Tye The Czar
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Fire Emblem will finally be an RPG-RTS.
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Switch to allow for "completely different" Fire Emblem, breathe life into characters
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Lord of Ostia
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Doubtful, why change the style of gameplay when they've nearly perfected the SRPG?
Lunarwhale
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hey intsys. you know how you made echoes and it wasn't creepy, character relations felt human (even if a little shallow at times), designs were sensible, and the art style was classy?
please just do that again
please just do that again
I'd rather them sticking to the much superior gameplay built between Awakening and (especially) Fates and the better, more suited to 3D models artstyle from those games, but to each their own.
All y'all folks suggesting the next FE be anything other than an SRPG make me sad. Play something else! There aren't many good SRPG franchises around as it is, we can't afford to lose one!
It has, more or less. In Path of Radiance, Tanith has Reinforce, which calls in NPC Pegasus Knights; and in Sacred Stones, the Summoner class can summon player-controlled phantoms. And the Replicate ability in Fates, while quite different, is also comparable.
It has, more or less. In Path of Radiance, Tanith has Reinforce, which calls in NPC Pegasus Knights; and in Sacred Stones, the Summoner class can summon player-controlled phantoms. And the Replicate ability in Fates, while quite different, is also comparable.
Uh...
I really want this game on the switch.
Mathematics
Neo Member
I hope they work on the story scenarios. Playing SoV after Fates, the story scenes are just leagues better. Fates scenes were like 5 slides of "you're a traitor. Now you die"
RoboGeorgeForeman
Banned
Advance Wars had waifus too and honestly if it had more otaku appeal the series may still be around.
And atleast there's still WarGroove to look forward to. https://youtu.be/2_O9Py2QK3E
Yes, please. Just a return to form would be great. Hopefully the 3DS originals turn out to be outliers and we can get something more like the GBA and Radiant games.
I haven't played 4 or 5, but I assume that the child function was done without all the creep?
wild wild rice
Member
Echoes is definitely a step in the right direction in those aspects.
Too bad it didnt sell in japan.
There's some creep. Panders a bit to incest with the story of Thracia, Celice/Julia (reminiscent of Eirika/Ephraim in ways) , the dark incest that is the core of the evil plot. Also got a little girl who hits on you.
But...it also is actually part of the narrative story. The kids actually form their own team. You actually have a tragedy which sets up the changing of the generations and gives the setting for 5. Etc.
Generations are so much better in 4. No time travel with monster units that are outside the support grid. No magic pregnancy/growing up castle. Actual time passes. People die. Etc.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
I really hope they keep the artist from Echoes and we get full voice acting again. FE Switch could be the best FE game if they mix the gameplay from Conquest with the production values of Echoes. Intelligent Systems pls
Why would you want to go back to the most generic supports in FE history?!
Angry Chair
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I don't know what this means so it scares me. Hopefully less single-trope characters and waifu shite but it could easily mean the opposite.
Vanguard771
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I wouldn't mind a grief mechanic. If someone dies, the general party atmosphere should drop and affect performance on the battlefield.
NightwingRebirth
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The Echoes style presentation and Fates style gameplay aren't somehow mutually exclusive in the future of FE. Like, why would IS need to choose one or the other when they could mix or match or do something completely different? Kinda irrelevant to that original post that was just asking for more Echoes elements and presentation, tbh.
Also, I disagree about the models, but I may just be wrong. Idk, Echoes' models looked about as accurate as Fates' models, but Echoes has better battle animations, imo.
BRSxIgnition
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That would just give people even more reason to reset or rewind when that happens.
Psychoward
Banned
Haha, this was my exact thought.
veloxStrix
Banned
Hopefully by "breath life into characters" they mean more excellent Vita features like the face rubbing mini game.
I can't say I exactly trust people who worked on Fates to "breathe life into characters" when Fates was chock full of one dimensional characters defined by a singular trait.
I'd prefer they cut down on the cast and use that to really flesh each character out better. Getting rid of the avatar would also help with this I think, as most characters are heads over heels for the avatar right when they meet and that doesn't really help their development.
I'd prefer they cut down on the cast and use that to really flesh each character out better. Getting rid of the avatar would also help with this I think, as most characters are heads over heels for the avatar right when they meet and that doesn't really help their development.
Hatty
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Don't even joke about that, I feel sick just from the thought
Blood Diamonds
Banned
They'll just be removed by NOA anyway
thankfully
veloxStrix
Banned
I think there is a common misconception that one-dimensional, flat characters are objectively bad. While I think I understand what you are saying and completely agree with your great point on the avatar tending to drain everyone's character away from them, it's important to note that many of the best characters in literature and film are "one-dimensional" and defined by a singular trait. That one trait, unfortunately, usually happens to be an unswerving loyalty to the avatar in FE games. :/
Add it in with microtransactions for each character.
TheMoon
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lwilliams3
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Heh. That was the exact thing I was going to say.
Probably that's more due to it being a remake of 25 year old game.
DecoReturns
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Zelgius...Prequel...that sounds good right...?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I'd rather see a Priam sequel to be honest.
The unreleased Wii game looks good too
It'd be a mess - he'd be forced out halfway through and hospitalised due to stress, while additional writers are rushed in to retrofit the original narrative template into a series of contrivances that threatens to collapse at any moment. Given the demands a mainline Fire Emblem game needs to fill, it'd probably be for the best if they just continued on the path they were already on story-wise, primarily using it to set up a varied and marketable cast, and hopefully well-designed gameplay systems.
Nah, if Nintendo let him do his thing he'd be fine. Crimson Shroud has a better story than any Fire Emblem, come at me bro's.
I'd be fine if they put out a fire emblem of pure battle maps, no story what so ever. Don't make me sit through that nonsense.
Fire emblems characters don't need more technology, they need better writing.
They are on the right path with the gameplay though, Fates was really good in that regards.
With a cast as big as FE your bound to find some one dimensional characters. That's fine. It's how they talk, how they relate to the plot ect. that matters. And that's been severely lacking.
They are on the right path with the gameplay though, Fates was really good in that regards.
With a cast as big as FE your bound to find some one dimensional characters. That's fine. It's how they talk, how they relate to the plot ect. that matters. And that's been severely lacking.
TheMoon
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I didn't realize I wanted this until you said it. :O
bagandscalpel
Member
Wonder what the Tearring Saga guy is doing?
Maybe they'll let him back to Fire Emblem?
Maybe they'll let him back to Fire Emblem?
TheMoon
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All you people saying similar stuff like this really should play Echoes...
One of the big things that's been making Fire Emblem succeeding lately is its ambition. Awakening was meant to send out the series in a blaze of glory with great artwork, cool mechanics such as an avatar and pair-up, beautiful CG scenes, tons of content in-game and as DLC, and plenty of polish that made it accessible. We know how that ended up. Fates raised the stakes with 3 routes meant to cater to a wide spectrum of players, a ton more polish and raised production values, and generally not resting on their laurels with features such as live 2D and base building.
Now we've come to Shadows of Valentia, and while it's obviously a cheaper game there's still plenty of ambition to be found. Full voice acting, much better animations, cool dungeon crawling (that doesn't get interesting until endgame, but still), and more polish that makes it feel like lots of love went into it.
IS isn't going to stop there and just make Fates HD, and that's a great thing. They want to make this an even bigger franchise. They haven't messed up yet, so I think they can manage it.
Now we've come to Shadows of Valentia, and while it's obviously a cheaper game there's still plenty of ambition to be found. Full voice acting, much better animations, cool dungeon crawling (that doesn't get interesting until endgame, but still), and more polish that makes it feel like lots of love went into it.
IS isn't going to stop there and just make Fates HD, and that's a great thing. They want to make this an even bigger franchise. They haven't messed up yet, so I think they can manage it.
I've been burned enough before...
Go read the OT then. It's a great time.
Why didn't it sell tho'. Honest question. What did JP players complain about?
I mean, I don't think the lack of "waifus" had anything to do with it necessarily, it could have been because it was a 3DS game in 2017, lack of marketing, or the fact that it was a remake.
I dunno, I feel like people are pushing the "Echoes didn't sell because waifus!" narrative without all the facts.
Nancy (?) the tutorial girl was acceptable because it was distant in the "fan service" department. When it gets to rubbing the artwork with your finger is where it crosses a line. Even pokemon felt dirty going that route.
DecoReturns
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Honestly wouldn't mind a game around the Awakening Children's life.
They constantly reference their horrible world, would be interesting. You could start the game during the assassination attempt
They constantly reference their horrible world, would be interesting. You could start the game during the assassination attempt
There is a better chance of Evillore giving you ownership of Neogaf.
Last I heard, Kaga was making a game on SRPG maker.
His departure from Nintendo and the aftermath was pretty messy, I doubt either party wants anything to do with the other.