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Is the Tales studio owned by Namco or is it locked by contract for several years?
Namco is one of the worst publishers this generation.
Namco is one of the worst publishers this generation.
thetechkid said:What?
trinest said:Besides Tales, what does Bandi/Namco really have IP wise.
Pac mantrinest said:Besides Tales, what does Bandi/Namco really have IP wise.
trinest said:Besides Tales, what does Bandi/Namco really have IP wise.
I guess theres more then I thought- but active IP wise that list trims down a bit.Rahxephon91 said:Pac man
Tekken
Soul Calibur
Gundam
Ace Combat
The Idolmaster
Ridge Racer
Xenosaga
Dead to Rights
Katamari Damacy
Klona
Time Crisis
....
I don't think Tales is their really big one.
ULTROS! said:Tekken and Soul Calibur?
Well... There's also Pacman.
The only one that's not really active is Xenosaga. All others have appeared this generation.trinest said:I guess theres more then I thought- but active IP wise that list trims down a bit.
Rahxephon91 said:The only one that's not really active is Xenosaga. All others have appeared this generation.
ULTROS! said:
I think the orginal plan was for 6 installments, but the low sales made them cut it to three. I think chances of a new one are unlikely and monilth soft has moved on to other games(Xenoblade, Soma Bringer). But I really don't know anything about the actual development of the Xeno games. I'm sure someone else could fill in the blanks. Three though, is the conclusion of the series. Though Kos-Mos(pretty much the front lady for the games) makes regular cameos in other Namco games.ULTROS! said:I heard that Xenosaga was supposed to be 6-7 episodes but decided to cut it to 3 episodes.
Crakatak187 said:Is the Tales studio owned by Namco or is it locked by contract for several years?
Namco is one of the worst publishers this generation.
Y2Kev said:So how many of you actually read the balance sheet in the OP's link?
ZealousD said:Persona sells well for what it is, but it doesn't sell tremendously better than the Tales franchise or anything.
There's really two big problems with the Tales franchise that put it in this position.
1.) Platform schizophrenia. Tales games are always either platform exclusive or timed exclusive. And yet their platform choice is always seemingly random. You never know which platform the next game will show up on. And so if you are a Tales fan, you basically have to own every single console. They need to pick a horse and stick with it.
2.) Poor overseas handling. Really don't need to explain this one.
And both of these problems can easily be fixed by a publisher that knows what the fuck its doing. But Namco sure as hell doesn't.
I always thought Tales was pretty huge in Japan, but it looks like the series is finally taking a hit even there.Rahxephon91 said:Pac man
Tekken
Soul Calibur
Gundam
Ace Combat
The Idolmaster
Ridge Racer
Xenosaga
Dead to Rights
Katamari Damacy
Klona
Time Crisis
....
I don't think Tales is their really big one.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka said:They really need to examine there current status and figure things out quick. It definitely doesn't look good if they're relying on Enslaved to be their next big IP! *eyes roll*
Yeah, Tekken 7 was already announced right? But at least it sells for them. And Ridge Racer is more like a tradition than a series. They always seem to bring one out for every major system's launch. So to me, RR doesn't really count as milking. I don't know why they do that though.ymmv said:Well, at least is IS a new IP. I was looking at the games Namco has released so far for the PS3 and 360. The only two new IPs on that list were Idolmaster and Eternal Sonata. Everything else was a sequel or part of a series.
Many of Namco's IPs are getting very stale by now. You won't get fresh gameplay and any new experiences anymore when when you get to number six or seven in a series. That won't stop Namco however. One of their new games for the 3DS was yet another Ridge Racer game. I bet that when the next console generation appears in 2012 Namco puts all their dev teams on Tekken 8, Ace Combat 7, Ridge Racer 8, Soul Calibur 5, a Katamari game and a Time Crisis game.
In my view more games like Enslaved is exactly what Namco should be doing if they want to keep selling games.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka said:I think they're getting sick of the formula.
Yeah, I guess I can see that.ZealousD said:No, it's the platform problem. Recently, their best sales for the series have been on the PSP. And yet these are spin-off titles. You have a serious problem when your spin-offs sell better than your flagship titles.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka said:The reason why I said they may be sick of the formula is because of Tales of Graces poor sales. I remember reading in another thread that Graces didn't sell well. Which is why I assumed they're getting tired of the formula because I would think the game would do well based on the large Wii user base.
It's kind of concerning since Famitsu is saying it's the best Tales game since the Abyss, which implies that Graces is better than Vesperia.ZealousD said:Large Wii user base != Large Tales fan user base
It probably would have done better as a PS3 game. Either way, I don't think the sales of a single game is enough to determine a trend.
Yup, we have at least one.TheFLYINGManga_Ka said:A lot of Japanese Tales fans probably bought a 360 just for this game. It did sell a lot at one point. And than they probably felt betrayed when they announced the PS3 version with extra content. I'm sure it pissed people off. It pissed me off.
Yeah. I saw that before.Netto-kun said:
I doubt it that it would've done better as a PS3 game. They spread their titles on too many platforms early on. It wouldn't have done well on either home console because the fan base is spread between the consoles.ZealousD said:Large Wii user base != Large Tales fan user base
It probably would have done better as a PS3 game. Either way, I don't think the sales of a single game is enough to determine a trend.
highluxury said:I smell another corporate fusion coming..
Tecmo & Koei had to merge, so did Sega & Sammy... Namco is probably next.
Namco-Bandai-Square-Enix.Shard said:Namco already did that, fused with Bandai some years back.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka said:Namco-Bandai-Square-Enix.
It'll eventually happen at the rate they're going! :lol
And soon we'll see Atlus-NIS. Seems like a good marriage. I sometimes get the two mixed up!
Its still kind of in there.bluemax said:Only thing missing is a sub plot about racism!
Oh, I did. Let me translate for those not familiar with financial terms and Japanese. It says: "Y2Kev puts ketchup on his steak".Y2Kev said:So how many of you actually read the balance sheet in the OP's link?
To be fair, most of the Team Destiny games (which don't make it over in English), are far from a remix of previous Tales games.bluemax said:Maybe all the people like me who bought Symphonia and felt that they got burned decided not to keep buying Tales games?
I skipped all the Tales games that came after Symphonia, except Vesperia, because I was so annoyed by Symphonia. I would've skipped Vesperia if not for an Amazon sale and the overwhelming positive word of mouth. Although honestly I still feel mislead. I'm not sure how many hours I've put in but I'm still waiting for it to be something more than a remix of all the previous Tales games. Only thing missing is a sub plot about racism!
Tales Studio is wholly owned by Bandai Namco since last year. The previous company housing the developer, Telenet Japan, sold off the first 60% of the developer for 700 million yen in 2003 and the remaining 34% for 668 million yen in 2006 (before going bankrupt in 2007). That seems rather little money, but its operating expenses being constant may well have been the far bigger liability. Since the developer always had been a part of a bigger parent company it doesn't have any notable assets of its own. Furthermore it doesn't act independently and as such has no own income stream, instead it develops everything for Namco Bandai Games Inc. while getting financed by its parent company. The lack of Tales games released by other publishers may well be due to this lack of independence.Crakatak187 said:Is the Tales studio owned by Namco or is it locked by contract for several years?
Rahxephon91 said:Pac man
Tekken
Soul Calibur
Gundam
Ace Combat
The Idolmaster
Ridge Racer
Xenosaga
Dead to Rights
Katamari Damacy
Klona
Time Crisis
....
I don't think Tales is their really big one.
Pureauthor said:The Tales series has been spectacularly mismanaged in almost every conceivable sense. Which is a real shame, since it's a really solid jRPG franchise.
I would, if I could understand what's it saying; I know how to read a balance sheet, or should to, but it's all gibberish aside from the numbersY2Kev said:So how many of you actually read the balance sheet in the OP's link?
This is the internet; you'd be lucky if most users even correctly read the thread title to jump to conclusions with.Y2Kev said:So how many of you actually read the balance sheet in the OP's link?
The only thing stupider than Namco's management & fiscal decisions is fans trying to argue that Namco's finances would somehow improve by them localizing more games guarenteed to bomb and lose money.Rpgmonkey said:But it seems the thread's changed from their financial condition to another thread where people take the opportunity to chastise Namco for how they've been managing the series worldwide...
It's in Japanese.Y2Kev said:So how many of you actually read the balance sheet in the OP's link?
grandjedi6 said:The only thing stupider than Namco's management & fiscal decisions is fans trying to argue that Namco's finances would somehow improve by them localizing more games guarenteed to bomb and lose money.
Hunahan said:Dead IPs
(No Current Or Foreseeable Output)
Arcade through Current
Baten Kaitos
...
- Their dead franchise list is skeletal at this point. Nothing there seems ripe for revival.
Isn't Gundam like super popular in Japan?Alucrid said:Do they even have a really big one from that list? Biggest might be Tekken or SC.
People prefer to disregard the Bandai part of Bandai Namco as if they never merged.PounchEnvy said:Isn't Gundam like super popular in Japan?