Rentahamster
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I thought it was cute. Whatever.
again THIS IS NOT ABOUT "FAT PEOPLE that don't wanna be reminded of how little they work out" - neither is it about people with a genetic predisposition to weight gain / loss.
This is about calorie counts being a trigger to people suffering from Anorexia - a widespread and severe mental disorder. Something that roughly 1-2% (depending on sources) of women and roughly .5% of men suffer at any point in their lives. Many of them - much like alcoholism - never fully recovering and always having a disturbed relationship to food, calories, their bodies and nutrition.
It's the third most common chronic disease among young people, after asthma and type 1 diabetes.
Anorexia has a mortality rate of up to 4%. (and that's with treatment. Without it's up to 20%)
I really do wonder how we balance these things. With 40% of the adult population being obese, at that point you really do have to just get shit in front of people's faces. Show them what they should be doing and try and coerce them into doing it. That's not even mentioning it's really better for environment and our cities overall to get people walking rather than driving every mile or so.
How do you balance a solution that needs to be very pushy to even work with those that do have legitimate problems on the other end of the spectrum and really do get triggered by those sorts of things?
It was this tweet that started the blowback.
https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/920076957735440384
I honestly don't see the problem. I just see it as interesting data.
If its 1000 steps per block lol
How do those people cope with buying literally any food which has a calorie count included by law on the packaging?
I've never counted steps so I don't have a feeling for how far that is, but maybe it's more than the blocks I'm imaging. Like, four Manhattan blocks are more than the blocks here, but still.
Maybe: Lindsay
@lindsayism
Replying to @TaylorLorenz @_eleanorina and @googlemaps
Not to mention the fact that all the latest studies show exercise does not cause weight loss
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For fucks sake. People will literally complain about anything.
There is no solution to force people to lose weight. You have to help prevent them from gaining the weight in the first place.
Right, and I think being proactive means getting information in front of people about the activities they choose to do throughout the day. This is exactly that. Tons of people choose the easy routes. They drive a mile when they could walk. They take an elevator when they could take some stairs. Being active throughout the day helps. Taking away that push isn't a good idea, I think. Preventing people from gaining weight in the first place will really require a lot of "getting in front of people's faces" in any way possible and I just wonder how you balance that now with the fact that it necessarily means getting in front of those with anorexia's face also. It's a hard thing to balance.
Tell that to people with eating disorders. I have a co-worker whose daughter had to be hospitalized because she was exercising herself to death to look a certain way. Stick thin and still thought she was fat. This kind of thing can be dangerous and enabling for people with real problems.
It can also enable people who are eating themselves to death to do better. Including people with eating disorders (night eating). Why is the well being of one group more important than others? How is that determined?
Google has a problem with not giving people options but I still have a problem with people who have a problem with personal accountability. Should there be no more beer commercials because someone is going to be triggered? Should we not allow kids to wear swimsuits in public? Should there not be any imagery of violence? People need more help than just hiding and pretending nothing is wrong with them if benign occurrences in life are a problem for them.
It can also enable people who are eating themselves to death to do better. Including people with eating disorders (night eating). Why is the well being of one group more important than others? How is that determined?
Google has a problem with not giving people options but I still have a problem with people who have a problem with personal accountability. Should there be no more beer commercials because someone is going to be triggered? Should we not allow kids to wear swimsuits in public? Should there not be any imagery of violence? People need more help than just hiding and pretending nothing is wrong with them if benign occurrences in life are a problem for them.
Part of me wishes google would just turn every fucking icon on google maps into some form of a cupcake just to give the middle finger to all these complainers and "triggered" people. What the hell is wrong with people.
Part of me wishes google would just turn every fucking icon on google maps into some form of a cupcake just to give the middle finger to all these complainers and "triggered" people. What the hell is wrong with people.
Part of me wishes google would just turn every fucking icon on google maps into some form of a cupcake just to give the middle finger to all these complainers and "triggered" people. What the hell is wrong with people.
Yeah, that woman is unhinged. When people make fun of fragile snowflakes, this is a perfect example (and not, say, someone offended at sexist or racist slurs).I read all the tweets, she was being crazy
But there is nothing valid about her concerns.Again so what. She's some person on twitter who worded her valid concerns aggressively.
I've given an answer to this question over and over again - in case you really don't understand the difference and aren't just wilfully ignoring the point:
Well, really badly. But it's a necessary evil.
To an anorexic person buying and consuming food can already be an incredibly distressing task. Which is why many of them would prefer for their navigation app not to bring up the issue of nutrition all of a sudden. Google Maps, for the last 10 years, has never tried to be a "health" app. Trust me, if this was a mandatory feature, there'd be people switching to the Inferior Apple maps just to avoid these kinds of triggers.
If i go to a restaurant or a grocery store, i know what i've signed up for. Just like when i buy a fitbit or any other activity tracker.
They could have teased this (very useful) feature in a splash screen, like so many apps do, and have the user decide whether or not they want to actually use it. Google's introduction, but also the removal, was rather badly handled. I'm sure they'll bring it back and make it an opt-in. Why wouldn't they.
What a dumb thing to get upset over. Jesus
Yeah, that woman is unhinged. When people make fun of fragile snowflakes, this is a perfect example (and not, say, someone offended at sexist or racist slurs).
But there is nothing valid about her concerns.
What a dumb thing to get upset over. Jesus
Yeah, that woman is unhinged. When people make fun of fragile snowflakes, this is a perfect example (and not, say, someone offended at sexist or racist slurs).
But there is nothing valid about her concerns.
This is so freaking ridiculous. The US has a huge obesity problem, please stop with the fat shaming BS. It's a huge health issue that's actually treatable by watching what you eat and exercise... Being obsessed with model thinness is unhealthy for society but not actually trying to watch what you eat and living a generally healthy lifestyle.
Yeah those snowflakes with debilitating eating disorders! Fuck them amirite????
Yes, fuck them. You shouldn't inhibit others' ability to get useful health information because a few people are too sensitive to seeing the benefits of exercise.
Yes, fuck them. You shouldn't inhibit others' ability to get useful health information because a few people are too sensitive to seeing the benefits of exercise.
It should be an option, but forcing is better never having a choice to see it at all.
Personally, I don't think this is useful health information because it's highly subjective and presumptive - not to mention ableist as hell
Personally, I don't think this is useful health information because it's highly subjective and presumptive - not to mention ableist as hell
It's the third most common chronic disease among young people, after asthma and type 1 diabetes.
More than 29 million Americans are living with diabetes, and 86 million are living with prediabetes, a serious health condition that increases a persons risk of type 2 diabetes and other chronic diseases.
Type 2 diabetes accounts for about 90% to 95% of all diagnosed cases of diabetes, and type 1 diabetes accounts for about 5%. The health and economic costs for both are enormous:
Diabetes was the seventh leading cause of death in the United States in 2013 (and may be underreported).
Diabetes is the leading cause of kidney failure, lower-limb amputations, and adult-onset blindness.
More than 20% of health care spending is for people with diagnosed diabetes.
first, 'among young people'? talk about picking and choosing your data
but you mentioned diabetes
sounds like a public health crisis that needs to be addressed!!!!
Did you know there is a large group of people with diabetes that have an ED called diabulimia? Again, who said this stuff shouldn't be addressed? Do people think the obesity crisis is just going to be fixed by throwing apps at it and saying hey do more? I mean we already have lots of apps that do this and the problem is still rising. It starts at home, with the young, the parents, the teachers, the doctors, schools. Technology makes our lives easier but we should never forget the human element.
How is it subjective? How is it ableist?!
Did you know there is a large group of people with diabetes that have an ED called diabulimia? Again, who said this stuff shouldn't be addressed? Do people think the obesity crisis is just going to be fixed by throwing apps at it and saying hey do more? I mean we already have lots of apps that do this and the problem is still rising. It starts at home, with the young, the parents, the teachers, the doctors, schools. Technology makes our lives easier but we should never forget the human element.
I don't think anyone is saying that, but I do think there's merit to normalizing health conscious thinking. You say there are tons of apps for this, and yes, that's true, but there were also resources to get nutrition information before they were on labels and restaurant menus.
This is more about reducing the barrier to finding this out by piggybacking on the ubiquity of existing services. Think how many more people use Google Maps vs MapMyRun or Run Keeper despite them all being apps.
Granted this is a separate discussion from this thread, which is dealing with the potential negatives of this particular info, but still
kinda sounds like youre grasping at straws but maybe i'm misreading
also you neglected to mention that diabulimia is associated with type 1 diabetes, and you know i'd kinda like to focus on the issue that affects 1 in 3 americans? maybe?
But at the same time, why are people so against this being an option instead of a forced decision?
Yeah those snowflakes with debilitating eating disorders! Fuck them amirite????
I know. These are bogus concerns. Anyone who legit gets mad at cupcake iconography is beyond fragile.You couldn't turn it off and the cup cake presentation were her main concerns...
Nobody is against it! But right now it is a binary yes/no. It was there, with no option, and now it is gone, with no option. You're forcing people to take a choice on something that hasn't actually happened yet.