other than the game disappears from your list.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
I hope thats what really is, and that Valve explains it at the front page if thats the case as soon as they can. If thats the case, it will be good for troll attempts, but right now its frustating people like me that dont really want to fuck with games im not interested but are not bad.
Hey hey hey, thats useful in my elevator lol
Hmmm there seems to be a lot of survival horrors, no doubt due to the success of Amnesia, but I tire of looking at them and RPG maker games. Hopefully the novelty will wear off soon and only serious submissions will fill Greenlight.
Also wouldn't mind the people putting up blatant troll entries to get their Steam account banned. That would be delicious.
Also wouldn't mind the people putting up blatant troll entries to get their Steam account banned. That would be delicious.
Don't know the guy or anything, but this game looks mighty impressive:
Castle in the Darkness
(Might have been mentioned in the thread already, just started on it.)
Castle in the Darkness
(Might have been mentioned in the thread already, just started on it.)
I'm very happy for you if you have ever found a game with a 50 or below metacritic score fun.
i liked shaq fu
Spent all night going through all the games.
484 down voted
54 in favorites, probably all being up voted.
I don't understand the complaints about down voting. Will there be some trolls yep, that doesn't mean the system doesn't work as intended. If I down vote something, either I'm not interested in it, or actually don't want it showing up on Steam. Either way, I don't want those clogging up the service and taking potential sales away from other products, by wasting daily or other sales on them. If down voting was removed, i wouldn't bother voting at all.
On another note, I'm starting to think Russians shouldn't be able to submit games unless verified developers by Valve, lots of spam from them I, and I'm sure others have reported.
484 down voted
54 in favorites, probably all being up voted.
I don't understand the complaints about down voting. Will there be some trolls yep, that doesn't mean the system doesn't work as intended. If I down vote something, either I'm not interested in it, or actually don't want it showing up on Steam. Either way, I don't want those clogging up the service and taking potential sales away from other products, by wasting daily or other sales on them. If down voting was removed, i wouldn't bother voting at all.
On another note, I'm starting to think Russians shouldn't be able to submit games unless verified developers by Valve, lots of spam from them I, and I'm sure others have reported.
Messofanego
Banned
Wait, what are the Russians doing? lol
Haunted
Member
As someone on the Steam forums said:
"The biggest issue here is trying to know if the uploader is the real author. Famous games are being added non-stop by players of the games, who think this system is just a public wishlist."
Seen Mass Effect, Battlefield, Most Wanted and many other EA games just submitted there. Also Spelunky and other games clearly not made by the original author.
People are suggesting a small fee ($10 - $100) to submit a game to Greenlight in order to deter the most obvious trolls. Not sure what I think about that.
"The biggest issue here is trying to know if the uploader is the real author. Famous games are being added non-stop by players of the games, who think this system is just a public wishlist."
Seen Mass Effect, Battlefield, Most Wanted and many other EA games just submitted there. Also Spelunky and other games clearly not made by the original author.
People are suggesting a small fee ($10 - $100) to submit a game to Greenlight in order to deter the most obvious trolls. Not sure what I think about that.
Valve could put the money into a pool, and have the highest rated indie that month get it. Or something. Fee should be low though.
Hellsing321
Member
You can always change your vote later if they start showing things on the page that look promising.
I think temp-banning trolls for a few weeks from accessing Steam community is enough.
Seriously. I don't know if the issue is that Russian are somehow more dense on average than the typical Steam audience, or if there isn't a Russian language version of the Green Light page.
As it is, I wish I had a script that would auto-downvote on:
- Russian language found in the description
- wall of text with no newlines in the description
- no trailer
- mention of "iOS" anywhere in the description
- submitting party has a brony avatar
- submitting party is using a free, non-Premium Steam account
- submitting party has profile disabled
I tentatively think this might be a good idea. But with the additional stipulations that if the game is accepted or the author voluntarily pulls the game, then the submission fee is refunded. If the game is removed due to violating any of the terms, the fee is forfeit.
Yup, the russian thingie is getting out of hand (I would love been able to undestand the text in some of the submissions, I'm sure it must be hilarious at times)
Haunted
Member
I like this, except that it should be forfeit when the game is pulled by the author as well.
I don't think a small fee would be too much to ask from a developer who's serious about getting his game on steam. Really, just 10 Euros or so.
Hey, that's not really fair. There might quite a few iOS ports that doesn't really belong on PC, but there are plenty that do, and for any indie dev that has failed getting onto steam, releasing the game on iOS or Android is pretty much the only way to get some money, and most the review quotes will likely be from the iOS version.
This system needs some refinement.
JasoNsider
Member
That's what I'm wondering about, too! Our game (Marvin's Mittens) has some portion of down-votes that surprise me. I can see it because I'm the author, I suppose. On a place like youtube, down votes of even a 25% magnitude are reserved for when something is truly rotten, or if there's a general negative backlash towards a movement. One good example is the reveal trailer for Burnout:Crash.
I've said it a couple times in this thread, but seeing the GAF member projects is so awesome. I've been working on games both in studios and at home all while participating on GAF to keep spirits high. When something like this Greenlight launches and you get to see your work next to people you've talked to or worked next to for so long, it feelsgoodman.gif.
Hope this is a legit submission by the author:
Unepic is not, unfortunately. The developer decided to add multiplayer first.
Edit: seems it could be mistaken.
Haunted
Member
Yeah, redirects to the FAQ right now.
I wouldn't down vote every iso port, but would the majority, not all of them are bad. I will, if I find out they are, down vote every flash game put up. It's difficult to hit the up vote on a iSO port when the video they post shows people controlling the game with an Ipad heh.
As for to many to rate yea... I feel sorry for the people not starting to rate immediately. The number of games to rate is gonna get out of hand pretty quick.
As for to many to rate yea... I feel sorry for the people not starting to rate immediately. The number of games to rate is gonna get out of hand pretty quick.
We could make a NeoGAF list on greenlight.
Lets hope they are updating the interface.
This is a good idea.
Down for me too ... but linking to game pages still works .. like this Super Mario World trolling
I guess it's more of a personal bias than a "universal truth" regarding quality. I've seen some very polished looking iOS port submissions. It's just the overall artstyle (oversized player avatars and HUD elements), along with the controls and simplistic gameplay that tend to predominate in games designed first and foremost for the iOS platform that I'm not fond of.